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englishgirl

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Should I cut my family out of my life?
« on: May 23, 2009, 12:00:28 PM »
Hi Everyone,

I’m new to this site and hope that by reading some posts and creating my own post, that I might gain some insight into the problems I have experienced within my family all of my life, problems which are leading me to consider cutting them out of my life entirely.

That is not a choice I make lightly and have spent days looking at every angle, because I am aware of the consequences.  I guess, I am hoping to find some kind of solution that will enable me to maintain some sort of contact, even if it’s only a few times a year.

To be honest, I am not entirely sure that the problems reside only with my siblings and wonder, do I contribute to it, without knowing?

A few examples:  One sister who died recently, had been using my identity while I lived overseas, when I discovered this and asked her nicely, several times to stop it, she continued using my name, until I was advised by my older sister that the only way to stop her, was threaten legal action.  I did.  The response? I had broken her heart and betrayed her by threatening to take legal action. I admit I was very angry at the time and said things I probably should not have said, but felt somewhat justified given the circumstances.  She never spoke to me again, never apologized or admitted doing wrong and her husband excluded me from her funeral based on this.

My older sister didn’t speak to me for 5 yrs, because I had asked her daughter to keep her overseas phone calls short while she was staying in my home as a guest with her boyfriend.  My niece sulked for 2 days, wouldn’t respond when I said, good morning and stayed in the guest room complaining to her boyfriend and her mother via, my telephone.  Her interpretation of my request was: that I was inferring that she was a ‘ponce’ by using my phone. I explained that was not the case, I simply had to watch my budget.  Her response? ‘now you’re telling me that I don’t understand budgets’.  I gave up in frustration after several of those defensive responses. She and her boyfriend both had mobiles, yet used my home phone for several calls overseas.  I understand its’ expensive to use a mobile for such calls, but didn’t think it unreasonable to request that she keep any further calls short.  All attempts by me and my daughter to solve the problem failed and in the end I did get angry with her.  I came home from work one day to find she and her boyfriend had left.  No note to say thanks for having us and lending us your car, nothing.

Her mother, my older sister, had been communicating with her daughter about this, yet never acknowledge any problem when communicating with me, instead she complained bitterly to my younger sister, who in turn, informed me of all the nasty things being said.

Now 5 yrs later, we have been communicating again.  At first she was hesitant, feeling she couldn’t ‘forgive me’ for this problem – created by her daughter.  She seemed to get past that.  We were in almost daily contact, until a few weeks ago, when once again, she stopped communicating without explanation, other than a few mysterious hints: ‘nobody is fooled by your daughter’, and ‘people forget about you if you don’t keep in regular contact’.

Neither of those comments made any sense to me, I have no idea what they mean, other than, she obviously feels that I do not contact her often enough for her liking.  She contacts me several times a week, I respond to her texts and call her once a week.

I suspect she is resentful of my daughter because she was not invited to her wedding.  How could she invite an aunt who was not talking to her mother and harboured resentment and anger.

All of my sisters, issue ultimatums, if you don’t do what they want, they are going to fall out with you, forget you, or cut you off.  There’s no reasoning with any of them.  If I eventually get angry in response, I’m cut off for being angry.  If I don’t respond at all, I’m left waiting for years until communication starts up again, instigated by them.

I am sick of feeling that I have to obey some kind of secret rules that they have or be shunned, then picked up again when it suits them.  Part of me feels that I should treat my sister's recent tantrum lightly, call her and ask directly, what the problem is, but past experience has taught me, that she stays angry for a very long time and has be known to hang up on you when you do attempt to sort out the problem.

Is there any other way of dealing with this, other than, cutting them out of my life entirely?  Thanks, Englishgirl.
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Re: Should I cut my family out of my life?
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2009, 12:35:06 PM »
Dear (((Englishgirl))))
 I have NC after trying very hard to avoid it.  To have a relationship with my parents is to deny reality.
 Reality is skewed and I paid the price by almost losing my mind.
 It is a decision like jumping out of a sinking boat. It is painful any way you look at it.However, it is death to stay.
     Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Should I cut my family out of my life?
« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2009, 12:50:55 PM »
Thanks Ami.  I'm almost there, ready to pull the plug, but obviously still feel there's some other way that I haven't yet discovered, to save these relationships, without causing any more pain to myself.  I actually, do not understand my own obssessive thinking about them - ie. trying to understand them, trying to figure out a way of making it work, going round and round in never ending circles and coming back to the same place - anger at this treatment from them.  Why do I do that, when I know, they are not going to change.  Why do I almost always end up feeling like crap, like there's something really wrong with me, that I can't get along with them?  How come I never think, why can't THEY get along with me?  Though I must say it's the first time I've had the latter thought, so maybe I am on the way to shutting them out.  Thanks again for your encouragement.
Englisdhgirl.
P.S. do you know how I can get my email address off my profile?  I ticked the box to say 'hide' email address.
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Re: Should I cut my family out of my life?
« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2009, 12:58:02 PM »
Hi Englishgirl
 Your e mail address is only seen by you. I had the same thing and joined and rejoined 4 times before I figured it out.
 Why do we stay?
 For me, I could not accept the stark reality of how bad it was. If I blamed myself, I did not have to see them as they really were. It is a process of facing truth.
 Have you read Sam Vaknin's book----Malignant Self Love. This book opened my eyes to how hopeless it was to think my M would ever be anything but a true NPD.
 Sometimes, it is so painful I think I will go out of my skin.Then, I pray and God will send me peace.       Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
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Re: Should I cut my family out of my life?
« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2009, 12:58:26 PM »
Hi English girl:

I think the communication style in your family means it won't get better. If you were all in the same town and everyone was motivated to go through family therapy together, and everybody was equally interested in psychology, and how to create healthy selves and healing relationships, I'd say...certainly, keep trying.

The reality of it though sounds like that's about as likely as you having a vacation cottage on Mars.

Your family makes you, literally, "feel sick".

The hard part about making a decision like that it is an amputation that our culture and perhaps our deep animal selves on some level, say...we can't do. We must stay attached in some way to our biological brethren.

I would look to animals to see if there is a wide range of diversity about this. And there is. Although the major model may be ongoing kinship, there are species (and exceptions within species) in which the herd or flock or gaggle does not hold. Individuals break away--either normally upon adulthood because that's what this species does--or because it's a sick herd, or something.

You don't have to be a wildebeest.

But, as you are already grappling with, you will have to grieve the loss of hope.

The only comforting thing I can say is that as horrible as it may feel in the short term to abandon hope, I think with toxic people (whether they are relatives or not)--abandoning hope is the most life-affirming thing you can do.

It takes a while. Hope for family bonds is not only our socialization/cultural programming, etc., but it is persistent. It's reinforced all around us as what is normal.

Giving it up. Fully letting it go...is freedom to live a larger life. You may find support for this in some writers. Look for people who seem to have released some assumptions that the Hallmark industry specializes in. Look for those who perhaps meditate, who have developed a larger sense of the mystery and possibilities of life.

Don't look to popular culture, or TV, or magazines, to tell you what is valuable. Look to your heart.

Is stewing about the capricious and unkind behavior of your siblings creating a lovely life?

What would going through the grief, and really letting go, do to you?

Would you be uncertain and lost and hurt for a while? Would you feel bitter?

Maybe. Probably.

But when it becomes not a decision driven by drama, but coming from a calmer more solid place within you, then it's not the raising of a drawbridge. It's just a simple turning away.

You turn away from what hurts you, harms your peace, inserts pain into your heart, and shows no sign whatsoever of being resolvable.

You turn away, and turn to explore something new.

You ask if you have contributed to these communication problems? Probably. If they learned sick stuff in your family, and their genes made them more likely to turn out the way they have and treat you the way they do...your own learning in your family and your own draw of the genes, has had some other result.

But so what. It's not about blame. It's about what works.

You are working to decide what works for you.

(If you do decide to turn away--note, that's much less dramatic than "cut my family out of my life"--just a new habit, a regular decision, to turn away from what harms you--then you'll have a scary new space open up.)

That space is what family you will now have room to create. As in, new friendships, new identities, new experiences. Therapy? Support groups? Spiritual practice? A nontraditional church (I say that because most churches support the idea that we must stay connected to biofamily)? Volunteer things? A cause?

Sorry for rambling...I'm being lazy and avoiding stuff.

Hops
PS--what happens after an amputation of a diseased limb is, the person lives.

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Re: Should I cut my family out of my life?
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2009, 03:14:38 PM »
First my reply to Ami.  Thanks for the news about the email address.  I will look for the book you mention.

Hops!  Thank you, a well thought out response which reflected a number of things I'd been thinking - in between obsessing about these problems:) 

The one thing I do know is, that as a 'family' my sisters and I, are toxic to each other.  to some extent I can see how I play my part:  The 'game' that started in childhood was - my mother would stop talking to us if we had/had not done something she didn't like. She never gave a reason, and if asked, she would say 'you should know'.  She had favorites who could do no wrong - the two boys in the family.  The girls could rarely do anything right.

Quite often our crime would be, that we spoke kindly to my father, whom she hated.  They lived in the same house, but she would not talk to him for years.  When my mother would freeze us out, she would enlist our siblings to join her - scapegoatting.  It was a dreadful feeling but a very powerful game to watch, she had the power, and it came from being mean and nasty - in the most ladlylike way I have to add! my father had no power, despite being a nice guy, he didn't deal with her well and instead, would blow up in a fury after being goaded by her relentlessly, hence putting himself in the position of appearing to be 'the bad guy'.

That game still plays out to greater or lesser extents.  One sister will get angry with another, won't talk to them, closes down completely, then turns to another sister - not to seek help in solving the problem, but to character assasinate the one they are upset with.  Scapegoatting.

I have lived a long way away from home for 30 yrs., and on my return, resolved not to get involved in any sort of gossip or nasty talk, or taking sides - scapegoatting.  However, at times, I have found myself slipping and getting into a bit of gossip with my older sister when she has found fault with the others.  It annoys me that I do it so unconsciously, then regret it later.  At times I remember my resolve and refuse to engage in it, which causes other problems, i.e. irritation and anger, because I'm not playing the game and it's the way we relate!

I know most people have a  bit of a gossip and vent in this manner to avoid confrontation, but it's more than that with my family, they hold on to their bitterness and anger, build upon it, never let it go, taking revenge for things they 'imagined' you did to them,  so that there is always an underlying nastiness that eventually seeps out and sours the relationship and so the circle continues.

I did ask myself, why am I engaging with them?  I am almost always tense in their company, waiting for the other shoe to drop, can't relax and just have fun, don't feel I can trust them etc. and the answer is - yes, it is unacceptable in our culture to turn your back on your family.  To not want to engage with them.  So it's time for me to shed cultural values which are destructive.  I love meditation and will pursue that again, enjoy the friends I have, follow up on courses I want to do.  So Hopalong, you've confirmed my thoughts - basically, get on with my life and leave behind people who cause pain.  Bless you, many thanks, Englishgirl

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Re: Should I cut my family out of my life?
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 01:54:24 PM »
Dear EnglishGirl,
Your family members abouse you and then blame you for the abuse. It is much like a girl being raped and saying she asked for it by looking pretty.
But somehow they do warp us to believe that we had a part in our abuse.
I am glad you can see that you are not the instigator, and that your responses were healthy and normal - protective of yourself. How can a sibling steal your identity and then be mad at you for making her stop???? How can another rack up hundreds in phone bills frivolously and expect you to deal with it??? Would you ever do that to another person? No decent person would...
I have also been blamed for like situations within my family. I am the "uptight" one. I no longer let them have hold over me and I have set boundaries. I have not cut off contact - I would love to cut off contact with my mother, but to do so I would lose my relationship with my father.
If you are able to cut contact, I would believe this would be good for you. I agree with Hops that there will not be a good relationship between any of you.
Glad you are here and please post more.
Love, Beth
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Re: Should I cut my family out of my life?
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 02:23:58 PM »


First time 'Hi'  :) EG,

Fighting to the end trying to find meaningful family cohesiveness where none exists,  seems counter productive.  Acting on what we know as truth and breaking free is the hard part, isn't it?  It's not easy giving up the dream of having real family where we can have healthy real family experiences.  The emotional toll of breaking away is hard.  Staying engaged is hard too.  I think  talking it out here will be helpful.  Sometimes shaking it all down takes more time than we're prepared to give willingly.  But in the end, time holds the answer.

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