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[phoenix]

aka "Ramble".

Now I understand the pointlessness of interacting with Ramble thread. It all came together when Solace gaily sailed in, following CG’s Declaration of Independence.

We are dealing with emotional six year olds here.


Excerpts from: "Now We Are Six"
[Apologies to A. A. Milne.]


Narcissists have normal, even superior, intellectual development while remaining emotionally and morally immature. Dealing with them can give you the sense of trying to have a reasonable discussion with a very clever six-year-old -- this is an age when normal children are grandiose and exhibitionistic, when they are very resistant to taking the blame for their own misbehavior, when they understand what the rules are (e.g., that lying, cheating, and stealing are prohibited) but are still trying to wriggle out of accepting those rules for themselves.
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 "Your typical Six-year-old is a paradoxical little person, and bipolarity is the name of the game. Whatever he does, he does the opposite just as readily. In fact, sometimes the choice of some certain object or course of action immediately triggers an overpowering need for its opposite."
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 "The child is now the center of his own universe."

… delighted by any silly thing that calls attention to himself; may do silly, show-offy things to call attention to himself when he feels neglected or shut out

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And last but not least...

"Sixes love to dress up and pretend they are somebody else...."

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html

I thought I would start this thread just devoted to venting feelings about Ramble. That way we don't have to highjack other threads, and we are in a place removed from Ramble itself.

Anybody else? Post anonymous if you don't want to sign your name. Phoenix

[Anonymous]

Being relatively new here, I found the Ramble thread to be a negative detractor from the other conversations, questions, helps, & positive "safe" sharing that has occurred in other threads.  I just quit reading it.  

Your reference to Joanna Mashmun's site was good (halcyon.com).  It was the first site I discovered on NPD, & still think it is one of the most clear & helpful resources around.

[Anonymous]

Whenever I do read it, it seems someone declares that they're leaving permanently due to ill-treatment, hurt feelings, and so on. But it never happens (the declaration is repeated rather regularly by the same people). It's always followed by an announcement that they've been convinced to stay...

Reading the ramble thread is a guilty pleasure sometimes.  

[Liv]

Yeah, Solace, aka s, aka somebody has said she is leaving at least a half a dozen times. Lacks credibility at this point, not to mention that this person is still here regardless of the havoc she reeks on the other posters (with the exception of CG, Portia, et.al) who don't want to be force fed the "enlightenment" of her position on sexual predators. Ick.
 Ah well.  

[phoenix]

Hope you don't mind Guest anv Liv if I copy  your post from Parent Alientation Syndrome over to here.

Please be aware that Solace is the person formally known as "somebody" and "s".

Also be aware that Solace is CG/Portia.  

You cannot read their posts and not know they are all the same person.  Nobody else writes even close to that style, and the excessive use of emoticons.    Nobody else is so patronizing in one moment, then belligerent the next.  

I do find it amusing how each personality praises each other to the sky.  They validate each other.

Well, I just know for a certainty that Solace, s and somebody are the same.I just wonder what continent that person is on really. First, it's "eh" from Canada and the next it's "G'day" from Australia. Sheesh.

Sorry, not trying to co opt the thread. I'll beat it now.

[Anonymous]

Post subject: How to be abusive 101  
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How to be abusive, a step by step recipe:

1.If you need to feel better, find someone and demean them. This works great with those closest to you, since they have already been conditioned.  It is equally effective if you are able to use a degrading situation against them, if the situation is such that you can lord it over that person.  You may also be dismissive or insulting at will. If you can put them down while being clever and subtle, it is even better. It keeps them off balance. Push their buttons, you know exactly where they all are. You may even want to "act nice" while you do this. This is particularly effective if completely unprovoked and "out of nowhere." Remember, it's all about You getting what you need!

2. Deny that you did it. You may want to act self-righteous, act as if it is their fault. Tell them that they are too sensitive, or that that is just like them to feel that way. Be outraged that they would accuse you of such a thing after all that you have done for them. Tell them that there is no need for them to ruin your life. Point out how they lack credibility regularly.  Puff up and try to make them feel bad for even questioning you. Pull rank. Play games. Whatever you need to do to keep control of the situation.

3. If this fails, use their own guilt against them. Fog the issue with their own fear of you that you instilled since the beginning. Make them question thier own judgement, (this will be easy because of all your prior work). Use their sense of obligation or family loyalty. Never, never underestimate the power of Guilt! You will find this to be very useful. You can make an adult question their own thoughts despite a lifetime of evidence to the contrary! It's unbelievable, really, but it works. Most of them have been so brainwashed they can't believe you would do this to them and thus they will allow you to keep doing it. How great is that?!

4. This is the most important step of all - Make them think that they are responsible for your actions! Take no responsibility whatsover. This is the key that makes the whole thing work! (Warning - If they really get this, and begin to believe in themselves, you are sunk)

5. Repeat at will - It will always make you feel better and give you what you need! Happy Abusing, and remember - It's all about YOU!!!

PS - The above will not work if they have figured out that you are in fact responsible for your own behaviors. If they begin to understand that you are deliberately using their own sense of fear, guilt, and obligation, they will begin to see the Truth and the above will not work any longer! Be Forewarned!!

[Anonymous]

aka "Ramble".

Now I understand the pointlessness of interacting with Ramble thread. It all came together when Solace gaily sailed in, following CG’s Declaration of Independence.

We are dealing with emotional six year olds here.


Excerpts from: "Now We Are Six"
[Apologies to A. A. Milne.]


Narcissists have normal, even superior, intellectual development while remaining emotionally and morally immature. Dealing with them can give you the sense of trying to have a reasonable discussion with a very clever six-year-old -- this is an age when normal children are grandiose and exhibitionistic, when they are very resistant to taking the blame for their own misbehavior, when they understand what the rules are (e.g., that lying, cheating, and stealing are prohibited) but are still trying to wriggle out of accepting those rules for themselves.
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 "Your typical Six-year-old is a paradoxical little person, and bipolarity is the name of the game. Whatever he does, he does the opposite just as readily. In fact, sometimes the choice of some certain object or course of action immediately triggers an overpowering need for its opposite."
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 "The child is now the center of his own universe."

… delighted by any silly thing that calls attention to himself; may do silly, show-offy things to call attention to himself when he feels neglected or shut out

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And last but not least...

"Sixes love to dress up and pretend they are somebody else...."

http://www.halcyon.com/jmashmun/npd/six.html

I thought I would start this thread just devoted to venting feelings about Ramble. That way we don't have to highjack other threads, and we are in a place removed from Ramble itself.

Anybody else? Post anonymous if you don't want to sign your name. Phoenix

"Mirror mirror on the wall"

[phoenix]

"Mirror mirror on the wall"

Ah, yes,  I expected that. Thanks for coming through. Now we can move past that. Phoenix

[Anonymous]

Hope you don't mind Guest anv Liv if I copy  your post from Parent Alientation Syndrome over to here.

Please be aware that Solace is the person formally known as "somebody" and "s".

Also be aware that Solace is CG/Portia.  

You cannot read their posts and not know they are all the same person.  Nobody else writes even close to that style, and the excessive use of emoticons.    Nobody else is so patronizing in one moment, then belligerent the next.  

I do find it amusing how each personality praises each other to the sky.  They validate each other.

Well, I just know for a certainty that Solace, s and somebody are the same.I just wonder what continent that person is on really. First, it's "eh" from Canada and the next it's "G'day" from Australia. Sheesh.

Sorry, not trying to co opt the thread. I'll beat it now.

Good filler.

[Anonymous]

Yeah, Solace, aka s, aka somebody has said she is leaving at least a half a dozen times. Lacks credibility at this point,
 Ah well.  

Thanks for mentioning this.  Good point to consider.  Also can you remember how many times Phoenix has left?

[Anonymous]

Post subject: How to be abusive 101  
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How to be abusive, a step by step recipe:

1.If you need to feel better, find someone and demean them. This works great with those closest to you, since they have already been conditioned.  It is equally effective if you are able to use a degrading situation against them, if the situation is such that you can lord it over that person.  You may also be dismissive or insulting at will. If you can put them down while being clever and subtle, it is even better. It keeps them off balance. Push their buttons, you know exactly where they all are. You may even want to "act nice" while you do this. This is particularly effective if completely unprovoked and "out of nowhere." Remember, it's all about You getting what you need!

2. Deny that you did it. You may want to act self-righteous, act as if it is their fault. Tell them that they are too sensitive, or that that is just like them to feel that way. Be outraged that they would accuse you of such a thing after all that you have done for them. Tell them that there is no need for them to ruin your life. Point out how they lack credibility regularly.  Puff up and try to make them feel bad for even questioning you. Pull rank. Play games. Whatever you need to do to keep control of the situation.

3. If this fails, use their own guilt against them. Fog the issue with their own fear of you that you instilled since the beginning. Make them question thier own judgement, (this will be easy because of all your prior work). Use their sense of obligation or family loyalty. Never, never underestimate the power of Guilt! You will find this to be very useful. You can make an adult question their own thoughts despite a lifetime of evidence to the contrary! It's unbelievable, really, but it works. Most of them have been so brainwashed they can't believe you would do this to them and thus they will allow you to keep doing it. How great is that?!

4. This is the most important step of all - Make them think that they are responsible for your actions! Take no responsibility whatsover. This is the key that makes the whole thing work! (Warning - If they really get this, and begin to believe in themselves, you are sunk)

5. Repeat at will - It will always make you feel better and give you what you need! Happy Abusing, and remember - It's all about YOU!!!

PS - The above will not work if they have figured out that you are in fact responsible for your own behaviors. If they begin to understand that you are deliberately using their own sense of fear, guilt, and obligation, they will begin to see the Truth and the above will not work any longer! Be Forewarned!!

This is so good. Is it an excerpt of a larger article published on the internet somewhere or is it from a book? Could you provide more or the source or article?

[Anonymous]

This thread has no value IMHO. ha ha.

No value whatesoever.

Except to really upset me.

Annihilating me as a board member.    

Thanks a lot Phoenix for your very unkind words about me.

I won't bother to identify myself. You know who I am. One person. You know that. I don't know exactly what I, as one person, one voice, have done to you. Except told you my real name. On PM. Remember the laugh about how people sometimes call you my name, when they miss-hear you? Yeah. I remember, maybe you don't.

Did I ignore you? Did you tell me about it? Nope. All in your head.

Did I ****make*** you invisible?

What utter and complete BOLLOCKS. Rubbish. Nonsense. Not in reality. Not my reality.

What's the matter? Did Ramble become too boring for you, that you had to start this tirade?

CG you know who this is too. I'm sick of this. I post as Guest to help, but not this time. Not this time. I'm really pissed off with this thread!
  why why am I bothering to even post? Can anyone answer that question?

[Anonymous]

Post subject: How to be abusive 101  
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5. Repeat at will - It will always make you feel better and give you what you need! Happy Abusing Phoenix , and remember - It's all about YOU!!!

[Anonymous]

what's got into you, phoenix?

You sound like a small child who has been shut out of mummy's bedroom and is now on a vengeful path of destruction.

you invite people into a thread to post about other people

you invite people to post anonymously, to fear owning their own voice

you can't abide people in ramble owning and expressing their own voice

you preoccupy yourself iwth other people's identity - what's it to you?

you have been hurt on occasion - harsh words have been said.  I see that.  But this isn't the answer to hurt feelings.  Express your anger and move on.  Do not allow anger to fester.  Do not preoccupy yourself with irrelevancies.  You have your own tough world to deal with out there.

FIND THE REAL RELEVANCE TO YOU - what hurt does it remind you of?  Work through it - work through it here with honesty.  Don't hide behind revenge.

Are you asking people to gang up with you against ramble?  You need to prove you are right?  I sense tears behind your brave and angry front.  I sense that you are sobbing with the hurt and the effort to remain as you are.

Here's an arm around your shoulders, phoenix.

I am sad that you removed all your posts.  Was that anger, too?  How sad that you removed the good and the helpful things you've written over time.

Nurture yourself phoenix - don't hurt yourself in hurting others.  Other people don't always intend the hurt you experience from them.

[phoenix]

This thread has no value IMHO. ha ha.

No value whatesoever.

Except to really upset me.

Annihilating me as a board member.    

Thanks a lot Phoenix for your very unkind words about me.

I won't bother to identify myself. You know who I am. One person. You know that. I don't know exactly what I, as one person, one voice, have done to you. Except told you my real name. On PM. Remember the laugh about how people sometimes call you my name, when they miss-hear you? Yeah. I remember, maybe you don't.

Did I ignore you? Did you tell me about it? Nope. All in your head.

Did I ****make*** you invisible?

What utter and complete BOLLOCKS. Rubbish. Nonsense. Not in reality. Not my reality.

What's the matter? Did Ramble become too boring for you, that you had to start this tirade?

CG you know who this is too. I'm sick of this. I post as Guest to help, but not this time. Not this time. I'm really pissed off with this thread!
  why why am I bothering to even post? Can anyone answer that question?

?

Really? You took my words to you at Ramble as unkind? You could have made the effort of a reply. I wrote that to you with care. But if you can't see it any other way, I give up. It was me that wanted to keep things in private, but you have this out in the open policy...

Is that why CG came in on your behalf? To speak for you?

I have no intention of annihilating you as a board member. Or anyone.

What do you want from people? For others to roll over and  take it whenever you and CG decide you have an itch for someone? No one can speak up?

This has been my point all along: you either retreat in sulky silence, or come out with the big guns blasting. How does anything ever get resolved this way?


I had an epiphany yesterday about Ramble. It was about this very thing. I saw the hook. It is this juvenile behavior- The rebelious "You can't tell me what to do". I realized that there is no talking things through.


I was done with it anyway, but now I feel truly done. Not done because I have said all I can, but because I see the pointlessness in it. How liberating this is...and really very obvious.
Maybe someday you will read my post to you in a different light.