As per guests request
Solace said to Phoenix
I am sorry if CG has treated you badly. She treated me badly at first too but later she was kind to me. I don't know anyone here well-enough to judge them as conniving but I know what it's like to live with people who behave that way. It's not very nice, especially if you trust them. I'm sorry if I have said stuff that has upset you Phoenix. I have never wanted to do that and I am trying really hard to just be honest. I really can't stand lies and liars. I have always said I can take anything...but it better be the truth (and God help me, I have faced plenty).
Solace, may I discuss this pm of yours with the board and you?
Solace, you generously suggested to Phoenix via your pm to her that perhaps CG had treated Phoenix badly like she treated you badly. And expressing your understanding of her feelings if that were the case.
We all have read the many many times that Phoenix constantly states that her main problem is how CG treats other board members, whose names Phoenix doesn't mention. That it's been a great concern to her that it's not obvious to so many others. Phoenix mentions often how she can see CG's evil at work on the board in background, and how others have even pm'd her about it.
CG's evil and manipulation is something that she feels is overlooked and is hard to notice or isn't observed by the rest of us on the board, and how some people who are special to her have been blinsided by CG's charm.
That's what I observe that Phoenix is trying to do. Phoenix is trying to bring a healthy awareness to board about CG's slimey scheming mean manipulative ways, that Phoenix is concerned that no-ones else seems to see.
Phoenix has wanted CG to be recognised by the board as a damaging harmful influence and has been willing to stick her neck out and be ridiculed for doing it. Does that sound right so far?
So an idea came to me by Solace sharing her pm to Phoenix.
Why doesn't everybody who CG has hurt speak up for themselves like Solace just did? Instead of leaving it all up to Phoenix to do.
Why should this burden of exposing CG for who she really is rest solely on Phoenix's shoulders?
What if Phoenix is wrong about CG? We don't know that yet, do we?
Where are the all the members who Phoenix talks about, all the real examples of where CG has hurt and manipulatd people? Surely all this isn't just about Phoenix being offended for how CG hurt you Solace!
There must be other examples that people would care to share here, to get resolution and reach a verdict.
Perhaps it might be timely for those who have been hurt by CG in the past to share these incidences with us here and now. Perhaps it may be good to understand the situations and understand what we're talking about here instead of assuming, like you could have Solace in your message to Phoenix. Instead, you used the word 'if' instead of 'because' which meant you weren't assuming and imposing.
To see and read the evidence of the offences and manipulation and slime and scheming from CG. To perhaps even analyse them, instead of us all simply having to take Phoenix's word for it, which places an enormous burden and responsibility on Phoenix's shoulders.
And even though I am quite fond of Phoenix, her readings of her feelings without evidence is insufficient evidence for me. Also, unlike Discounted Girl's (
who I'm also fond of) sentiment where she said something like "If Phoeinx says it, it must be so! It's good enough for me." Well, that doesn't sit well with me either. I would never want to hand over that level of thinking and control to anyone else DG
. Not even Phoenix. I would like to see some real information from the offended parties.
Or perhaps, is it even possible, that there are more misunderstandings here than meets the eye? How can we ever know if the exact incidences aren't presented? People take offence at little things from others all the time.
A member is being judged here as someone who is quite terribly evil. That is a very serious and possibly damaging label to impose on someone and I don't think should be done lightly.
I think there have been many very serious accusations leveled at CG by Phoenix that now they need to be supported with hard evidence by others, and not feelings alone, if they are to be taken seriously.
So how about some hard evidence from as many serious and known members as possible to help out here.
If all of those who Phoenix believes have been hurt by CG would step up to the board themselves with their names and speak out and tell their stories of how and what CG did, perhaps even by calling up CG's actual posts up where she did it to them, this could be resolved intelligently.
This would also take a lot of pressure off Phoenix and give CG something serious to think about, wouldn't it? And it could assist matters here generally. The people who Phoenix is trying to look after appear to be hiding behind the 'guest' option leaving it aup to Phoenix to take the heat on their behalf. Where is their courage? Where is their truth? Is Phoenix
a bleeding-heart who is being manipulated herself to fight other people's battles. Battles which they don't have the courage to fight themselves.
And perhaps if the victims themelves came forward with their own hurts and grievances regarding CG true healing could take place here instead of the constant and escalating bickering over CG. I would like to finally see a conclusion to this constant on-going situation, and see a fair and just resolution.
Thomas.
