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Dawning

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What does "white trash" mean to you?
« on: November 22, 2008, 09:23:40 PM »
Dear everyone,

I just moved back to the U.S. about one year ago, after living abroad for 17 years.  I have heard the term, "white trash" used before but I never could get my brain about what that term means.  I think I may be dealing with someone who is white trash, but before I jump to any conclusions, I wanted to hear what anyone here may have to say. 

Thanks, as always.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2008, 02:33:16 AM »
Hi
To refer to a family to which you likely can relate, I suggest the Connor family......Roseanne's  ex-TV show

..lacking in money, social graces, maybe even out of work and they don't care.



...maybe too many children

...maybe no indoor plumbing and use the Sears catalogue

...old, worn or ripped clothihng, lost buttons, would likely (the man) wear white sox with his "dress shoes" with a hol;e in the sole, and his suit pants too short and doesn't even notice or care. (just examples)
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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2008, 08:01:44 AM »
It's the N-word for poor or uneducated white people.

It's mean, since it implies that these human beings are garbage.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2008, 10:32:35 AM »
I think it's the sort of term that generally speaks volumes more about the person who uses it than about the person/people being so described.  It's just my point of view but I'd steer clear of using it.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2008, 11:23:37 AM »
Dawning,

White trash is always what someone else is.  No one EVER describes themselves as white trash. 

"White" is, of course, politically incorrect, and trash is, well, without value.  And no one who would call someone else trash, would think of themselves as without value. 

However, it's a great red flag about the person saying it--if they'll say it to you, they'll say it about you.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2008, 12:27:38 PM »
Labels intended to cast others as ignorant and vulgar have a way of reflecting those qualities on the speaker.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2008, 12:41:01 PM »
This thread makes me laugh. Some of the biggest bullies on the board acting righteous when s/one uses a word like "white trash".
Well, what about bullying s/one(me) who came on the board,in good faith, and who was hurting.
 People can really fool themselves as to their OWN intentions.
  I thought when people talked in a righteous way, they would ACT it.
  I don't put myself above it at all.
  My nature has the same hypocrisy as any one else's.
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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #7 on: November 23, 2008, 01:41:24 PM »
Ami: perhaps you saw my response as critical of Dawning?  I don't see it that way.  She did not use "white trash."  BEFORE using it she ASKED for a definition of a term with which she was unfamiliar after years abroad, and deserved an honest response.  An honest response respects the person asking the question, and I happen to respect her for asking the question.  Rules for myself on this board include 1) being honest 2) being helpful and, if my comments might be hurtful as well as helpful, saying nothing unless the helpful aspect is likely stronger and more useful than the potential for hurt.  I know perfectly well I have not bullied you, however, I feel it is impossible in an open forum for all people to have a positive impact on all others.   I shall of course continue to try to improve myself as a human being--be righteous, if you will.  Speak righteously.  And yes, act righteously.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 01:47:43 PM »
Dawning,
I read this last night and was too tired to reply. I was wondering, though, why you needed a label for this woman? Obviously she is unpleasant in ways (maybe many). Why does she bother you, do you think?
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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #9 on: November 23, 2008, 02:33:45 PM »
On my very first night in a foreign country years ago--a country I'd be living in for awhile--I used a phrase common here in the US, not an insult at all...but it was an insult there.  I didn't know, of course I wouldn't have said it, and all these years later I still blush thinking about it.  Lucky for me my hostess that evening took me aside, or I could easily have repeated it at dinner.  These things happen.  Common usage one place, another meaning altogether somewhere else.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #10 on: November 23, 2008, 02:54:10 PM »
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People can really fool themselves as to their OWN intentions.
  So true.

Thank you for the replies.  I did not see them as being critical and I appreciate the feedback.  I also have alot of faith in the responses I've received here over the years, and most of them have been incredibly helpful.  I think, as a person who has felt voiceless in life, that I can share my voice here in an honest manner.  So, thank you again to *all* the responses.

I met a man several months ago, when I was new to this town, who helped me in every way he could...but expected a full blown-out steady relationship in return - on his terms.  He lives with his nephew in a trailer park and refused to bring me over for a visit right from the beginning.  Once, when we were out, he got angry and thought I was flirting with somone...he came back to my place and let himself in (the door was unlocked) and passed out, after breaking one of my wine glasses.  Another couple took me home.  I refused to see him.  He apologized and we took a trip to LA together, and he paid for everything.  He often complained about his manual labour job and the treatment he received from his boss.  I told him that, instead of complaining that he should empower himself.  What I did not see was that, more and more, I felt he was getting dependent on me for counseling and help.  I told him not to call me and I started seeing other people.  Once, he came over, "with a buzz on," he said, and didn't make any sense at all.  After I basically kicked him out, he called me three times and left long voicemails throughout the entire evening and up until around 2am.  I agreed to meet him and he brought his dog along and a bouquet of flowers.  I told him that I felt we could not effectively communicate but that he has alot of potential and that I felt he should get more education in order to get a more rewarding job.  I then took him to meet an artist friend of mine, and he (in front of my friend) accused me of being a horrible, insensitive person in front of my friend while telling my friend (in front of me) how much he loved me.  Then, he became verbally abusive to me, so I got up to leave.  He forced himself in my car and threatened several times to jump out.  He burned a cigarette on the palm of his hand, and threatened to have me kicked out of town.  He kept using the expression, "game on," which I did not understand at all.  At this point, I retreated far, far away from him and started to see other people and fill my life as best I could.  However, because I was (and still am in many ways) in a very vulnerable positoin and haven't met any real friends, I began to call him again, with the caveat that I felt he had issues and that I would help him - especially if he wanted to take some courses or apply for entrance into a junior college.  I told him that I would type his letter as he can't use a keyboard.  I intuitively knew that he and I were at different stages of awareness and I continued to reach out in order to meet friends, not a guy necessarily.  But, as time progressed, I increasingly started to realize that he wanted "things," when he wanted them, and on his terms.  When I tried to bring up my feelings, he screamed at me on the phone and wouldn't let me get a word in edgewise, all the while saying that he was the good person and that I had "zero compassion."  

I say all this in the past tense because it hit a crescendo yesterday evening.  I asked him earlier in the week if he wanted to go hiking and he said, "maybe."  Yesterday he called and wanted to know if I could meet last night for a "conversation."  I said that I had plans.  Then, he screamed at me and said that I lied to him; he wanted me to help him when he put his dog to sleep, and that I had gone against my word.  I ended up having to leave him a voicemail explaining what I couldn't explain because he was never letting me speak.  He called at 830pm and said "goodbye."  I guess that is the end of it.

I don't know what "white trash" means to some people...so I googled it.  And then I wrote here.

It is the same old thing with me...wanting to help people get over their issues so they can lead more productive lives.  I need to concentrate on myself and my own issues.  I KNOW that.  But I am new here and finding it hard to make real friends.  When this man doesn not feel threatened, he is fun to be around but I can't give him what he wants.  And when he doesn't get what he wants, he lashes out.  That scares me and, more and more, I realize that I am not responsible for helping him become a happier person.  So I have to let go.    I've never met anyone like this man (except my mother, perhaps.)  Maybe he fits the stereotype of "white trash," but I think he is really, really immature - like my mom.  And there is only so much I can do.

In the meantime, I am very tired of all this crazy drama and I broke my little toe last night when I was so upset and ran into my house too fast.  My life is so complicated and weird at the moment...I need islands of sanity.  Instead, I feel like I am walking on eggshells around a man who has issues of his own that he can't look at.  I can't make him look at those, obviously.  I can't fix him.  The hardest thing is that he feels I am the one who is mean and lacking in compassion.  When I meet people like this, I feel a little kernel of anger too.  Moral of the story: be aware of how loneliness and vulnerability can lead people to make mistakes - that is what I think we would all do well to realize.  Thank you...I now see that I should have compassion for myself.  I hope he realizes that one day too.

Dawning.
« Last Edit: November 23, 2008, 03:08:24 PM by Dawning »
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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #11 on: November 23, 2008, 03:08:32 PM »

  I can't fix him. Amen.

 Moral of the story: be aware of how loneliness and vulnerability can lead people to make mistakes   Amen.

Hi Dawning,

Sorry to hear about your toe.  Get well soon.

To me, these 2 statements sum it up.  He sounds troubled.  Glad you decided to steer clear.  Yes, we can't fix anyone else, we can only fix ourselves and it's so good when we realize how our vulnerabilites, like lonliness, leave us open to destructive people.  I think this is true no matter one's socio-economics, race, gender, etc.

Please take care of yourself & don't let him evoke guilt in you.  If it were me, I'd steer clear of this guy.  He is troubled and will likely cause you more trouble.

xoxo,
ann


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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #12 on: November 23, 2008, 03:17:24 PM »
Dawning:  "game on" sounds like a threat.  Burning himself sounds irrational.  I realize it's in the past now--I hope you can reach out to others in your community.  I've moved a few times and know how hard it is.  Thanksgiving can be a good time, actually.  When I was new here, I went and helped out with a community dinner for those in need, and had an absolute blast.  In many places there are lots of community/charity volunteer events around the holidays, if by any chance that works for you.  Take care and hang in there.  It's tough being in a new place.

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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #13 on: November 23, 2008, 03:17:45 PM »
Thank you Ann.  As usual, the love on this board will see me through.  You all are my friends, even though you are not here to have brunch with me right now.  You'll be in my thoughts when I sit down and order an organic muffin.

I also see that, after being screamed at and hung up on, that I wanted to find a simple answer to this man's behaviour.  But, of course, White Trash doesn't refer to the uneducated who live in trailer parks.  I think it might be better to do away with that term altogether and not even ponder it.  

What I am getting more intolerant of is the immature behaviour of adults, who seem - by choice - not to want to learn.

p.s.  Should I go to a doctor for a broken little toe?  I sometimes do adult ballet and other forms of dance - and I don't want a broken little toe to have life-long repercussions.

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« Last Edit: November 23, 2008, 03:23:22 PM by Dawning »
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Re: What does "white trash" mean to you?
« Reply #14 on: November 23, 2008, 03:40:02 PM »
Dawning:  I'm with you on the immature behavior.  Screaming, hanging up, showing up drunk--you're better off without this guy. 

I broke my toe a year ago and the doctor said, "it won't kill you, nice to see you, goodbye."  But I'd still go see one, because all breaks are different and some can cause infection.