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Ales2

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verbal abuse question
« on: January 12, 2010, 12:47:33 AM »
Every time I thing about the verbal abuse I endured, the irony to me now is that when I told my NM about it (before I knew she was NM and thought she might actually CARE) her response re-victimizes me in her denial of what she said, or how she said, or how she meant it, but never actually learning from it or apologizing for it. 

Every time she invalidates what she did, she makes it worse for me. She could just say, "thats not what I meant, but if you are hurt by it, I'm sorry and I will change it in the future".

This is not a reasonable expectation from an N, but from a normal person it is expected right?

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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #1 on: January 12, 2010, 01:13:29 AM »


Hi Ales,

This is not a reasonable expectation from an N, but from a normal person it is expected right?  
 
 
My experience tells me that what you say is true :(

What you say is true of any kind of abuse received from an N, verbal or otherwise.

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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #2 on: January 12, 2010, 01:57:58 AM »
Hi Ales,

I think if you tell someone that they've hurt or offended you in some way it is reasonable to expect them to apologise, even if they didn't mean to do it.  I also think if it's someone who cares about you they would normally (that word again!) be shocked/upset/regretful that they had made you feel that way.  If my sister told me I had made her feel worthless by something I'd said or done I'd be gutted and would take full responsibility.  So yes, I think to invalidate it is really inappropriate and something most of us have experienced with our parents!

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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2010, 09:02:47 AM »
Often I judge by how I would feel and react. As Twoapenny said, if someone told me I had hurt him.her, I would be shamed and want to make up for it. A normal person would want to avoid hurting the other person in the future.
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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2010, 10:33:22 AM »
I think it all goes back to that word empathy and the understanding of hurt feelings. I apologize to someone because I have felt hurt by a similar thing and do not want them to feel that way. I have always felt that N's just don't experience things the same way we do. I always go back to their ability to move quickly through very different emotions...like going from a bitter argument with me to smiling and laughing when someone calls on the phone that she likes. If you don't really "FEEL" at a deep level you have nothing to gauge the effect of your behavior on someone else with.

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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2010, 11:27:30 AM »
IMO, it is not the expectation (of an acknowledgement and apology) that is unreasonable, even when it involves an N. It is the N's likely reply that is unreasonable. But you're right, the likelihood of an N acknowledging and apologizing is remote. We have to decide if confronting them is worth having it turned back on us. We have to decide if we're at a strong enough place we can take their gaslighting and still maintain a grip on our own reality.

Ales2

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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2010, 02:00:01 PM »
Wow - all great responses - thank you so much for your insight and support.

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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #7 on: January 12, 2010, 02:26:34 PM »
Ales, wouldn't it by nice if you NM thought this way?  Actually understood the words you just wrote?  Wouldn't' that be great?  I mean, to tell your NM, "hey, what you just said really, really tore my heart out and I'm reeling from it and I now feel like dog mess, so please apologize or explain why you said something so mean..." and then to have her say, "hmmmm, sorry honey, I didn't mean to lash out at you, I'm angry for different reasons and I didn't mean it at all...I love you so much and I'm sorry for hurting you."

This would have shown us that our NM is human, that she makes mistakes and sometimes goes over the top.  Instead, her denial and utter disdain makes it as though she purposefully wanted to hurt you and has no qualms with destroying her own flesh and blood.  She is then seen as not human but someone so superior to humankind that you will never, ever be equal to her.  NM has conquered you so you better not try to speak up...how dare you?

I apologize for sounding so negative today.  I just mentioned on another thread that I'm having a bad day regarding N's.

I better go before I blow up.

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Re: verbal abuse question
« Reply #8 on: January 12, 2010, 05:54:40 PM »
Over the years of suffering the pains of verbal abuse from my NM, I have found that she cannot see that part of herself. She is blind to her verbal assaults, was and still is to a degree.

There is an intense shame that N's feel towards acknowledging verbal abuse, any abuse. I know that shame I have been a self abuser but I have never been a verbal abuser accept in the privacy of my own home, when, in old FOO pain, never to anyones face. When in my old wounds I can feel what feels like a stabbing rage, a desire to shout back mean things, not even recognizing that if and when I shout back mean things to others or about others that I would be verbally abusing them, seeking to really harm them, a form of revenge against perceived insults. Seeing my behavior for exactly what it is even if I have never said mean things to others faces can stir intense shame for me which helps me to understand my NM better.

My mother's rage is still split off from her awareness due to her shame, the feelings of inferiority that seek to overcome themselves through the feelings of superiority of verbal abuse, unbelievably. She cannot own that part of herself that says mean and vicious things to us. If she could then she would not still do it. Who would, unless feeling the powerlessness of victimization in total awareness and only aware because of the understanding and compassion that others would not flee in disgrace if we or they would only just own the rage, the driving force of verbal abuse.

Understanding why my mom cannot own her hurt to me in her verbal abuse has helped free me to stop seeking her apology for the hurts of her verbal abuse. To understand rather than be understood.

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