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clara

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How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« on: September 11, 2003, 07:39:59 PM »
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:Insidently, how did you end up with a N-mom, a N-dad, AND a N-husband? :?:


I guess there are a few answers to that question.

Ever hear the expression, "You marry your father."  For better or for worse, that's just how we form attachments, so the theory goes.

I met N-husband when I was just 19. I had moved across the country to go to university and escape my toxic home life.

I knew no-one, and soon became desparately lonely.  I was an extravert and seemed to be able to approach people easily, but I couldn't make good friends.  The reason I couldn't make friends is pretty obvious to me now -- I simply couldn't learn socializing skills from my N-family.

First year away I met my husband.  He seemed  so DIFFERENT from my dad because he was from different part of the country, a small town (vs big city), different life goals, different build and hair coloring, yadda, yadda.  But despite these very superficial differrences, he was the very same as my father in terms of having no capacilty to connect with people, or to care for them.  But how was I to underrstand that character flaw when my yardstick for comparison was so warped?  Heck I even felt a sort of comfort with this kind of dysfunction.Besides, he certainly met my needs at the time -- he LIKED ME!! What more could a girl on her own, with low self-esteem and few social skills ask for?

Sure there were lots of fights and there was little enjoyment together.  But keep in mind that I never had a mother who I could turn to for advice, wisdom, direction, a sympathetic ear, etc.  Any time I tried calling her on the phone of course it was only to hear herself talk about her problems.  Again, I didn't realize at the time that this wasn't how moms were supposed to act.

I guess over the years N-hubby and I got busy with careers and kids --fighting all the time together, but getting by never the less.  As the kids came along we fought much less, as the decent thing to do. Trouble was that we never got closer with our cease fires, we just got more distant.  As we we connect through fighting, or we don't connect at all

Truth be told, I started studying psychology and one day had this MAJOR epiphany of sorts -- "OH, wow!! So THAT'S  my parents problem!! They are full-blown narcissists!!"

Then it took a few years to slowly allow the painful (but obvious) realization that my husband really is a narcissist as well (not as bad as my parents though).  I guess it took me a long time to own up to this because, hey, who really wants to confess that they ended up "marrying their father."

My recovery was slow too because I think that I was narcissistic for years along with him.  The too of us were obnoxious together when with others.  Also, I felt that whenever we had fights I deserved what I got, so I was too focussed on my own faults to see his problems (and sad as it may sound, it was less painful to confront my own flaws that my husbands).

Our marriage is sad. I just read a book, "Too good to leave, Too bad to stay" on how to deal with ambivalence about lousy relationships (stay or go?).  The author would conclude that I should leave, but she doesn't understand that there are three kids, and if I end up making a mistake then that would be the most unforgivable offence of all.

My struggle continues. Thanks for asking.

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How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2004, 03:20:45 AM »
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Re: How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #2 on: June 05, 2009, 09:41:22 AM »
Wow...your life sounds so close to mine....I had a dad who was super controlling, lack of empathy, love, emotions and demanded all the respect in the world even though he hardly had interaction with me.  My mom was somewhat controlling, but was submissive to my dad and she did everything for us and kept up the house and her job.

Today, I am married to a man who created the description of narcissistic.  I didn't realize this until I started reading up on this personality disorder.  One minute I am telling myself to stay the other I am yelling for a divorce.  I have never been out on my own and have 2 kids.  I teach so I do hae a stable job.  Recently at work I have made new girlfriends, some married and some are single.  One of them is having a birthday on June 15.  The girls would like to treat her to supper on a "popping" Monday night.  I told my husband I was going and he threw a fit, even though he goes camping for weekends without me and the kids.  His friends too are married, single and some I don't know.  I have chosen for him not to know my new friends because he always finds faults in them and then doesn't want me to do anything with him.  Yet it is ok for me not to know his friends.  He told me that if I go to supper Monday night he will go to a bar with one of his friends that is as trashy as they can get.  I told him to do what he had to do.  He got mad because he didn't have control and hasn't talked to me for 2 days, another control tactic.

I really need to leave so this is my question to you and others.  Why do we stay in a relationship like this?  Why do we love a man like this?  Because when I try to think of the posities about him I really can't think of hardly any anymore.  I am getting depressed, and mentally worn out from his ups and downs and everything revolves around him.  He has everthing seperate from me, checkbook etc....His conversations are about him. Constantly he needs to be stroked.  As I look back on this year I never got a birthday gift, Christmas gift, and Mother's Day gift.  His reason:  to save money.  Yet 2 weeks ago he bought a $4000 dirt bike for guess who, himself.  He never does anything with the kids.

I need lots of people to write to me.  Ask me questions, give me info/advice.  This will be my part of my therapy.

Thanks--Trish

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Re: How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #3 on: June 05, 2009, 10:57:54 AM »
Dear Trish
 I have stayed b/c I am afraid that what they all told me is true--that I am incompetent, worthless and so mentally and emotionally screwed up that I will fall flat on my face if I leave.
  Keep writing, (((Trish))).
    Love ,   Ami
 
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Re: How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2009, 08:25:16 AM »
Indeed that's the way it works - I was brought up by someone with these traits and married someone I thought was the complete opposite but I didn't realise that he was 'opposite on a continuum' - I knew my hubby wouldn't mess me around like my mother had, he wouldn't play emotional games, he wouldn't be hugely dependent on me, he wouldn't trash my boundaries : he had castle wall boundaries, he was totally and irrevocably independent to an extreme, and he says he would die for me - but...he still can't 'relate' to me.   My mother 'over'-relates!

Narcissism seems to be a popular phenomenon in the States and, through reading lots of books about it, I did conclude my mother suffered with a personality disorder.  But it doesn't really 'exist' here in the UK and gradually a new phenomenon came out of the darkest recesses of our current knowledge of personality with Aspergers Syndrome (or Higher Functioning Autism).  If you read some books about Aspergers and marriage, I think you may find some clues as to your husband's behaviour and you'll find plenty to identify with.

Know two things : it's damaging to your health and will continue to be so; he cannot change.  What you choose to do once you really 'get' that is up to you.  I'm glad that we have the knowledge but so sad that the prognosis is not the happy ending one would wish for.
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Re: How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2009, 08:32:45 AM »
Ami - I can assure you from my own experience that it's not true.  I started by going off for a 'holiday' in a cottage not that far from home.  I found that just a week showed me how normal and competent i still was away from my husband and son.  And it was fine, too, when I moved far away to start a new(ish) life.

It only went desperately, terribly wrong when I was 'forced' to get involved again with my mother. 

But we do have to learn to deal with the Ns in our lives - they pop up all over the place.  They are what make us incompetent and inadequate, nothing more and nothing less.  Boundaries are important.  And just recognising 'N' behaviour for what it is and then running like Chariots of Fire if you see it!!! 

I haven't yet learnt the techniques for survival in the workplace but I have learned to like people who are just plain nasty.  They, at least, are above board.

I think there's a place for relating to people in spite of their behaviour, not allowing ourselves to be manipulated into being their victim or even the source of their own worst nightmare.  Loving 'beyond' the bad behaviour.  I can do that with people who look to me for support, but I haven't yet managed it with authority figures.
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Re: How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2009, 10:26:51 AM »
((((Rose)))
 Your simple, kind words really helped me.          Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2009, 07:09:02 PM »
You ended up marrying a N because: We marry to carry on the old wars of childhood.  Daddy was an N with all it's symptoms.  You couldn 't change Daddy; but maybe you can change this other N if you marry him, so he will change just like you always wanted Daddy to change.  Get it? 
Start looking at the people your friends/family chose to marry and then look at their parents.  See the dysfunctions.  See how they marry someone just like their troubled parent that they never could get to change?  Maybe they can change their husband/wife--just like they always wanted to change Daddy/Mommy.  You'll see a pattern if you look hard enough.

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Re: How did I, product of two N's, end up my marrying one?
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2009, 08:22:54 PM »
I forgot to say that I think it's to do with marrying what's familiar and therefore comfortable - and then there's always 'hope' at work - hope for a different outcome, hope that this person will be kinder and give us good parenting. 

I think my husband DID give me better parenting.  I married him for all the right reasons after I had grown and knew myself quite well.  It's just that he also had a side to him which inevitably drove me nuts.  In the early days of our marriage, it was helpful - but as i grew and changed, sadly he did not - he was unable to.  I fear I did him more damage than he did to me. But hey - he tells me he feels better than he used to.  I find that amazing because he *seems* to be in a much worse place.  On the other hand, he's no longer pretending or struggling so perhaps that's a relief for him.  So this is the 'him' who was hidden from me for all those years...I feel very lucky to have experienced what helped me - and wish I'd known earlier about the Aspergers as I think we'd have coped better.  The knowledge came too late.
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