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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #15 on: June 10, 2008, 11:24:02 AM »
Bean, I understand... thanks for sharing.

I'm no debater and you've already said that you don't care to debate, so... again, thanks for clarifying!

Kelly,  I hear you. Me, too!  Although I clung to it for about 10 years, perfectionism began to wear off around the time of my 3rd child, when I realized that I was running myself ragged for zero pay-off (and missing alot, to boot!)  From that point on, recovery became much easier as I'd watch my mother continue to stress over shallow, insignificant details while her grandchildren were growing up right in front of her eyes.

Thanks!

Love,
Carolyn

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #16 on: June 10, 2008, 12:02:03 PM »
Dear Bean, Carolyn and others,


I hear you...not taking anything personal -- your views are respected.

For me, I am not attached to the material in that I could care less about fashion, cars, furniture, stuff, status, material possessions. That stuff is NOT my passion, although it used to be and I used to care very much about material comforts. Somewhere along the lines I gave that stuff up as I realized that it did not fill the void, nor did it ever really make me that happy. I love simplicity, it allows for me to enjoy nature more and to love and live more fully -- The less I have the more I have.


If anyone was to ask me who my favorite hero in life is I would say, besides Christ, St. Teresa of Avila.

It is my choice to be single, I never want to marry. Christ is my beloved there is not a man that can hold a candle to the way He fires my heart with love for Him. That is not to say that there are not men who are wonderful and very Christlike, it is just to say for me that I am happy and know who my spouse is.

Then there is my desire to grow....Lord knows how much I need it. Just this morning I awoke and prayed a full rosary. Then I sat on the long bus to work and meditated on my lack of mercy and lack of compassion as well as my righteous indignation. I prayed the litany of humility 4 times asking God to take away my desire to be esteemed, loved, extolled, consulted etc., furthing asking God to deliver me from fear of rejection, slander, and selfishness. I prayed several times that God would make everyone in the world more loved and better than me and that others would be preferred to me over all things in all situations. By the time I finished this mediation I was feeling a state of peace that was wonderful yet fully grounded in reality.

My only desire is to grow spiritually, if that means suffering for the sake of righteousness, then OK. It means losing all so that I can gain heaven, well then OK.

Not all are called to this "way" this is my path...My path is a path that desires to love God above all else (even though I tend to still love myself above all else), if you only knew what God has saved me from and how He has helped me time and time again, then my love for God would not be an issue for anyone.

There is a perfect mark that we are supposed to hit, anything less is called sin which is what separates man from God....Lord knows I gotta ways to go to being perfect (understatement)....but, at least I got something to shoot for.
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The Way of Perfection by St. Teresa of Avila (Catholic Saint)

Although St. Teresa of Avila lived and wrote almost four centuries ago, her superbly inspiring classic on the practice of prayer is as fresh and meaningful today as it was when she first wrote it. The Way of Perfection is a practical guide to prayer setting forth the Saint's counsels and directives for the attainment of spiritual perfection.

Through the entire work there runs the author's desire to teach a deep and lasting love of prayer beginning with a treatment of the three essentials of the prayerfully life -- fraternal love, detachment from created things, and true humility. St. Teresa's counsels on these are not only the fruit of lofty mental speculation, but of mature practical experience. The next section develops these ideas and brings the reader directly to the subjects of prayer and contemplation. St. Teresa then gives various maxims for the practice of prayer and leads up to the topic which occupies the balance of the book -- a detailed and inspiring commentary on the Lord's Prayer.

Of all St. Teresa's writings, The Way of Perfection is the most easily understood. Although it is a work of sublime mystical beauty, its outstanding hallmark is its simplicity which instructs, exhorts, and inspires all those who are seeking a more perfect way of life.

"I shall speak of nothing of which I have no experience, either in my own life or in observation of others, or which the Lord has not taught me in prayer." -- Prologue

Almost four centuries have passed since St. Teresa of Avila, the great Spanish mystic and reformer, committed to writing the experiences which brought her to the highest degree of sanctity. Her search for, and eventual union with, God have been recorded in her own world-renowned writings -- the autobiographical Life, the celebrated masterpiece Interior Castle and The Way of Perfection -- as well as in the other numerous works which flowed from her pen while she lived.

The Way of Perfection was written during the height of controversy which raged over the reforms St. Teresa enacted within the Carmelite Order. Its specific purpose was to serve as a guide in the practice of prayer and it sets forth her counsels and directives for the attainment of spiritual perfection through prayer. It was composed by St. Teresa at the express command of her superiors, and was written during the late hours in order not to interfere with the day's already crowded schedule.

Without doubt it fulfills the tribute given all St. Teresa's works by E. Allison Peers, the outstanding authority on her writings: "Work of a sublime beauty bearing the ineffaceable hallmark of genius."
 
 
http://www.franciscan-sfo.org/Avila/WofP1.htm
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Certain Hope

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #17 on: June 10, 2008, 12:34:37 PM »
Thank you for sharing so much of yourself once again, Lise.

Some day, I hope to be able to respond to you appropriately...
but today is not that day.

Love,
Carolyn

Gabben

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #18 on: June 10, 2008, 12:43:01 PM »
No worries...I love you Carolyn.

Certain Hope

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #19 on: June 10, 2008, 10:10:46 PM »
More from Dr. Gauthiere ~

Strive for Excellence, Not Perfection

Don't misunderstand me by thinking that I encouraged Kristen to settle for laziness and mediocrity. Quite the contrary, I encouraged her to strive for excellence. But first she needed to be free to be herself and to achieve more balance in her life between work and play, accomplishments and relationships. This enabled her not only to feel better about herself, but also to focus on what was most important to her and to her family. She decided to put most of her energy into her home life and into being an excellent Sunday School teacher and Room Mom and in doing so she had more to be proud of then ever before. The key to her success was that she focused on doing an excellent job in what was most important to her.

Focus. Perfectionists often have great trouble with focusing on priorities. They need to learn not to obsess about minor details, not to get compulsive about things that are irrelevant or of secondary importance, but to instead focus on putting their heart into the things that are most important. By taking a step back from her life to think about her activity level and her lifestyle and then to reprioritize Kristen was able to make some adjustments. She learned to spend less time dressing herself and her kids and more time relaxing and talking with them at the dinner table. She decided that being Scout Master and Assistant Soccer coach weren't as important to her as being involved in her church and her kids' school.

If you're a perfectionist, you too can defeat perfectionism before it defeats you. By being honest about who you really are and focusing on what's most important to you you'll find that you enjoy yourself more and achieve more than ever! Here are ten steps to help you get there.




Certain Hope

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2008, 10:31:08 PM »
Step 1 in the process of Defeating Perfectionism.... With Excellence!

Take a realistic look at how you're living and how you relate to others and yourself.

Think and pray about the results of the Perfectionism survey above.
(You might need to ask a friend to offer an objective opinion on this.)

Set a goal to rebalance or reprioritize your life accordingly and get someone to hold you accountable to changing.

Certain Hope

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #21 on: June 11, 2008, 08:52:57 AM »
Yes, Bean... and then, the more they screw up, the angrier they get.

When this gets really malignant is when they start punishing you for not screwing up, by suggesting all manner of ways you might have done (whatever) more perfectly.

Or - - (this is a real cutie) - they come behind you and re-do your work the way they think it shoulda been done in the first place, as though to erase you from the picture.   That one seems to be an old favorite, from my experience.

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Now I screw up regularly just to prove to myself it's OK
lol... yeah. That works for me!  :)

Carolyn

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #22 on: June 11, 2008, 01:58:24 PM »
Step 2 in the process of Defeating Perfectionism.... With Excellence!

Admit that you're imperfect and be honest with those you trust about your struggles and needs.

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« Reply #23 on: June 11, 2008, 02:39:25 PM »
 I see that I am not owning my shame and so I want the outside to see me a certain way so *I* can be reassured that I really am NOT bad.
 It stems from I DO see myself as bad. I do feel worthless, valueless, etc. I SO want to be free of this and don't know how to get there,myself , so I ask the outside (people) to reassure me over and over that I REALLY am "good".
 I am seeing that I must go w/in and really face my shame, look at it, mull it over, not be so afraid of it. It is a job I have not wanted to do.
 I have looked outside for what is inside. Inside is the key and I am looking in and getting ready to go forward.       Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #24 on: June 11, 2008, 02:55:00 PM »
Step 2 in the process of Defeating Perfectionism.... With Excellence!

Admit that you're imperfect and be honest with those you trust about your struggles and needs.


For me admitting that I am imperfect means admitting that I am selfish...that the person I care the most about is me.

So, in order to reverse that thinking...I need to take action and start doing things for others without absolutely NO reward, return, interest etc. for myself...a pure act of selfless sacrifice of time....our time is what is most valuable in life.

This time spent caring about others is like corrective spiritual surgery for the self-centered part of my brain.

Lise

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #25 on: June 11, 2008, 07:41:17 PM »
Admitting that I'm not perfect isn't the trouble, so much. In fact, I've had to stop admitting it so much, because I was constantly saying, "I'm sorry",
but I guess that's what codependent's often do. People pleasers, at least.

Selfishness is a major part of it, especially here at home, with my husband and even kids, to a smaller extent.
When I start tallying up what I do compared to x,y, or z... there comes trouble.
Scorekeeping is always bad news.

Step #2 said:  Admit that you're imperfect and be honest with those you trust about your struggles and needs[/i]

It's being honest, transparent about struggles and needs that's really tough for me.
Maybe not even struggles so much as needs.
I need more help, more feedback, more attention even, maybe, than I care to admit, at times... because I'm never quite sure that it's okay to ask.
So I'm working on identifying and expressing those needs, which isn't so easy to begin with, when you're used to feeling like it's up to you to be able to do it all.

Carolyn

Gabben

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #26 on: June 11, 2008, 07:51:19 PM »


It's being honest, transparent about struggles and needs that's really tough for me.
Maybe not even struggles so much as needs.
I need more help, more feedback, more attention even, maybe, than I care to admit, at times... because I'm never quite sure that it's okay to ask.
So I'm working on identifying and expressing those needs, which isn't so easy to begin with, when you're used to feeling like it's up to you to be able to do it all.

Carolyn

This is so true for me as well. For years it was hard for me to identify my needs, they were so buried, so split off from my awareness. The thoughts that preceded my needs were the voices of my mom, the shaming silence of her ignoring and neglecting my needs.

How, and why, I was able to suddenly find my voice and give expression to my needs is beyond me in that I think that Christ was a huge factor...ya think  :wink:?

Anyway, I hear you on the codependency people pleaser stuff too.

Carolyn, I entered recovery from my childhood when I was 17...at the age of 22 I was attending ACA meetings, going to 12 step groups and working with a therapist to be fully real and fully healed. Yet, I fell many times, it was just in my late thirties that I finally saw that it was OK for me to have needs and to express them.

We grow and heal at different paces and in different ways.

From what I know of you I would not guess that struggling to be real about struggles is an issue for you.

One thing I can say, that may or may not help, is that you have such a wonderful gentleness about you, even when you are setting limits and being real about what it is you need.

Lise

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #27 on: June 11, 2008, 08:17:38 PM »
(((((((Lise))))))) thank you.

At times, there are many feelings swirling around in me which are far from gentle...
but there's a stopper in me that won't usually allow it to escape.

Drinking used to loosen that cork...
now sobriety and a bit more common sense holds it in, for the most part.

But still, the whirlwind does spring up at times...  so I guess it's just a blessing that I'm not too emotive... lol... ugh.

Thank you for telling me about your progression of healing, too. You may have said so before, but this time it sunk in.
You're way ahead of me.
I've sat in on a form of joint counseling sessions with two ex-husbands, but this board is the only real help I've ever received for myself.
One counselor told me that I should have had all sorts of issues with my kids' dad... and the fact that I didn't was the biggest problem...
but I didn't have a clue what he meant. My mother had so many issues with the human race in general, that I grew up bound and determined to make myself content and agreeable no matter what. And so I did. Or so it seemed.

First place I ever heard that it was okay to want to be happy was from my current husband...
and from Hops, here on the board.
I used to hate it when she'd tell me that... because I was so set on doing everything the hard way.
So strange to think back on it.
Glad that's over... 'nuf of that!!

I love you.

Carolyn





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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #28 on: June 12, 2008, 12:41:40 PM »
Steps 3 and 4 go hand in hand, I think:

3.  Be balanced. You're a human being, not a human doing. There is more to life than what you can accomplish. Family, friends, and fun are important too.

4.    Step out of the performance trap by separating personhood from performance.

        You (and others) are loveable and valuable for who you are, with your unique personality, gifts, dreams, feelings, experiences.
         Hold your head high and develop good self-esteem!

These are the most difficult for me to put into practical application. It's gotten alot easier, but still - when I have what I consider an "unproductive" day, I tend to think less of myself... and taking a vacation is still more of a chore than a pleasure, because it's work to try to relax!

Carolyn

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Re: Are You a Perfectionist?
« Reply #29 on: June 12, 2008, 12:55:21 PM »


These are the most difficult for me to put into practical application. It's gotten alot easier, but still - when I have what I consider an "unproductive" day, I tend to think less of myself... and taking a vacation is still more of a chore than a pleasure, because it's work to try to relax!

Carolyn


Hi Carolyn,

Wow...me too. On days when I get very little done I can be hard on myself, which only causes more stifling of my inner child - old tapes.

Lise