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Dawning

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what's up with "dad?"
« on: September 20, 2004, 11:02:45 PM »
I sent my dad (who I haven't seen since I was 21) an email about a month ago asking him for the contact info for my half-brother.  I said that I thought it would be healthy to attempt to establish contact with half-brother.  And I thanked my father in advance.  I got no reply.  Nothing.   :shock:

It was in January that I first spoke to my dad since I was 21 -19 years ago.  I called him.  When he answered the phone, I said my name and I had to repeat it 5 times before he realized it was me.  

Yes, me.   :D

Anyway, I'd like to know what people here think about trying to establish contact with my half-brother anyway.  I could probably find out - through internet white pages - some possible numbers.  Btw, he and I were never encouraged to have any kind of relationship.  He is three years younger than I am and has a different mother (obviously.)  We met once when I was 12 during the summer and we got along well.  No fights or feelings of resentment.  I think we liked the fact that we had a sibling.  He is also my father's only child from his 2nd marriage.

Any thoughts on this?  

I am just so shocked that my father did not reply to that message.  It hurts deeply and makes me angry too.   :cry:  :twisted:
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« Reply #1 on: September 20, 2004, 11:51:01 PM »
Dawning,

It is ugly that he didn't reply to you, but he seems like a neglectful, selfish, incoherent individual.

Yes, do look up your brother.

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2004, 02:02:05 AM »
Hiya Dawning,  :D

My guess is it's control. That's why he's not telling you. You need something from him, and you've contacted him and asked him for it,  and so he's witholding it. He's in control. Or that's probably what he thinks, and he may be quite pleased and even getting off on it. Frustrating your endeavours, I mean. I'd go around him, by any other means available. Get the CIA FBI Interpol in on the act  :D . He's your brother. You don't need his approval or consent or permission or help to contact your own brother. He's your family. Go for it. The internet is a good place to start, and other family members, maybe.

CG

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(I know they're called half-brothers by some.  I tend to think differently on that topic and so I don't use that terminology. Hope that's okay  :D .)

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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2004, 11:17:55 AM »
Hi Dawning,

Agree with others here.  By going through an N for information, you've given him control to give or not give.  Hmm, what will hurt the most?  To not give!  They don't even have to think about it.  

Don't be a moth to the flame.  We need to work around our Ns to get what we want or need.  Otherwise we frustrate ourselves.  Sure, in a normal situation, I would call someone who is likely to have half brother's number.  But your dad isn't normal.  

Not only did this exchance give him a chance to hurt you, it's also given him information about what you want to do.  Two-for-one!  Next time, don't put your hand back on the hot stove.  Oops, that's just analogy for impact, I don't mean to be harsh to you.   :?  Just please be more self-protective, OK?  At the very least, it is a fresh reminder of why you haven't called your dad in so many years.  

Take care, Seeker

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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2004, 12:25:52 PM »
if he let almost 20 yr go by without checking on you -- without any contact -- write him off -- he wrote you off a long time ago. Be on your own to find your brother, if that's what you want to do. Don't expect too much though, then if it turns out to be a wonderful connection, you will be so pleased. Spend the time and money to find him on your own --- don't give the old man any time or encouragement -- don't let him into your life under any circumstances -- he is toxic.

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« Reply #5 on: September 23, 2004, 03:59:32 AM »
Thanks for the replies.  

I've never talked about my dad much.  My mother took advantage of him and he, in return, took advantage of me.  The buried memories are just starting to surface.   If anyone knows a good board where I can hash this out, please let me know.

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By going through an N for information, you've given him control to give or not give. Hmm, what will hurt the most? To not give! They don't even have to think about it.


Makes alot of sense.  I couldn't figure out why he didn't want to have anything to do with me.  I gave him what he asked for when I was a little kid (ah...i didn't have a choice)and then he turns around and remarries and doesn't want to have anything more to do with me.  

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Just please be more self-protective, OK? At the very least, it is a fresh reminder of why you haven't called your dad in so many years.


Will do, seeker.  Thanks and I didn't think you were being harsh.  I appreciate what you said.  I didn't call my dad in so many years because I didn't know where he was.  He disappeared on me.  When I sent out an email to my *family* last year, I also sent it to the address I had for him.  When his mother died in 1998, he sent me all the pics that she had in her condo of she and I.   He got my address from my mother's mother.
I wasn't invited to the funeral as I was not invited to his father's funeral when I was in university.  When I sent a copy of the recent email to that address, he emailed me back in January of this year.  So, since this January, I am learning alot about him as an adult me.

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don't give the old man any time or encouragement -- don't let him into your life under any circumstances -- he is toxic.


Thanks and thanks so more.  I always felt that way.  For some reason, my grandmother always told me that it was *her fault* that my father and I had no relationship.  My aunt tells me that he is a *good man* and it is all my mother's fault.  But actions are actions.  Everyone in my family seems to have a hidden agenda.  I sometimes don't want to have anything to do with any of them.  

But my brother (interesting idea, CG) is someone I don't know at all.  Might be good to see what he's like.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2004, 08:36:03 AM »
Dawning, hiya, read your post above yesterday and it’s been niggling away not at the back of my mind, but sort of swimming around the middle, “do something P” like that. Bit of guilt on my part for not talking with you so much of late. Feel like I’m ignoring a friend. If it feels like that to you, I’m sorry.

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I've never talked about my dad much. My mother took advantage of him and he, in return, took advantage of me. The buried memories are just starting to surface. If anyone knows a good board where I can hash this out, please let me know.

Um, guess you might know what I want to say? This is a great board (ha ha ha hic! it’s the only board I know! Apart from the old surviving trauma one and I don’t go there). ‘Emotional survival’ means what we want it to mean I think. So….you want to bring out some buried memories? Want to talk about tricky stuff and get feedback on what happened to you, how you saw it then, how you see it now, make some sense out of it? I think this is a great board.

Sometimes I’ve had the thought that hey, I’d really like to ask X Board Member what they make of this. I’d particularly value their opinion coz I think they’d understand, or they’ve had what seems like a similar experience. But I haven’t. Because it would seem to me like I’m imposing on them, putting them on the spot. And of course, other members might wonder why I didn’t ask them. Messy! So with the nature of the board, I haven’t done that. I’ve asked for a little advice on PM, but nothing big. And with PM it’s difficult if you need second, third etc opinions and to me, the more opinions on a difficult subject, the better.

What am I trying to say with lots of explanation? I’m trying to say: please say it here. Why not? That’s the question. Why not? Is there some reason you feel/think you don’t want to say it here? No answer necessary. Just want to encourage you.

Half-brothers. Lots of real life personal facts  :D coming up! I have three of them, plus an ex-step-brother and an ex-step-sister. Ex? Well, my step-dad (their father) is dead, so I feel they don’t have a link to me any more. Even though my mother is their step-mother! (I shake my head, I only recently conceived of the idea that she is a step-mother. I mean, she’s not exactly my idea of a ‘mother’ so to think beyond that has been a mental leap! And because she didn’t live with them, it seems a remote definition.)

My half-brothers. I do call them half-brothers because we share half genes. Maybe I’d call them brothers if we’d lived together? And our parents had treated us all the same? Probably. But my brothers, if I had any, would be my mother’s children, and that would make our relationship very different. All three of my half-brothers are my father’s children, but by two different mothers. Want to see my family tree? Ha ha, might make it easier. All three are younger than me.

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He is also my father's only child from his 2nd marriage.
Ditto. My estranged HB is also the eldest of them. I haven’t seen him in about 20+ years. Don’t know where he is. Could try and find him. Not sure of the reception etc etc all sorts of stuff I don’t want to talk about. Not to do with me, to do with him, his mother. A very disturbed lady. Anyway, this HB also has two HBs of his own – his mother’s children by previous marriage. Ha ha! They were once my step-brothers too! More ex-step-brothers to add in. Ex by divorce though, not by death. Plus an ex-step-mother too. I guess you have one of those too D? The remaining two HBs are, I think, my ‘family’, although distanced by age, place and so on. Their mother is my current (current!) step-mother and she’s okay. She’s pretty cool, I like her.

Relating to these people who are my extended blood family is interesting. The physical resemblances make it easier to connect. There’s an immediate, unspoken sort of acceptance. But I don’t trust that. It’s just biology. Finding out what they’re like as people is fun. I would like to ‘find’ my lost HB. Maybe I will. What would we talk about? What’s my motivation? I wonder about these things.

I am an only child and I grew up alone. Ain’t that strange when I look at that fractured family tree? Why strange? Because I tried to explain it to friends, growing up, and they thought I was different. They had brothers, sisters, mum and dad. They told me it was strange to them, so I guess to be their friend, accepted as part of their group, their tribe, I had to agree that it was strange. But really, it isn’t. I’m still an ‘only child’ in the sense that that is how I was raised, my experiences.

Anyway, that’s why I use the HB expression. It’s accurate for me, a half-sister and ex-step-sister to different people who between them have no blood ties and will probably never meet.

Back to you Dawning. Want to talk about any triangulating in the family? Scapegoating, victimising, persecuting. Who used whom and maybe how the using shifted about, or perhaps only seemed to shift about - but just maybe always ended up with one prime abused person, usually the one least able to defend herself…

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I said my name and I had to repeat it 5 times before he realized it was me.
I was so sad for you D when I read that. I wanted to slap him, quite hard. It might connect then in his small brain to hear your voice, feel the slap and remember who you are. Like a Pavlovian response thing. Or maybe I just wanted to slap him, no excuses, no explanation.  :twisted: Yeah! :shock:  :D