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Hopalong

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Re: Un ****ingbelievable
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2008, 05:40:47 PM »
Oy, Beth.
What a flamethrower.

It occured to me a funny thing:
Maybe it actually didn't occur to your mother to let you know, because she has her interactions with you so firmly (robotically) programmed to equal: I call up Beth and go blahblahblahblah about MYSELF.
(for whatever murky insecure selfabsorbed reasons, usual Nstuff).

Whereas with your sister, your mother may actually have acquired a more courteous and somewhat reciprocal form of dialogue (we all know Ns can fake it quite brilliantly, even to the point of convincing THEMSELVES they're actually interested in someone else)...because Your Sister Is a Doctah. Your mother probably gets such ego-satisfaction that she (herself) magically went to medical school and (herself) is a vicariously high-status person (doctor, in your mother's id)...that in her blind functioning, your sister IS "worthier" of the courtesy of reciprocity.

Whereas you...only speak 5 languages. Your mother doesn't get that, being of limited curiosity about other people/cultures herself. But because all of us have seen a doctor and know doctor-status, she totally GETS why she should be "closer" to your sister.

None of which is at all satisfying, but I'd bet you a buck that's the sort of completely unconscious process that goes on in her mind.

I truly, truly believe Nism is a form of retardation, no matter what the IQ.

I'm sorry for the hurt...

love,
Hops
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Re: Un ****ingbelievable
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 07:21:49 PM »
Thanks, Hops. You are so sweet. You know, I think you are right. I don't think she avoids me to malign me - it's just that, as you said, I don't really cross her mind - at all. And if I do, it is simply to think that she doesn't feel like doing anything obligatory. And I also, definitely, think she has a vicarious life through my sister. I think you are right as rain.
On a nice note, I had a conversation with my dad today - just him - since he is on his way to go fishing for the rest of the week. He sounds so much better and it was really nice to talk to him. He said he has a good pulminologist and she came up with some other therapy for his asthma that he can try so that it doesn't go this far next time.
(((((((((((((((((Hops))))))))))))
Love, Beth
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Re: Un ****ingbelievable
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 08:25:17 PM »
Hi Gratitude:

I'm so sorry that you have (are) experiencing this pain.  I bet most of us here can totally relate to the situation you described about not being told of your dad's condition.  It really sums up the sad reality for the non-Golden chidren in N families.  It is really hard not to take it personally or be hurt by it....but it is just another example of the N person's illness....not a reflection about you...

I think as the Ns in our lives get older, the Narcissism deepens and becomes more enmeshed.  I think by this point, it's not even about hurting the non-golden children anymore....because they become just so inconsequential to the N.....Everything is about them......The fact is in a situation like the one you described, the N simply is incapable of thinking in a reasonable way---like a normal person would (i.e., contact all family members). 

It's hard for the non-Golden hildren...especially in instances of illness or other circumstances affecting our family.....because our "normal" way of thinking kicks in.....and we expect somehow that rational thinking will take place during these times...We forget we're dealing with Ns...If anything, the N's selfishness, Me-oriented world and disinteret in others around them, become more prevalent.  It leaves us feeling a bit helpless because during these times, legally and otherwise, we're dependent on these Ns for key information....I think sometimes we have to accept it is out of our control.....Yes, you deserve to be informed, told....but you also deserved being treated differently all your life...and it never happened.   The Ns ruled.   Unfortunately, they will rule to a certain extent to the very end.  You just have to do the best you can and accept that you can only do what you can do given the circumstances. 

Reality really bites sometimes....but I hope you can step back and see it for what it is.....The narcissism prevents them from acting in a reasonable way.  I hope you can see that their neglect, their disinterest, their lack of sensitivity is all about them.....You can only do your best...and perhaps let your dad know that you would have wanted to be informed and you care about what happened, etc.

As an aside, I couldn't help but laugh out loud at the title of your post.  How perfect is that!  I challenge any child or spouse of an N to read that title and not understand exactly what you mean....!  Everytime an N pulls one of their usual tricks, that's exactly what you want to scream out loud:  "Un****ingbelievable"!  Because it is just that...

Please take special care...

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Re: Un ****ingbelievable
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2008, 08:54:17 PM »
Sun,
You are so caring and funny! Thanks for your post. I believe you are right - it's hard to understand what is beyond reason.... And I think I do start to think I have 'figured it all out,' but I do believe that is impossible. I can understand the disorder as a whole and how it affects us, but I can never truly anticipate what NM will be like at any given time. So I need to stop... and to just deal with what is...
Fortunately, I did let my dad know I was upset (they were on the phone together when I expressed my anger). He seemed happy to hear from me today and sounded well. Perhaps it is due to my prejudice, but I always think he sounds so much more relaxed when he is away from her.
I am amazed that my sister continues to defend her... Do you think that will change once my sister becomes a mother????
Love, Beth
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