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Ami

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My Spiritual Journey
« on: July 08, 2008, 08:27:08 AM »
I wanted to continue this thread b/c it has helped me so much and the original one is locked. James posted a great post, at the end. It was about can we really love another person when we don't love ourselves.If you wanted to re-post it, James, that would be great.
 I, for one,have started to face the truth of my life WITH the Spiritual Journeys thread. For the first time , I saw deception and called s/one on it. I did not stay mute, as I would have before. I said, "There IS an elephant in the living room. I see it."
I was angry b/c I was not treated well and was TOLD that I was.I was told that my reality was wrong, when I could see that it was right.
For me, I need to be angry in 3D life. I need to say "No" when s/one tells me that my eyes are  NOT  seeing  what they obviously are.
I have touched on a new feeling in my heart.It is anger. I don't know where I was,but I was NOT angry at my M or H. Yesterday, I realized,in the heart, how angry I am at my H.
 I did what James said.I tried to feel what I was feeling and express it. I did this, with many people, starting with the Spiritual Journey thread. It was very hard for me to be honest and direct,but James told me that if I would be honest, I could reclaim my true self.
 I was honest with my F. My F has betrayal of me, in his blood. He can not stand up . I was angry at him and expressed it. Then, I saw him, as I had not before.I saw my F, for the first time. I am seeing my H for the first time and I think I am seeing myself for the first time.
 I think that Dr G is right not to interfere unless there is close to bloodshed. Seeing how relationships  work on the board teach me how relationships work in 3D,most especially how *I* function and can function if I am honest.
      Ami
« Last Edit: July 08, 2008, 08:34:34 AM by Ami »
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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #1 on: July 08, 2008, 10:16:56 AM »
Oh my heavens.  There is no question that you have needed to find your anger.  I seems so odd as I have needed to lose mine.  Opposite sides of the same coin.

I hear an authenticity to your voice.  I am glad for you and admire your endless determination to get to the root and dig it out.  I hear the healing in your new voice and am thankful for you.  Continue the fight, there is a pot of gold at the other end.


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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2008, 01:17:19 PM »
Hi Ami,

I would like to say something...I think it's just fine to want to continue expressing your anger at CB on your own thread. Hers was effectively disabled.

But I wonder...could you re-title yours? Ami's Spiritual Journey . Or something like that?

This is gut-feeling, so please understand I'm just describing my honest reaction. When I read your thread title I felt like I was witnessing a boundary invasion. Just...it feels like you're saying, tough, it's mine now. Like a boundary doesn't matter, you don't need to respect that it was her thread, ever....

You can be as angry at CB as you like, of course. That's your business. But if it was anyone with whom there'd been such angry discussion, I'd feel the same way.

Do you understand why I might see it that way, even apart from my affection for CB? I hope so. I'm really not feeling a "taking sides" impulse...just wanted to share this with you.

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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2008, 03:31:25 PM »
Dear Hops,
 I think you fail to see a basic dynamic which is that CB acted very meanly AND deceptively TO me and I simply called her on it. That is called having a voice. I am sorry that justified angry is so problematic for you,but it is your problem ,not mine.If a person choses to act poorly to others, they may experience repercussions, Hops. I am sorry that this basic life dynamic is so distressing  to you.                               Ami
« Last Edit: July 08, 2008, 10:39:37 PM by Ami »
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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2008, 05:57:02 PM »
Ami......I understand your valid anger and feel good to see you honoring your OWN feelings. I think this IS YOUR spiritual journey......Love, James

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« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2008, 06:17:56 PM »
Dear James
 What an insightful and clear thinking post. You said so much in one sentence. What do they say? Brevity is the soul of wisdom. Thank you, friend.     Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2008, 06:21:54 PM »
Ami.
I hear and read you and think this thread ought to be entitled "My Journey With Anger". Spirituality might enter when amger has ceased..
Izzy
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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2008, 06:24:57 PM »
Hi Izzy....thats the problem with spirituality.......James

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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2008, 06:28:17 PM »
Well, Izzy, I will let YOU do that thread.  See, we TOLD you that if you waited a little bit, you could start a fight.                   Ami
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2008, 06:35:33 PM »
Ami.
This is not beginning a fight. I have dealt with my anger and I saw this thread as you dealing with yours.
Izzy

EDIT In...and I thought perhaps I could add to supporting you on that journey. Where I have been.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2008, 06:37:44 PM by Izzy_*now* »
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« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2008, 07:17:16 PM »
Since I can't figure out if you are hostile OR helpful , I will just say Hasta La Vista, baaaby.                         Ami
« Last Edit: July 08, 2008, 09:11:27 PM by Ami »
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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #11 on: July 08, 2008, 07:36:40 PM »
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What do they say? Brevity is the soul of wisdom.


Brevity is the soul of wit.

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« Reply #12 on: July 08, 2008, 08:46:39 PM »
Wisdom, too.                 Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #13 on: July 09, 2008, 07:37:58 AM »
Hi Ami,
Do you mean taking the title of CB's thread is a way to punish her?

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If a person choses to act poorly to others, they may experience repercussions

Yikes. The repercussion related to you feeling angry at CB is that you'll take over her thread title? (I don't mean that literally. I was in publishing, and you can't copyright titles!) Maybe me feeling I was witnessing a person being punched (metaphorically) was a legitimate observation. She was being punished.

You're right that I find anger painful and confrontations distressing. Always have. Still do. And I'm often preoccupied with issues of punishment. I'm very very very leery of punishers. My D is studying justice in grad school; we talk about this stuff. She's no Desmond Tutu, but those are the things in the world that excite me most, spiritually. Tangent....

It's difficult for me to always understand the difference between self-defense and offense. I imagine Ghandi himself had trouble with it at times, or King. (My heroes.) I do think people should be able to speak about their anger, stand up to bullying or baiting, and say NO to other people. Taken me half a century's effort, but I can do it some now.

I do have a low internal twanging setpoint for aggression. Maybe too low...I have an emotional version of tinnitus, constant low-level twannnnnnnggggggg. I guess most poet types, or HSPs (not sure I am one, but something like that) are always picking up particles of rage in the atmosphere. I'm not always sure. In this instance, I thought I was not witnessing healthy assertiveness or "voice", but aggression. (I think sometimes on VESMB, people use "voice!" as a cover for acts of aggression. I think sometimes you do. Maybe I have too. I don't know if I know or observe myself well enough to be sure about that.)

Because I've observed a fair amount of aggression, much of my adult life I've spent thinking about how ELSE people who are hurt and angry might deal with each other.

One thing I have been thinking about a lot lately is that characteristic that a bully will always hit you WHEN you're down and WHERE you are already bruised. My boss does it. My brother does it. My mother did it. Schoolmates did it.

I think CB was likely bruised by her experience on her My Spiritual Journey thread -- but I don't know that. I think it took courage for her to steadfastly maintain a boundary and continuously say "No" to you and to Bill. She didn't sound afraid and maybe she wasn't. But I found her even tone and determination inspiring. Not just because I "fell on her side of the fence" in terms of the issues she was trying to discuss (I'm too ill informed about scripture to even be qualified), but because as I witnessed it, she was assertive, not aggressive.

I hope my saying this directly can come across, through this t-y-p-i-n-g, as a direct but not aggressive thing in itself. I can tell you honestly I am not feeling angry or aggressive as I type, for what that's worth. I'm feeling...thoughtful.

I found you taking her thread title immediately after all that conflict on her thread, to be aggressive. I guess that's all there is to what I'm trying to say. And it's clear that I'm a friend of CB's and have a high degree of trust in her, so that has to be factored in.

With my brother, the default was bullying. There was a sense in the air, always, that I would experience repercussions, when I "acted poorly" according to his judgment. He was judge, jury and executioner.

Anyway, my two cents turned into a plugged nickel, but it's time to get my act together.

Hope you have a good day. Everybody.

love,
Hops

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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #14 on: July 09, 2008, 07:42:33 AM »
Ami......I understand your valid anger and feel good to see you honoring your OWN feelings. I think this IS YOUR spiritual journey......Love, James


Since I acted in an honest way, for the first time,with my F, I SAW how I had been trying to protect his image of himself by pretending NOT to see that he never could stand up. I never really called him on it, in a direct way b/c I did not want to "make" him feel badly about himself . I felt very guilty for thinkning of MY integrity before his.
 I see that it was very detrimental to me that   HE had to be the "nice guy" at all costs. He will fling me to the wind so he can appear nice.
 I feel more connected to myself ,now. I had been blocking the truth of this b/c I wanted to believe that he was on my side, but he isn't.
 You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free, always. It is a principle which will not fail.      Ami
« Last Edit: July 09, 2008, 10:39:57 AM by Ami »
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung