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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #31 on: August 28, 2009, 01:32:37 PM »
I discovered something today in a discussion on another board about the difference between being positive and being in denial.

I grew up on a world of denial.  Not just my family but their  broader community.  The happy go lucky world of the affluent in my childhood was actually a world of denial.  By my teens, there was a seething underworld or real anger and rage broiling to eruption.  I truly hated the smiley face, "everything is great" attitude of so many of my mother's friends, an attitude that their daughters now live veneered to their personas. 

For so long, their happy-go-lucky attitude led me to disparage positive thinking, unable to see the distinction between denial and being positive.  Part of that came from the many admonitions to "smile", "be positive" regardless of what might be going on in my life. 

Finally, I see something important about this happy face veneer - in the world of denial, where all is right and all that is wrong is repressed, supressed, dismissed - there is no empathy, no acknowledgement of reality from which a positive approach might be selected over the option of negative.  In denial no true empathy can exist because reality doesn't exist.  And - the cunclusion that popped out at me at last is that without empathy - there is - well - narcissism.  No wonder I have been angry about life in denial for so long.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #32 on: August 30, 2009, 12:39:20 AM »
I learned this morning that my father is in the hospital.  Has been for 3 or 4 days. 

His sister, with whom he does not speak called my mother from whom he has been divorced for 20 years.  She didn't call my brother or me.  Some of his cousins have been to visit him.  His new wife (whose house backs up to mine - through some woods) told my brother that she hadn't had time to call us.

Noone bothered to let my brother or me know. I feel such rage.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #33 on: August 30, 2009, 08:38:38 AM »
Strength,

I have wanted to write and tell you how enjoyable this thread has been when I have been able to come to the board.

Then I saw your last post...I am so sorry.  This is way below the belt and so hurtful.  I wish I could give some comfort to get you through these days---I went through something similar with my mom many, many years ago, and it still hurts....so I dont think I am much comfort.  But know that I am thinking of you as you navigate this difficult time.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #34 on: August 31, 2009, 09:36:59 AM »
Yes you are a comfort CB.  More than you can know - simply by acknowledging my apparent pain.

The greatest fear as a child, the very unacknowledged fear that kept me tied in to that man whom I only saw as perfection, was the fear of being rejected.  I bent over backwards, tied myself into a dysfunctional pretzel so that I could connect to my father.  I would have done anything.  The fear of rejection of a parent is hardwired in.  As an infant it is an issue of physical survival.  That need lingers on as some sort of shadow of psychic survival.  That rejection began decades ago but it is none-the-less painful and controlling still to this day.

I am working on, tapping on that double-bind that still seizes me wholebodily, the damned if you do and damned if you don't paralysis that sends my adrenals into overdrive when I feel the assault ramp up.  The so all aloness that I feel was actually the result of an intended manipulation by my father and mother.  The learned helplessness was an intended conditioning by that man who rejected me when I was born.  Only it took me so long to pull the veil off of what I thought was "family." 

The pain is still raw and the rage as strong as when first felt.  But today I keep the fans flames so that my attention will no longer allow this pain to be repressed in hopes that it will slip away - IT DOESN'T.  It must be cut out like a cancer and that takes unabated attention and acknowledgement.

I have chosen to go into the fire and not come out until I have excised the cruel brokenness of parental rejection and sabotage.  It was a crime against nature and while there are worse crimes against humanity, this crime claimed much of my life.  I am ready to move out of being a victim and into overcoming.  Even after all of this time, it is still scary.


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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #35 on: August 31, 2009, 10:53:40 AM »
My mother's manipulations had little effect on me.  I saw through her veneer.  I dismissed her psychologically and worked to get out of her house as soon as possible.  I begged to go to boarding school for 4 years - to no avail.  Mind you my parents and brothers all went.  That is one of the fundamentally bizarre aspects of my N parents.  They kept me on a short tether as long as they could and then silently, unceremoniously - dumped me.

The trap was with my father.  I tied myself into a pretzel trying to conform to his preferences.  Not that he enumerated them = it was more of conforming by dodging the things he criticized and condemned - and they were many.  I wanted to conform to his preferences.  I longed for the notice.  Had I only understood what he was doing then I could have dismissed him as I did my mother and have selected the important values that would have been life giving rather than life depleting.

Now I am peeling back the memories and examining where I opted for my father against myself for his implied promise that he would direct me correctly rather than lead me to the cliffs edge and throw me a biscuit to leap off after.

I was duped.  Over and over and over.  By the very person who gave me life and whom I tied myself to psychicly.  The pain in inexorible, horrific.  In order to survive I have been repressing this pain rather than wading into it.  I must reverse course and drive full force into the pain and find my own core at each and every juncture where I left my soul behind because the man who was my father promised me better by trusting him to help me make better choices.  It all was a lie and I am still paying for his betrayal - each and every day.

The pain of going back in is indescribable but I wouldn't even attempt it anywhere else. 

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #36 on: August 31, 2009, 11:01:19 AM »
My mother's manipulations had little effect on me.  I saw through her veneer.  I dismissed her psychologically and worked to get out of her house as soon as possible.  I begged to go to boarding school for 4 years - to no avail.  Mind you my parents and brothers all went.  That is one of the fundamentally bizarre aspects of my N parents.  They kept me on a short tether as long as they could and then silently, unceremoniously - dumped me.

The trap was with my father.  I tied myself into a pretzel trying to conform to his preferences.  Not that he enumerated them = it was more of conforming by dodging the things he criticized and condemned - and they were many.  I wanted to conform to his preferences.  I longed for the notice.  Had I only understood what he was doing then I could have dismissed him as I did my mother and have selected the important values that would have been life giving rather than life depleting.

Now I am peeling back the memories and examining where I opted for my father against myself for his implied promise that he would direct me correctly rather than lead me to the cliffs edge and throw me a biscuit to leap off after.

I was duped.  Over and over and over.  By the very person who gave me life and whom I tied myself to psychicly.  The pain in inexorible, horrific.  In order to survive I have been repressing this pain rather than wading into it.  I must reverse course and drive full force into the pain and find my own core at each and every juncture where I left my soul behind because the man who was my father promised me better by trusting him to help me make better choices.  It all was a lie and I am still paying for his betrayal - each and every day.

The pain of going back in is indescribable but I wouldn't even attempt it anywhere else. 

What happened with your F is what happened with my M. The pain IS horrible but under it are the doors which open and show the way out. It is happening for me but it is slow and you really need people to  hold you up as you go through it, iME.
They have to be people who have been there and are not afraid of the pain or else they will shutyou  down.
                        Ami
No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.        Eleanor Roosevelt

Most of our problems come from losing contact with our instincts,with the age old wisdom stored within us.
   Carl Jung

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2009, 12:33:39 PM »
Thank you Ami.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #38 on: August 31, 2009, 12:49:02 PM »
As I find myself reacting in the present to emotional binding that first happened decades ago, I find myself slipping into a time warp of the child who was powerless to protect myself from small injustices.  That powerlessness sends me into rage and ironically self-destructive behavior - an unleashing of behavior that is nothing short of cutting off my nose to spite my face, not thought out behavior and not even impulsive but explosive, unbridled, untempered and uncontrolable anger and yelling.

The child took it.  She had no choice and no safeharbor to hide in, no place to seek solace.  The normal channels of solace were the most dangerous, most booby-trapped, snake laden places of all.  Reporting poor treatment from outsiders would open up the valves of mistreatment and belittling and humiliation from the inside.

I slip into a place of resentment of my peers.  We had the resources but it was a crazy world in which those resources were not available to me.  I was like a servant in my own home, partaking of the wealth and finery only vicariously - because I "worked" in the home only for me it was because I "lived" in the home but I never, ever belonged.  None of it would be for me, would belong to me, would be available to me.

I built barriers of opportunity around me just as the baby elephant learns to be bound by a string.  It was follly for my father to teach me to be bound, to strip away opportunities to have access to financial wellbeing because he lead me that way.  He lead me that way so that he could have ultimate control over me and when that controll was only partial he then complete abandoned me.  All done without a word, without explanation, and without understanding on my part.  It has been a slow and painstaking journey to come to understand how I got to where I am.

Why can't I unload and reload the dishwasher? Because I will not do it the right way.  Something will be wrong and the verbal, emotional toll is too great to try.  Doing nothing keeps me off the radar screen and that saves me from the humiliations and demonstration of my powerlessness.  All of that is a string but the memory of the pain is so great and the excruciating pain experienced at the release of adrenaline is so great that I remain in that trap.

Now is the time for finding my way out.  I must go in to get out. Find a way to circumvent the adrenoline charge that renders me stuck on rage - that self-defeating rage that sends me burrowing in after.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #39 on: August 31, 2009, 01:06:40 PM »
The child does not want out of the comforts and special treatments of belonging to a family of means and position.  Resentment is a powerful force.  Belonging, longing for belonging is a powerful binding force.  Longing for justice is a powerful binding force.

All of these binds must be broken.  Keep eye on prize.  Beatings and humiliation are small price to pay to get to the other side.  The beatings and humiliations will not last.  That path is short and then there is freedom.  Freedom is worth enduring some extreme pains rather than putting up with tolerable lower level pains for a long, long time.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #40 on: August 31, 2009, 01:28:57 PM »
Gaining Strength,

Until I read your post, I never encountered another ACON who reacted to their mother the way my husband did. Well, unless you count his siblings too. Both of his parents fully qualify as Ns. My husband's mother is a pathological liar, and her children apparently learned early not to believe a word she said. My husband's attitude was always, "oh that's just mother," which I found completely confusing, being an adult child of a narcissistic mother myself ... I couldn't understand how he could write her off so completely (although I was completely envious of his ability!). His father though was another story. He really has had a hard time standing up to his dad. Somehow though with both of his parents, from an early age my husband understood the concept of Limited Contact. When we were younger I felt so bad for them that he never called. For awhile I would call my mother in law once a week out of feeling bad for her because my husband didn't call. I finally figured out what a pathological liar she is and that simply having a phone call with her was an opportunity for her to lie about what I said to sisters in law etc.

Now all the siblings and their spouses communicate directly with one another. When we were younger the N MIL kept drama going by stirring up trouble between us. We are all in our late 30s and late 40s and finally figured out that we needed to just TALK TO EACH OTHER.

I find it very very curious that out of four kids, none of them appear to be narcissistic. My husband was the Golden Child and it was as hard on him as it was on the Un-golden children. If the Golden Child has any sense, he/she knows that he has one foot over "the cliff" and the other foot on a banana peel with the N parents. All it takes is for him to screw up. And of course everybody screws up. When he was in his 20s, my husband had to deal with a lot of guilt and remorse for the way he treated his siblings  when he was a teen. He said he was so intolerant and well, basically N. But he matured out of that.

Occasionally, to be brutally honest, I can see some N problems with my husband. But this is not really WHO he is. One time I told him he was being "mean" about something and he absolutely went ballistic. Apparently the word "mean" is a trigger word for him. I never encountered that side of him (either before or since). When I say ballistic I don't mean abusive or anything, he just got really angry. Generally speaking, he just has a lot of self-confidence, but he also has the capacity to reflect and to see when he's been wrong. Sometimes it takes longer than I would like, but he does reflect on his own behavior.

After reading your post, GS, I realize that the family dynamics when BOTH parents are Ns are 'way different than when there's only N. Not necessarily better or worse, because in the one-N families the other parent probably is just as dysfunctional just in a different way. But in two-N families, maybe it's a choice between "sick" and "deathly ill" parents. Kids might learn to choose sick over deathly ill. But now I hear you saying, GS, that eventually you realize that the "merely sick" parent is not trustworthy either! And since you've put all your eggs in that basket, so to speak, it is particularly nasty to have to face that truth.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #41 on: August 31, 2009, 02:41:53 PM »
HeartofPilgrimage - Love reading what you have written.  I have noticed from reading other ACON's postings that there is a clear difference between those with one N parent and those with 2. 

But oddly enough - my father, who has been diagnosed with full blown NPD was the parent who spent time with me but whose effect was much more debilitating than my mother.  My mother merely has N tendencies, but she spent zero time with me, taught me nothing, never did mother things with me, never bought makeup for me or discussed "girl" things - about female bodies or feminine issues - love, hate, friends, college, marriage - nadda, nothing.  Not that my father did either but he did teach me things - activities, particularly sports, and values (that is an iffy word in this context).  But I did notice early on as a young adult that all the things that he once had an interest in were dropped shortly after I picked them up.  Only as an adult did I understand how bizarrely odd that was.  But now I know - he would flee from any possibility of "connection".

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #42 on: August 31, 2009, 06:42:09 PM »
Or fleeing any possibility that you would be better than him at it.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #43 on: August 31, 2009, 10:14:14 PM »
Yes - that's right - or fleeing the possibility that I might be better at it.

How sad.  I would love for my son to take up any of my interests.   I would love to see him excell beyond my capability.  I still long for someone to help me develop my gifts. - Not to be though.

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I am pushing myself to do somethings that have been on my list for many years - house sort of things.  But I am doing it with a different psychological presence.  Being fully present to the intersection of today and yesterday and the neurological response that is attached to yesterday even though it is acting out today.  I am letting the things I need to do trigger the reactions from yesteryear so that I can rewire my brain.

There are so many layers to overcoming this.  There is the fear of repeated failure.  Starting to clean triggers a physiological response that is unconscious.  I am trying to bring this unconscious compulsive non-action into my consciousness.  connect my present inaction or volatile reaction to the humiliation that was heaped on me as a child for trying to follow my heart, trying to become me, trying to fulfill my hearts desire. 

Panic - ther is anxiety and panic underneath it all.  Learning to stay with the task and allow the panic and anxiety to flow past without sweeping my up in it.  Do it over and over until it takes over - cleaning without letting the anxiety and panic take over.  Exercise until the panic and anxiety flow past.  And the list goes on.

It attaches to going to sleep, getting my business operational, getting some reading done, paying bills and on and on - all of the anxiety provoking issues.  Actively pursue these things without slipping in to paralysis in order to elude the panic/anxiety and the wretched feeling of the adrenaline dripping, leaching out causing that horrid spent, fatigue and anger.

Each success will build on previous successes.  I can do it.  I have made progress in other areas.  This is the last frontier - the last hold out.  I can do this one.  I can.

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Re: Mother of wildness seeking calm out of madness
« Reply #44 on: August 31, 2009, 11:16:11 PM »
 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Yes, you can. I know it!

xxxxoooo

sleepy but happy for you GS!

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