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wiltay

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Re: alone, please read: Exploring Victim Mentality
« Reply #90 on: June 09, 2008, 08:43:25 PM »
Lise, the sword has to be true to cut. You are not hurting me because what you say is not true.   Telling lies is the evil.  You are NOTa liar and I never ever even implied it.  But you ARE wrong.  It is not a sin to be wrong.  It says nothing about the quality of your perceptions or your sanity to be in error.  We all have major blind spots where our pain is and that's just the way it is.   


Lise, can't you see that you are justing making my point?

It seems to me that you are allowing the evil done to you to grow in your own heart.


I'm not the one having an affair with a married woman whose husband is suicidal....


Do you mean pointing out the truth...is that evil?...you know what they say...the truth is a double edged sword...it cuts like a knife.

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #91 on: June 09, 2008, 08:50:41 PM »
Lise
 I CANNOT control Bill.  I agree with Bill's stand on Leah.I do not see Leah as the N saint. I see Leah as a loving person.I can't agree with you on Leah, Lise. I have made that clear, out of my own mouth, to you.However, *I* did NOT ask Bill in any form, shape or way to post.
 He is very sure of himself and strong about his opinions. I could NOT force him to post ,even if I wanted to.I am telling the truth. Lise, I love him with a pure love. I am not ashamed of it, at all, even if it appears "bad"
 I would like you to remove the posts and I would appreciate it.     Ami

Ami,

All you have to do is look into your heart and you would know....the truth is there, but it is not convenient for your ego and pride to see it, that is why you do not chose to see it.

All the posts that made reference are deleted, or modified.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2008, 08:52:14 PM by Gabben »

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #92 on: June 09, 2008, 08:52:13 PM »


1)   Re: Exploring Victim Mentality

2)   Re: The hijacking of a thread: Victim Mentality.... wasn't wiltay banned?

3)   Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away. 


Yesterday, on this thread, I was brought into question for editting my posts, however, now on this thread, the title has changed TWICE with the latter titles being ???? 

« Last Edit: June 09, 2008, 08:55:13 PM by LeahsRainbow »
Jun 2006 voiceless seeking

April 2008 - "The Gaslight Effect" How to Spot & Survive by Dr. Robin Stern - freedom of understanding!

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #93 on: June 09, 2008, 08:53:41 PM »
Gabben
As someone more on the outside of your posts, than the inside, I sense much anger, paranoia, the need to present yourself as always right, and very very very sensitive to others' posts.

When I read your posts, I feel so sad for you and wish your feeling of self was far better than it is.

sincerely
Izzy :P
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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #94 on: June 09, 2008, 08:54:37 PM »
Dear Lise
 I have to tell you, honestly, I have TRIED to get Bills' wit and incredible intelligence TO intervene in fights,but he would not.
 I would never hurt you and he would not ,either.
 We ,simply do not see the N Saint in Leah. That is our "crime" against you, Lise.    Ami

Thank you for deleting the posts, Lise.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2008, 09:04:35 PM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #95 on: June 09, 2008, 08:59:50 PM »
Gabben
As someone more on the outside of your posts, than the inside, I sense much anger, paranoia, the need to present yourself as always right, and very very very sensitive to others' posts.

When I read your posts, I feel so sad for you and wish your feeling of self was far better than it is.

sincerely
Izzy :P

Thanks Izzy for your concern.

Your post is a projection of your own self-hatred and anger as well as you can't figure out a way to get my attention so taking a dig at me is the only way you figure that you can get me to respond to you here on the board.

Deep down you wish I would pay more attention to you....sorry for ignoring you Izzy.

Lise

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #96 on: June 09, 2008, 09:03:05 PM »
Dear Lise
 I have to tell you, honestly, I have TRIED to get Bills' wit and incredible intelligence TO intervene in fights,but he would not.
 I would never hurt you and he would not ,either.
 We ,simply do not see the N Saint in Leah. That is our "crime" against you, Lise.    Ami

Blind....look into your hearts, not the board. Our hearts do not lie.

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #97 on: June 09, 2008, 09:05:53 PM »
Honestly, Bill could "take" Lighter with one finger,but he would not get involved. He is his own person, Lise. I am sorry you do not see it.     Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #98 on: June 09, 2008, 09:13:42 PM »
Honestly, Bill could "take" Lighter with one finger,but he would not get involved. He is his own person, Lise. I am sorry you do not see it.     Ami


I see very well.

FYI -- I did not say that Leah was an Nsaint (words in my mouth)...where on this board? Please?

All N's hide...they have a mask...it is there to fool and deceive....most people are too naive to see, and chose not to, for their own selfish reasons.


Ami -- one day you will know. Enough said by me.

Lise

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #99 on: June 09, 2008, 09:15:10 PM »
Honestly, Bill could "take" Lighter with one finger,but he would not get involved. He is his own person, Lise. I am sorry you do not see it.     Ami

Excuse me, but the only person who "takes" anyone around here is Dr. Grossman.


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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #100 on: June 09, 2008, 09:23:50 PM »
Honestly, Bill could "take" Lighter with one finger,but he would not get involved. He is his own person, Lise. I am sorry you do not see it.     Ami

Excuse me, but the only person who "takes" anyone around here is Dr. Grossman.




Ami -- Bill did not take lighter in your Aunt thread....as a matter of fact...Bill was bullied off the board...He says that he left, but I say that he left in a hurry....

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #101 on: June 09, 2008, 09:41:07 PM »
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Thanks Izzy for your concern.

Your post is a projection of your own self-hatred and anger as well as you can't figure out a way to get my attention so taking a dig at me is the only way you figure that you can get me to respond to you here on the board.

Deep down you wish I would pay more attention to you....sorry for ignoring you Izzy.

Lise

Don't you wish!

What a vain thing to say!

You are not 'reading' me at all!
Izzy
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Re: The hijacking of a thread: Victim Mentality.... wasn't wiltay banned?
« Reply #102 on: June 09, 2008, 09:48:07 PM »
The following is an experiment with regard to sharing observations,

 that aren't flattering,

and seeing what response it nets me on the board.

Since this is still my thread.... I hope it's regarded with some consideration.

I put forth these observations, without judgment, but as simple statements and observations.... as we've been discussing on this thread, I believe.

I'm curiouse how any responses receieved will be viewed by myself, and the board.  In particular, Carolyn bc she's been thinking deeply about the subject and helping me gain clarity in the matter.

I welcome every opinion and look forward to reading them all.

Lighter





QUOTE FROM GABBEN TO AMI:

Ami,

What happened is that you saw Carolyn and +(lighter) going a bit against Leah on this thread.

So then, in your fear, that I, because of my friendship with Carolyn and my dislike of Leah's behavior on this board was going to turn to lighter and turn on you, you had Bill step in; I can only assume, but my gut tells me that you asked him to step in to look and defend Leah to support your fears.

In the past I have had conflict with Leah, you, Ami have stayed neutral as well as Bill has never said anything....until now, interesting.

This conflict today was a direct result of your misdirected fear and ambition to win the conflict with lighter, Ami...an attempt to win the situation, nothing less nothing more.
The sad fact is that no one wins....we are still here with our voices.


If you would like me to delete my posts about your relationship to Bill, I will. It was not done out of spite, but to illuminate the truth, as I see it...and I have had much practise now, I feel confident that I do see it clearly. If you both wanted to see it, you could...it is all there---------------the truth.
Lise



This is exactly the behavior I'm referring to when I observe ami manipulating other board members.

She's had a string of champions in the past.... all those relationships seem to have similar fallouts ie, Janet and that one that kept coming back over and over.... forget her name.

Little Jo opted out of the fray....  Smart girl, but not before she told Ami she refused to join in.  

Why would she tell Ami she wasn't joining in?  I wonder if Ami asked her to?  

I'm providing this quote, from ami,  that would seem to add  weight to my observation that Ami manipulates other posters into confrontations with other posters:

"Dear Lise
I have to tell you, honestly, I have TRIED to get Bills' wit and incredible intelligence TO intervene in fights,but he would not.
 Ami




Dr. G, I'm not attached to the outcome of this but.... it would be nice if I the NC rule I requested, with Ami and Gabben, could be honored.


Lighter

ps... it looks like changings run away like her hairs on fire :( :(

I wish I hadn't participated in the debacle, but I did.

 I regret that and have to take responsibility for it.  

When I'm done with this experiment....

feeling understood or not....

I choose to withdrawl (with love) from interacting with boardmembers that don't lift me up or add to my serenity.









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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #103 on: June 09, 2008, 09:50:18 PM »
Lighter,

I think that this thread is about to be locked...

just in case you didn't know.

Carolyn

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Re: One toadie come out'n play, one toadie go away.
« Reply #104 on: June 09, 2008, 09:52:43 PM »
Darn... better hurry cause that's the end, when it's locked.

Lighter