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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #30 on: July 10, 2008, 01:33:35 AM »



Hi Ami,

I don't have an opinion on what you should call this thread.

I do want to tell you that I still champion your pursuit of healing your way and on your schedule. 

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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #31 on: July 10, 2008, 06:37:12 AM »
Thanks Hops.  I appreciate your support.

I'm good.

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« Reply #32 on: July 10, 2008, 09:08:32 AM »
Thank you, TT. I appreciate it.            Blessings  to you, Ami
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« Reply #33 on: July 10, 2008, 11:56:22 AM »
Dear Hops,
 Could you talk about the bullying. I think you alluded to it in some  other posts. How did it affect you? Were you ever able to stand up for yourself? Did anyone help you? Did your parents help you? How does it affect you, today?
 I think you could help many people ,if you care to explore it.If it is too personal to go there, I totally understand.      Love   Ami
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Re: My Spiritual Journey
« Reply #34 on: July 10, 2008, 01:27:59 PM »



Hi Ami,

I wanted to continue this thread b/c it has helped me so much and the original one is locked.

I'm just curious.   At this point are the issues you wantd to pursue per above, being addressed on this thread?

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« Reply #35 on: July 10, 2008, 02:16:46 PM »
Dear TT
 This thread was a Coming of Age for me. In N households, the last thing you can do is tell the truth. Then, over time, you do not even KNOW  the truth.
 I trusted how I felt and what I percieved ,on this thread. For that reason, it was precious to me .
 Actually, Hops and my interchange was beautiful and for that alone, the thread was worth it.               Ami
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« Reply #36 on: July 10, 2008, 04:08:06 PM »
As I continue to try to face what is, NOT what I wish was, my past is opening up to me. I never wanted to see one particular thing,most of all. That was that my M bullied me ,on purpose. It is so "nice" to think that people cannot help what they do b/c they have emotional issues, etc.
 I think I knew, down deep, that my M bullied me b/c she could. I was weak and vulnerable( a child) and she could throw her  anger on me b/c I had no one to stand up for me.She knew it was wrong. She never did it in front of other people, relatives etc.I had a large extended family
 My Aunt told me she never knew. Part of my  M's hate was a violent jealousy toward her sister, my Aunt, whom I always talk about. A shrink told me that my M got back at her sister through me, which my M said was true.
  This was the deep thiing I did not want to face, above all else, the choice, the wilfullness of it.She let her primal feelings, rage , hate ,jealously explode on me b/c I could not do anything about it.
 As I face this, I have more empathy for myself. My FOO pattern was I had to make my M feel good ,at all costs. I had to reassure her that she was a good mother. *I* had to look good,in every way, for her. I did it up until recently. I wanted to look good for her so she would not have to face the type of mother she was. I never called my F on the fact that he was a wimp b/c I did not want him to have to face the truth about himself.
 I was the sponge, no needs.
 I think that mental illness categories ,sometimes, let the person off the hook. Conscience is one thing and mental illness is another. Killers kill in secret. So, they KNOW they are wrong. Then,people say that they could not help it.
 I always gave my M an excuse.
 She knows right from wrong, so where is the excuse?
 I appreciate a place where I can express my pain and my feelings. Thank you to anyone who responds. I appreciate it.                Ami
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« Reply #37 on: July 10, 2008, 11:24:58 PM »
Ami......Your mom wasn't cruel to you in front of others....so she knew what she was doing. I think your right, they know. My parents did exactly the same thing, they made it look so great to be a member of my family. In fact, several of my long time friends, who know my parents, turned on me when I started opening up with them about the facts of what happened, and now we are no longer friends. They blamed me. Just a facade to make them look good and get away with crime. My parents constantly coached or threatened us kids, they would say, "we never talk about family matters with outsiders". All I ever got when I asked them why, "you just don't ever do that, it's wrong of you"..............They knew what they were doing IMO.......James

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« Reply #38 on: July 11, 2008, 08:29:21 AM »
Thanks James and Leah
 I see what James is saying. You MUST respond with your heart and with your truth and THEN blinders will come off your eyes and you will see what you would not before b/c you were in denial.
 I saw s/thing really big last night. My F told me that he had compassion for my H and  was calling him. I realized that my F always had so little compassion for me that ,my F COULD have a heart for the person who abused me for over 20 years and that abuse resulted in my son's death. What type of wimp could do that? I think he is worse than the N. He looks good,"normal",but he will betray me ,without a thought and not relent when it is pointed out. He has no  heart for me.
                 Ami

PS I just had the rudest awakening, the rudest. I am sitting here, shaking. I called my M and told her that I didn't like what my F was doing.She told me it was MY fault that *I* stayed with an abuser all these years SO it is OK if my F comforts the abuser.Then she tried to tell me that my Aunt was frends with her son's ex-wife,after the divorce, so THAT was the same. I could see it all. I am floored, just floored at what a monster,no feeling, an N is. I really am breathless and speechless.I think I came out of denial.
 I am sure that people will think I am horrible,but I told her that I will be happy when she dies and the flames of Hell open up and get her and she will be  there ,forever.
 
 
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« Reply #39 on: July 11, 2008, 09:26:57 AM »
Ami......I remember how painful it was for me when my illusion that I was loved by my family was shattered. You have my most heartfelt sympathy right now. It takes time to heal such a terrible wound and sharing you feelings with those who really love and care for you will help. From my experience I am starting to understand that this was the moment I started to find my own life while I started painfully leaving my family behind. You always say, "The truth will set you free", and I believe it will, eventhough it is sometimes very painful.........Love, James

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« Reply #40 on: July 11, 2008, 12:30:29 PM »
Dear Leah and James
 Your warm words went from your mouth to my heart. I am hurting,but I feel like I have gotten rid of a big tumor. It was all lies. I had to keep it buttressed up at the expense of reality and my health. It took a terrible toll.Now, I see it and it is a relief.  Thanks for being there, James and Leah. I so ,so appreciate it.    Love   Ami


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« Reply #41 on: July 11, 2008, 09:05:20 PM »
There is a strength and a power in calling a spade a spade. I called my M a monster ,to her face. She was as cold as ice.I saw the truth. She has no heart for me,,no empathy. My F does not have a heart for me ,either.
 A long journey has come to an end. It was a horrible , bitter journey . I had no idea who I was ,like a brainwashed cult victim. I floundered in terrible insecurity,but it seems like a new  path has opened and I can see the way more clearly.
                   Ami
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« Reply #42 on: July 12, 2008, 08:17:49 AM »
It is really hard to see things as they are, anything, and to call  it. I just told my H that he tried to collude with anyone he could against me. He said,"That is crazy" We al know that that is typical for N's(N ish)
 I see that I would see things, but never ever would say them, as if there were two planes of existence, that which WAS happeneing and that which you pretended was happening. I was lost to  my own feelings,  which was probably the worst thing of all. I want to reclaim my own feelings. Am I really OK? Are MY feelings really OK? Do I have to hide away, as I thought I did? Can I trust myself, after all this time? Am I human or some version of "bad" as my M said?
 These are all the questions I have ,as I take the next step. If anyone could relate, I would appreciate it. I think it is about trusting yourself, again, as you did as a small child.      Ami
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« Reply #43 on: July 12, 2008, 08:18:15 AM »
Ami.......The injustices you suffered as a child were real, eventhough it seems sometimes  people may tell you otherwise. Your latent anger is real too, and directing it at the real target must go a long way in regaining your power they stole, by their submission of you, thru intimidation and fear. I wonder, as you do this how does it make you feel? answer only if you feel comfortable...........James

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« Reply #44 on: July 12, 2008, 08:19:57 AM »
That is so sweet of you to ask. I will think about it, today ,and answer later. Thanks, James.          Love   Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung