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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2009, 10:04:19 AM »
woops, wrong button..

the wiring in my brain us just so distorted. I imagine back before my earliest memories, from birth to age 3, and think about how it probably was. Being born to a woman who had no earthly clue what to do with her own life, let alone that of a newborn boy. She was, at 20yrs old still wrestling with her own father's ghastly behavior and her mother's preffering her brother over her. On top of that dealing with an alcoholic, violent, lazy husband who had his own deep family issues, was just so much stress that whatever she could do to silence me was going to happen. She didn't do this with malice and forethought probably, its just all she knew. It was the basic nature she learned.

That being said, I do feel pity and sympathy for her but I still have to cut myself off. What do I have to lose at this point. I feel so much like Job right now, just waiting and waiting for a conversion of some kind. A switch to flip if you will.

Back to the brain wiring thing. My addiction to me is just so powerful. I move from moment to moment, place to place with my own desires firmly in my thoughts. The next cigarette, drink of soda, etc. Whatever, I'm doing takes absolute top priority. Its like crack or meth I suppose. The energy it takes to break this cycle is so heavy. One positive out of it, I've cut alcohol cold turkey. I know in my soul if I take another drink, I will most probably not recover to give this a chance to take hold.

Thanks again Ami, and everyone else for your input, thoughts and prayers.

Waiting on an angel,

RS

Wow what a pity party this sounds like but just my reality.

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2009, 10:09:51 AM »
NO it is NOT a pity party. You are opening up the faucet to your heart and soul that has been shut for so long. It is embracing the light every time you talk!
 Wiring is the brain and distortions are ideas.
 Your wiring seems as good as mine but your distortions are ideas you have held for so long that they  seem totally true. They seemed true for the little kid to survive but don't work now.They kept you alive b/c they were a way to make sense of the craziness of your life.
 The only way to see them is to keep talking(Pity party be damned!)                Ami
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #32 on: August 14, 2009, 01:04:59 PM »
Polymath:

Did you meet with your new Therapist yet?

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #33 on: August 14, 2009, 01:20:49 PM »
mo2,

Our first meeting was Wednesday and we meet again next Thursday.

This morning I thought for a few minutes about the definition of normal. IMHO it would be a thought process that primarily moves from the present moment to the next moment without obsessive second-guessing. Of course we all think about the past and future but normally this would be secondary thought. Normal would also be a continuous thought and action pattern that isn't stopped in its tracks with thoughts of either 'what do people think of me, or a past or future event. Like rereading a sentence you are sure you typed correctly two or three times just to make sure it was right.

Most people I know, at least in public, don't obsess about things. I do. When I want something, anything, a cigarette, that MP3 player on the other side of the room, or a person's attention, its like I have tunnel vision till I get it. It takes mucho energy to stay in the moments between the thought and getting it. I know this is the result of being spoiled so totally as a child and it is my battle.

Does anyone have that type of obession?


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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #34 on: August 14, 2009, 01:43:12 PM »
Dear Polymath
 I think what you described---obsessive thinking--can be really scary but I think it is just  the distortions clamoring for you to listen. It is the unhealed past trying to get you to face it, look at it.
 When it is faced---straight on--it can leave .Then you will be dealing with the present as you are desiring.
 However, it hurts to look at it and  talk about it b/c there is a lot of shame i.e. I am BAD.
 This part hurts so much we don't want to even look at it let alone share it but sharing it is just the thing that dispels it like a ghost.
 I am finding that.
        Ami
 
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #35 on: August 14, 2009, 02:40:20 PM »
Polymath:

You seem very aware (and honest) about your thought process, and desire for change.

The therapist probably got a good deal of information from you Wednesday.

What did he/she say, and how did you interpret it?

Mo2

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #36 on: August 14, 2009, 02:47:49 PM »
Hi Poly.

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When I want something, anything, a cigarette, that MP3 player on the other side of the room, or a person's attention, its like I have tunnel vision till I get it. It takes mucho energy to stay in the moments between the thought and getting it. I know this is the result of being spoiled so totally as a child

What if you're not completely right?

What if it's only partly environment (the spoiling).

What if it might ALSO be something about your brain wiring, as you suggest? (No value judgement to that, you know.) What I'm getting at is, a lot of people aren't cued in exactly the same way, don't focus in the same way, don't process things in the same way.

The culture's diagnosis-happy, acronym-happy, "disability-label" happy. The thing about such diagnoses is, though, it can be such a RELIEF to learn there may be something different about the way your mind works. That can mean...a solution! Something you can LEARN to offset your instinctive methods.

It would be wonderful to be thoroughly evaluated for things like: Adult ADD, Asperger's, OCD, etc. No idea if any of these would fit you but if you remove the judgment, sometimes some of these patterns spotted by a well-trained pschologist can be the key to healing.

That's what you deserve. Healing.

Hops
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #37 on: August 14, 2009, 05:06:49 PM »


Hi Polymath,

Re:  OCD, I found this man's story interesting.  http://www.aolhealth.com/condition-center/anxiety-disorder/dealing-with-ocd/

tt


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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #38 on: August 15, 2009, 12:02:47 AM »
hi again PM

I don't see you as a hopeless case.  You have admitted that it is all about getting back to you, BUT you have also stepped back and have listened to an exchange between two people who are on the same wave length. I could suggest that you attempt to understand the inner workings/thoughts of your wife and children, and attempt the same.

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from my very earliest memory I have had to keep my private and public selves separate. When a child can't get some kind of decent attention from an adult in their young lives,

That quote is the beginning of many personality disorders and I expect it depends on how the child reacts as to which direction is taken. For one thing, a parent ought to enter the child's world and see it from his point of view, i.e. teaching from the beginning, sitting on the floor, or at least at his 'level', colours, numbers, games, words, reading, sing-songs and ask the child questions, listen to his answers and store that into memory for the future. If a child has a certain talent, then read up on that talent and learn as much as you can and then the two of you could have the back and forth conversations that you would like to have.....each taking his turn to speak. Taking this route to the nth degree is good for the child. He knows you are interested in him and his well being.  All the focus is not to be on you, and not on the child, but how the two of you relate as father and child. The child ought to never have to "go up into the adult world" to look for recognition.

As well, what is your wife's favourite topic, talent, ...again take an interest in that and her and have discussions about individual feelings and a mutual conversation about the topic. In this way you will learn likes and dislkes and try to remember to not present her with only the dislikes.

Right now the important people are you, your wife and your children. You CAN share some of your private thoughts should the occasion arise that something happens NOW to one of them, that happened to you as a child, and you can say it hurt you, or you cried, or you laughed, whatever, after asking whoever how HE feels about what just happened. No two people are going to perceive a situation in the exact same way.

Just as no two children who were ignored, were unloved, etc. in childhood are going to react in the very same way. My sister sees the beatings of our father as just that, and doesn't talk of any harm it did to her. I, on the other hand, have a more sensitive personality, and I took those beatings, AND my mother not stopping them, as direct disapproval {hatred} of me and there was never any closeness............not even when they were dying. My sister and I are in our 70s (oh no I am, she is 69 in Sept). See how long it took for us to try to connect, and this is from a dysfunctional family of 5 siblings all raised the same way. One sister is a Narcissist, another is an intellectual golfer [she says she lives her life the way she golfs]and since I don't golf, I know nothing about her.

Well it sounds as though I have been preaching here while I was attempting to have you see that being interested in another person, and sharing thoughts and ideas, on different topics might be a good way to start, and perhaps your feelings will meld together somehow, until you can finally share them with another, that it won't always be about you, but it will be all about your family!

Good Luck
Izzy
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #39 on: August 15, 2009, 07:39:57 AM »
Hi Polymath
 Thinking about you.You know you can share whatver or wherever you want(or not!).               Ami
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #40 on: August 15, 2009, 12:39:44 PM »
Oh, Izzy.

This is good parenting summed up.

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If a child has a certain talent, then read up on that talent and learn as much as you can and then the two of you could have the back and forth conversations that you would like to have.....each taking his turn to speak. Taking this route to the nth degree is good for the child. He knows you are interested in him and his well being.  All the focus is not to be on you, and not on the child, but how the two of you relate....

love,

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #41 on: August 16, 2009, 11:54:36 AM »
Thanks Izzy, that pretty much does sum it up. I've thought long and hard about the different worlds of children and parents and your spot on. When a child is forced to repeatedly enter the adults world for attention and recognition, problems are sure to come.

As crazy as it sounds, thats what happened to me. and probably to most other people with 'mental illness'.  No adult ever got in my world. I always had to go to them. With no sibling to stumble around with, trying to figure things out in our own childlike ways, I just never got a voice. My whole life has been one big 'hey look at me' and after 37 years of fighting that battle I'm running on empty.

My step-father came from crap but he had several siblings. His brother prefers prison because they take care of him (oh how I can relate). His sisters used to tell him to cry so his dad would quit beating him, but he just stiffened his chin and took it. He's a very tough man because if it. He comes home from work, works outside or in his building and my mom stays inside and surfs TV and cleanse her house all OCD like, acting so busy. He doesn't have any friends that visit and he doesn't go anywhere. If I can just get to that level, I think I can make it.

Speaking of levels, its like I never got to level 2. I see normal interaction all around me. People with just the right level of patience to be involved. Not too quick to speak over top others, and not pausing all the time letting conversation pass them by. This all happens in the blink of an eye and takes so much energy to keep up with. I never, never had this modeled for me.

My wife and I had a huge shouting match this morning in front of the kids. She asked where the money thats usually over the dryer was, I told her I didnt know, she said yeah right and it went downhill fast from there. Tons of Fbombs and name calling, she even threw a book at me. I've never struck her and didn't start to. At 6'1" and 210+ I know I'll kill her if I hit her so I went outside, smoked, packed some stuff and left. No one spoke to me as I left except my poor little 3yr old daughter asked me for a hug and a kiss as I left.

THis all really sounds sad but its my reality. My kids act out, have no discipline because my wife and I cant get on the same page. Money's super tight and its just sad. It's my fault for not having the guts to say in the beginning, "I'm not having kids because I know what will happen if I do.' I sat in the dark on the porch 2 nights ago and watched my 9yr old Caleb walking towards the house in the moonlight and started tearing up before he got there, thinking how he, and his siblings didn't ask to brought into the crappy world they're getting but their Mom and Dad just kept drinking, and partying, having unprotected sex and spitting babies out. It really sucks.

Anyway, thanks again everyone for reading and responding with whatever you think helps. If I don't find something that flips this pathological selfish switch off in me soon thats it. Some of us just weren't meant to be here and never outrun the feeling.

RS

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #42 on: August 16, 2009, 12:09:11 PM »
Dear RS
 I know you are very serious about suicide. I can tell that you feelings  are very real  but to me ,  you are not pathologically selfish.
 I think you are probably NOT selfish enough. That is what I am finding about voicelessness.
 It is the opposite of selfish.
 We don't love, honor and respect ourselves in a good way so we always need the outside to build us up. We are so not selfish about our true needs.
  I know about the distortions that can lead to suicide. If you would  trust me a little bit and just stay alive and keep talking, I think you will look back and see that it was not all you thought.            XXOO  Ami

 
 
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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #43 on: August 16, 2009, 12:26:29 PM »
RS,

I also struggle with depression and have had thoughts similar to yours.  One of the things that helps me is to remind myself that I don't want these N's to win!

You are NOT alone here!  We all care!

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Re: At the end of my rope. Now what?
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2009, 02:48:25 PM »
Yeah, I can't let my mom off that easy :). I just need to start over, get independent, put up some boundaries and be tough enough, no matter what to keep on keepin on.