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river

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Re: "Earned Secure" Attachment
« Reply #15 on: March 11, 2010, 06:08:22 PM »
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    What I wonder is, what is it exactly in a relationship that nurtures this "secure" or "earned secure" attachment? Trust? Safety? In that there is an expectation of say - acceptance of self - that is met consistently enough that one "trusts" and relies - is secure in - that relationship. I wonder. Still working this one through, as you can tell. But the key seems to be that modulation or re-establishing equilibrium. An "it's OK" feeling between two people? Is that all it is? 
Phoenix, I want to start another thread with this as its been something a lot on my mind, and would like to get responses here, so I hope you wont mind me borrowing your thoughts as a 'starter kit' ?

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Re: "Earned Secure" Attachment
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2010, 08:41:57 AM »
Go for it, river - there is a wealth of work in this topic...
I don't know where I'm going with it (that's OK)... but I have a sense that I'm synthesizing something down into a simple declarative statement again. A pithy phrase.

Which usually means I'm removing layers of old gaslighting, confusion, and too much thinking - too much dancing around the obvious again.
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Re: "Earned Secure" Attachment
« Reply #17 on: March 12, 2010, 09:13:21 AM »
Heart,

I think that probably there are a couple of things going on in your relationship with your daughter--and they get all intertwined and mixed up and its hard to untangle them.  I think that's where a competent third party could really help.  I dont think your husband can do that for you because it might require some tough talking that he cant/wont do.  I

 dont think your daughter is mature enough to be asked to change her way of perceiving the world.  She is a teenager, and some of her "stuff" is recognizably teenager stuff.  I have had several and I have lots that work for me and this is so, so typical amongst a lot of them.  So, I dont know if that may give you a bit of perspective. 

Along those lines, I dont think there is any way your daughter can figure out how to get through this impasse (and I dont mean just the car situation--you two are really struggling on a lot of levels).  She just doesnt have the tools, yet, in her emotional toolbox to know what is going on or how to fix it.  As an aside, the only tools  you may have in YOUR toolbox are the ones that your own mother bequeathed to you during those years of dealing with a traumatized teenaged daughter.  To tell you to just look back and ask yourself what you needed in those days, and then provide it to your own daughter is 'way too glib.  Ii think a therapist could really help you untangle the different issues that you are both dealing with when you interact. 

Your husband is simply not dealing with those issues--he doesnt have them.  It sounds like he has boundaries in place (we have explained ourselves, she will be embarassed, its not something I can do anything about, the consequences will be her wake up call).  Very healthy thinking, but then he doesnt have to deal with your emotional baggage. 

Basically, the only thing you can give your daughter is the tools to navigate life--HER life--the one that started badly, in an orphanage.  That created certain emotional liabilities for her that she is going to have to deal with for much of her life.  She can do it--her life will look different than some others, but she can do it.  She will, ultimately, be the one who has to create that life, that emotional health.  You are here to simply give her the tools she needs to do that.  She is going to need time as well--time to navigate the normal teenage years that are filled with their own turmoil and time to let her brain grow up (just as any child needs to do--all kids have magical thinking).

Much, much luck to you.  CB
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Re: "Earned Secure" Attachment
« Reply #18 on: March 12, 2010, 10:11:46 AM »
" you kept being punished for them, reminded of them, over and over. "

That is at the heart of one of my anxieties - the double binding one. 
I almost threw up when I read what you had written - I so connected to it.
The inescapable power of it is beyond fathom.
requires constant vigilance
that vigilance is uber exhausting - almost debilitating
detachment is the only way out that I can conceive of
not easy to reach this detachment much less maintain it
that is the way out - maintaining detachment

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Re: "Earned Secure" Attachment
« Reply #19 on: March 12, 2010, 10:43:13 AM »
There are so many good things contributed here that I can't even begin to address them all individually ... but everyone has been helpful. I think probably the most helpful thing is just knowing that everyone else has been there too ... in a similar childhood, and often with similar issues with offspring.

Maybe I wasn't the perfect person to parent a RAD child ... but there wasn't anybody waiting in the wings to take her. She would have spent her life up until about now in an impoverished system, and then probably would have been turned out on the streets, to live in the sewers and probably to prostitute herself. I try to remind myself of that when I'm sitting around beating myself up for how difficult it is for me to even LIKE her some days.

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Re: "Earned Secure" Attachment
« Reply #20 on: March 12, 2010, 12:33:50 PM »
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I try to remind myself of that when I'm sitting around beating myself up for how difficult it is for me to even LIKE her some days.

What a wonderful and valid means to help you push through this great difficulty.  It must be very difficult to see the value in the midst of the very trying periods.  You do not get positive feedback even though you are adding so much to her wellbeing.  I have great compassion for you in your relationship with your daughter.  Hold on for the long term and seek affirmation whereever you can.  As difficult as your struggle is, as hard as it is to know what is the right step and as self-defeating as it can seem at times, and even as obvious are your shortcomings in parenting her - you are still a hero to me - because you are pushing forward, with love and compassion and determination - not to be detered by doubt and mistakes.  Hang in there.  Your love is felt in this large world.

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Re: "Earned Secure" Attachment
« Reply #21 on: March 12, 2010, 01:59:29 PM »
Thank you, GS. I appreciate your affirmation ... and I think I too am "gaining strength" a little at a time. We won't let our own weird and impoverished childhoods get the best of us in the end, will we?