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Lucky

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #15 on: September 03, 2009, 03:23:36 AM »
Thank you all. It seems it's best to keep my mouth shut and not tell my truth.
And what if somebody of the group WANTS to hear my story, is asking me questions about what is happening or is suffering a little bit himself/herself from the N's behavior but still is in the N's camp as well?

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #16 on: September 03, 2009, 07:33:35 AM »
You can choose to respond or not.

Depending on the person asking, relate relevant details in a calm unemotional manner,

or,

tell them you're sorry they're confused but confusion seems to follow the Manipulator like a cloud,

or,

tell them you're sorry they're the chosen target this week, next week/month, it'll be someone else,

or,

tell them you'd like to go into, but you're very busy and can't,

or,

tell them you don't want to go back to that dark place and prefer not to discuss it as you've already moved past it,

or,

explain it in full detail over coffee, without calling for punishment or condemnation of the manipulator.  Let the other person come to their own conclusions, after hearing your truth.

I'm guessing you won't want to discuss it unless someone asks you for your opinion.

That's when people are the best listeners.

Do any of those options appeal to you?

Mo2

ps, the less emotion you express, the more likely your story will be heard.  People tend to trust a level headed unemotional POV, more than an overtly emotional punitive POV, IME.



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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #17 on: September 03, 2009, 05:12:00 PM »
Lucky,
Some people just aren't worthy of the time it might take to change their minds. When a group of people choose to single out a person and demean them, it doesn't matter who the leader is.  Usually one or both of these is going on....

1. These people see the person encouraging this as having the power to confer importance on them if they agree (since they have no sense of inner wealth)
and/or
2. These people have little self esteem and can only function by feeling that someone is "lower" on the totem pole then they are.

If you manage to be accepted by this lovely group, I would bet that the first thing you are asked to do is treat their new "scapegoat" with the same disregard that you encountered. Some people live their lives "in relationship to external controls" rather than as individuals motivated by a strong internal value system.

In the recent past I won acceptance with a group that started out acting just as your describe. Since they were my new neighbors I bothered to change their opinion. Once I did I was bored silly and now no longer see any of them. I just don't enjoy talking about other people. That's all they did. I like to talk about ideas, dreams, up coming movies, and doing other fun things.

I say don't waste you time. I know I sometimes get so tied up in overcoming rejections that I forget to see if the person rejecting me is someone I'd even want to know!
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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #18 on: September 03, 2009, 08:36:49 PM »
Thank you all. It seems it's best to keep my mouth shut and not tell my truth.
And what if somebody of the group WANTS to hear my story, is asking me questions about what is happening or is suffering a little bit himself/herself from the N's behavior but still is in the N's camp as well?

Dear Lucky,

It is a challenging situation. I had a similar one, very painful. I can tell you that after going though my scenario, an N counselor who had me shunned from many others as well as turned many against me in our faith community in her desire for prestige as well as just plain vindictive behavior towards me, I have had many regrets for the way that chose to handle things, or rather would lose it. I always said I would keep my cool; I prayed to maintain my dignity in the face of this N's abuse, for many months I was trapped because I was considered "nothing" in the worlds eyes as far as outward social status and achievements compared to her. She had all the right paper-work as far as degrees, being a social worker, etc., and just plain acting like an angel of a person but a ruthless manipulator and deciever when no one is looking. I was the wounded, the hurting seeking healing, therefore, everyone was very quick to believe this N person and dismiss me in the process, not even give me the time of day to try to tell my truth. It was painful as well as it went on for many months/years, just when I would let go and move on I would find out something else that she had taken from me or another person would suddenly turn on me. It was if I could not run fast enough to just get  away without her somehow sneaking back into my world with some form of covert aggression.

What I regret is ever speaking out, although, for the almost first two years I never mentioned her name to anyone, or tried to even speak out about her, it would have been impossible to get anyone to believe me anyway. Then, later, I lost it on this person, I sent them at least 4 angery emails (telling her to stop or just plain getting out my frustration), over a period of many months. Then N took my anger and showed it to people, it was devestating to me and only served to work for her goals even better.

The point that I am trying to make is that when dealing with manipulators you have to be very careful, keep a safe distance and tell your truth to someone compasionate who will understand. Gossip is just never received well unless you are an N and then you can expect that gossip is couched in the most devious ways to disguise itself as being gossip or character assassination. Best, in my opinion to always stay silent, the truth comes out in the end.

In my situation the truth is coming out but it would not have come out if I had not shared my truth, however, I still regret having to do that, I wish I could have been more silent and patient. Finally, when I realized that I had some credibility I decided to tell my truth, however ungraceful, another regret.

I like what Mo2 said:

"ps, the less emotion you express, the more likely your story will be heard.  People tend to trust a level headed unemotional POV, more than an overtly emotional punitive POV, IME."


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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #19 on: September 04, 2009, 03:37:00 AM »
Okay, I get the picture. I should not try to defend myself because most likely it will only work against me.
And when somebody is in the N's camp but is also suffering from time to time and is telling me about the suffering? Validate or ignore what is being said? If I don't validate her she will think she is to blame. I am talking about a teenager.

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #20 on: September 04, 2009, 08:35:46 AM »
How old are you, Lucky?

What kind of situation are you suffering in?

Sorry if you explained and I missed it.

Mo2

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #21 on: September 04, 2009, 09:57:15 AM »
I am 39 and I am talking about my husband's ex wife who tries to poison everybody around her (including her children) against my husband (the children's father) and I. The two sons are adults, the daughter will be 17 this month.

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #22 on: September 04, 2009, 10:01:24 AM »
Okay, I get the picture. I should not try to defend myself because most likely it will only work against me.
And when somebody is in the N's camp but is also suffering from time to time and is telling me about the suffering? Validate or ignore what is being said? If I don't validate her she will think she is to blame. I am talking about a teenager.

Validate her from that place of love and compassion that you feel for her.

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #23 on: September 04, 2009, 02:56:35 PM »


Hi Lucky,

Often the only way a person knows how to displace or handle the awful feelings of divorce (and other heartaches or social upheavels) is to displace or replace love with hate.  If only they understood that there are other options besides poisoning the well with bitterness, jealousy,  lies, and the list goes on.

I love this proverb (paraphrased):  If there is anything that deserves praise, or has virtue, dwell on them.  Such as being, noble, just, lovely, and of good report.
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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #24 on: September 04, 2009, 03:57:56 PM »
Hi Lucky,

Truth doesn't keep you warm at night.

But even when you're battered by malice -- if in that MOMENT proclaiming "your truth" doesn't help...I think you will still have a more solid self, later on, when you look back at it all. If you told the truth and did your best (regardless of whether anyone else responded to it or respected it) ... then you will like YOURSELF more.

Ultimately, that will bring you a better life than winning any amount of agreement with others will.

I'm 59 and just about now began to realize how true this is...

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #25 on: September 04, 2009, 04:34:13 PM »
Oh, how dreadful when children are involved, Lucky.

That kind of truth always outs itself, IME.

If you defend yourself, are you not attacking the mother and calling her a liar, indirectly if not directly?

That would fuel the confusion, around who wishes whom ill, IMO.

If, on the other hand, the 17yo has questions, your response should be about what you know about you and your h.

Nothing about the mama.... nothing negative certainly.

Was someone here talking about taking the high road?

That's the road you want to take, when children are involved.

Mo2

PS  IMO children need to hear they'll always be loved, no matter what, always and forever.

And....

if she talks about her mother in negative terms, you can tell her you know how that feels and empathize, but without judging the mother.

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2009, 04:37:24 AM »
The mother is treating her daughter very badly at times, that makes it hard sometimes to keep my mouth shut. The mother hits her daughter and rages at her daughter.

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2009, 08:06:04 AM »
Wow, why did the hitting raging parent get custody?

That's messed up.

Then again, what divorce isn't?

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2009, 08:25:45 AM »
Wow, why did the hitting raging parent get custody?

That's messed up.

Then again, what divorce isn't?

Mo2



I do not think her father really expected that to happen. On the other hand the woman has always treated him very badly. The woman is good at playing the victim and the martyr like most N's. And at playing (but not being) the perfect mother, like my own NM. I think the whole situation IS messed up yes.

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Re: When somebody has been assassinating your character
« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2009, 09:02:20 AM »
What is your sd's take on the hitting and raging?

Does it leave physical marks?

Is she hitting her in the face?

I'd have a very hard time leaving her in that situation, frankly.

Perhaps this child is mad at your husband for leaving her with mom,

while getting himself out?

Perhaps she understands, on some level, that her mother's accusations about dad don't make sense, but......

she's feels abandoned on some other level?

A good therapist might be able to help you communicate......

might help her overcome all this turmoil too.

Mo2