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Wildflower

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losing the weight of N's in our lives
« on: October 27, 2004, 01:48:41 AM »
I just wanted to bring this over here because I wanted to hear what others had to say on the weight issue (hope you don't mind KJ and Singer).

To Singer first, I know how it feels to work so hard to lose weight and only to be criticized for it.  For me, it was as if my mother had done all the work and she was proud of the child she had produced - and then she told me I was too thin and started "worrying" about me eating enough!!!  Argh. :evil:

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I feel for both of you. I too have lost an amazing (to me anyway) amount of weight *slowly* this last year and half and my parents noticed, but in a "maybe you're getting too skinny" kinda way -- I don't agree on too skinny; my BMI is out of the obese range and now in moderatly overweight, though I think I'm looking pretty good. Then the junk food came flooding into the house and Nmom looks daggers at me everythime I leave the house to go bike riding. There's a lot of games going on with food and money in our house -- like Nmom buys whatever she feels like (cigarettes, KFC, creamer, coffee...that's about all her food groups) and I play hell getting her to buy some veggies or just any damn plain healthy food for me because 'she's out of money/too tired/whatever'. The message is clear -- You do not matter enough for me to bother.



When I left home and went to college, I immediately started losing weight.  Part of that was the fact that I was finally given regular meals (no complaining from me about school food!) instead of junk food.  When I was little, my mom used to park in front of the 7-11 to get my "breakfast" which consisted of chocolate milk and twinkies or zingers or whatever.  And she was super thin until she hit menopause.  She could eat anything and not gain weight.  Which meant there was nothing in our house but junk food.  And when I was a teenager, I was too fat and she was going out on dates all the time.  The most she ever did was say "stop eating" every now and then, in an exasperated tone.

But since I left home, I've been losing weight gradually as I learn how to eat in a more heathy way.  I've been at a stable, ideal weight now for a few years, but I have stretch marks and extra skin (I was that overweight).  I try to tell myself that the stretch marks are just a part of me or maybe even just battle wounds.  In other words, I try find ways of accepting my body.  But the stretch marks and extra skin make me so angry.  They're like this big symbol of what my life was like before - something I'll never be able to leave behind.  Something that wasn't my fault but that I'm paying the price for.  I resent it so deeply.  Sometimes I think about getting surgery but I worry that having surgery is a way of avoiding bigger problems.

Does anyone have any thoughts or advice on this?  Or just on how N's affect our weight and how we regain control?

Wildflower
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2004, 02:00:31 AM »
hmm... my mom had me on diets (extreme diets) and I was yelled at for eating between meals from the time I was eleven until I left home for college.  I gained weight at college but eventually brought it back into a comfortable range with effort.  once I lost a lot of weight and my mother told me I was too thin!  I must have missed that magical point of just right!

anyway, I still struggle with weight and am trying to work out my food issues (still).  I'm heavy while one sister is anorexic and the other bulimic (recovering).

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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 02:26:25 AM »
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When I left home and went to college, I immediately started losing weight.  Part of that was the fact that I was finally given regular meals (no complaining from me about school food!) instead of junk food.  When I was little, my mom used to park in front of the 7-11 to get my "breakfast" which consisted of chocolate milk and twinkies or zingers or whatever.  And she was super thin until she hit menopause.  She could eat anything and not gain weight.  Which meant there was nothing in our house but junk food.  And when I was a teenager, I was too fat and she was going out on dates all the time.  The most she ever did was say "stop eating" every now and then, in an exasperated tone.

But since I left home, I've been losing weight gradually as I learn how to eat in a more heathy way.  I've been at a stable, ideal weight now for a few years, but I have stretch marks and extra skin (I was that overweight).  I try to tell myself that the stretch marks are just a part of me or maybe even just battle wounds.  In other words, I try find ways of accepting my body.  But the stretch marks and extra skin make me so angry.  They're like this big symbol of what my life was like before - something I'll never be able to leave behind.  Something that wasn't my fault but that I'm paying the price for.  I resent it so deeply.  Sometimes I think about getting surgery but I worry that having surgery is a way of avoiding bigger problems.

Does anyone have any thoughts or advice on this?  Or just on how N's affect our weight and how we regain control?

Wildflower


Hello Widlflower,

Nope I don't mind at all -- being obese has ruled my life from the time I was twelves years old so it would be great if anyone could learn something useful from my experiences.  I would have to say my parents very directly affected my weight. Prior to 12 I was an active, thin (rather skinny) kid. Then my Nparents moved the family to some godforsaken place in Washington state and their marriage really blew up big time, real nasty stuff.  I had 4 younger sibs (one in diapers) to look after.  I didn't have any help, but for the occasional baby sitter.  I was an overwhelmed 12 year old "parent"  in so much pain -- not only from the divorce, but from the uprooting of another move and the realization that my childhood dreams had been crushed (whole nother big story here). So I ate and ate and ate to sooth/care for myself.  Now where Nmom comes in is that we lived out in the country -- no food store anywhere remotely close. So she supplied me, enabled me.  My weapon of destruction -- Chocolate Chip Cookies made with Criso. I made at least one  batch a day, every day for months and ate most of them.  Couple with puberty, I ballooned to over 200 lbs' on a 5' 1" frame.  Yikes!  :shock:  So Nmom saw me doing this to myself and HELPED me hurt myself! ARGH!  There's diabetes on both sides of my family right up close; I'm lucky I didn't develop the disease.  After I'd porked up, she dieted like mad, lost the weight flirted with my older brother's friends and eventually won back Dad.  I looked like a tank, felt like a freak and was called Quasimodo by my Uncle....and thus began years of dieting, sometimes paid for by NGrandma...all ending in failure. Even when I was on one of these diets, I'd play hell trying to get my diet food'.  Junk food ruled our house too and the crap was everywhere...so yeah right, Nmom, a fat unhappy teen girl is going to eat a dog kaka diet bar when there's ice cream, chips and soda in the house and every meal is cooked in cream of mushroom soup <blech>.  No support.  Junior High and High School were living hells and a half.

For me the weight loss seems to follow my psychological awakenings; the urge to overeat has diminished for me as I figured out better ways to self-care. I'm a size 10-12 depending on labels and the weight is still coming off, I'm still getting smaller and fitter.  I can bike. I can even jog some again!  My Nparents, especially Nmom, were death on participating in sports and PE -- they would not let us do it, they would not give a reason why out side of "we can't afford it".   Self-care is an abberation in our household.

I can understand on your feelings of resentment -- you and I we were kids, our parents should have been setting examples of healthy eating, should have plain gave a sh*t about what their children were eating, but they didn't.  And now our bodies bear the literal scars of that neglect.  Surgery is an option, in my mind, but only after a lot of soul-searching.  If I've got a skin apron left on the lower abs when I'm at my physical best, then I plan to save up and have a tummy tuck -- to me it's a reclaiming of myself by parting with that hanging reminder of how far I've come. I don't need it anymore.

N's used to drive me crazy and  drive me to binge. Now they just drive me crazy :!:

peace,
KJ

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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2004, 11:41:27 AM »
When I was in high school I was a rail and Nmom told me all the time how scrawny nad boney I looked - making me feel bad. She would say I needed some meat on my bones. She would eat candy bars in front of us and not let us have them. She pigged out on poptato chips and made me eat healthy and wouldn't give up any. When I went to college I did the usual college act, ate junk, drank beer and put on 10 pounds in 2 years.

Nmom told me I was getting fat.

Does nothing please her???

So now I am pre-menopausal and refuse to let her see me. My midline has grown some, even though I try to keep it in tack.

She was always a little too broad, but not a lot. She was tiny when I was born and reminded me of that all the time as though my birth made her get bigger.

My problem is that I look in the mirror and I see a slight reflection of her. I never resembled her, but I am starting to show some of her features. I hate my looks now! I hate seeing Nmom in the mirror!

Does anyone else look like their N?

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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2004, 11:47:16 AM »
Oh yes Ellie -- and it makes me sick. One morning last week, I went into the bathroom with only the early morning shadows coming in for light and in the mirror looking at me was this woman who looked like the NQueenmother did 25 yr ago only a bit taller and with darker hair. I said right out loud "who the hell are you and who invited you in here?" .. hahah .. my husband did not wake up to hear my crazy mumblings. I expected the woman in the mirror to answer me -- it was spooky.

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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2004, 12:06:34 PM »
I'm glad you brought it over here, Wildflower. There's nothing worse than someone going on a diet and then talking endlessly about their diet, so I don't like to bring it up too often. This way those who don't have weight issues can avoid the discussion. :)

For myself weight had always been an issue, sometimes more sometimes less. Like KJ I'm on the short side, 5' 0" and at my heaviest weighed about 170 lbs. That was in June of 2003. Not suprisingly that was also when my Nmother's NPD behavior had reached an all time high. I don't think she has ever gone to a fast food restaurant on her own in her life. My dad always brought her what she wanted to eat, and my visits to her had turned into "Well, as long as you're coming over anyway, why don't you stop and pick up (insert name of greasy fast food here.)

Most of my visits to her at that time ended with her in a rage that I had dared to express a thought that she hadn't blessed with her approval. The funny thing was the more weight I lost, the more detached I could become from her anger. It was like I became more self-contained, more myself. I think that's why she has to say something nasty about it. It's out of her control. It hurts when she says something cruel, like when she said I look like hell last weekend. But I didn't expect to lose thirty years along with my 48 pounds, so the thinner face and the loose skin don't bother me.
What does bother me is that she thinks I have no feelings, that she can say whatever pops into her bitter, closed little mind because, why not?, I don't count, I'm not a real person. And this is the woman I spent a lifetime trying to please. Now THAT hurts.

The loose skin and stretch marks, plus the other signs of aging I look on as battle scars. They're there, but I'm surviving. If I had more money or more courage (I have a fear of medical procedures) I'd be more inclined to do something about them. I don't think it's a way of avoiding bigger problems and may be very helpful in putting the past behind you. I tend to be defiant about criticism of my physical self. Take it or leave it, but spare me your thoughts on how I can "improve" it.  :)

Singer

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« Reply #6 on: October 28, 2004, 11:58:54 PM »
Thanks for all your replies!!  :D :D  It's just so comforting to hear others talk about how their families have affected their weight.  And KJ, wow are we from similar backgrounds!  I was skinny and active, too, until my mom and her live in boyfriend split up (he was the one who really took care of me).  I think you're right about that bit about them reading the same insanity advice.  That gave me a real laugh. :D

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There's nothing worse than someone going on a diet and then talking endlessly about their diet, so I don't like to bring it up too often.


I know what you mean, but I never get bored of it because I think that's because it's about learning to take care of yourself.  It's about learning to listen to what your body needs - and to respond to it.  Some people just gain weight and have problems with it.  Some people have biological predispositions to be on the heavy side.  But I also think it's something that touches on so much of what so many of us here were denied as kids.  Caring, listening, and learning to care about ourselves.

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My problem is that I look in the mirror and I see a slight reflection of her. I never resembled her, but I am starting to show some of her features. I hate my looks now! I hate seeing Nmom in the mirror!

Does anyone else look like their N?


I look like my mom more and more, too.  People used to say I was my dad's twin, and didn't look anything like my mom, but now my face really looks like hers.  More and more every day, really.  It's very strange.  I'm reminded of how much she dated when she was my age, only I'm not responsible for a child and I've had more time to work through my problems without taking it out on my own children.

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So I ate and ate and ate to sooth/care for myself. Now where Nmom comes in is that we lived out in the country -- no food store anywhere remotely close. So she supplied me, enabled me. My weapon of destruction -- Chocolate Chip Cookies made with Criso. I made at least one batch a day, every day for months and ate most of them. Couple with puberty, I ballooned to over 200 lbs' on a 5' 1" frame. Yikes!


Oh boy, me, too!  I actually grew up in an inner city neighborhood, but you couldn't get anywhere without driving, and she was so lazy about going to the grocery store that we either ordered pizza or went through the drive thru of whatever fast food chain she was in the mood for.  On the other nights, I had to "scrounge up something" for myself.  She actually used to say that to me.  Sorry, but you're gonna have to scrounge something up tonight.  I'd "understand".  But what was there to scrounge?  Instant mashed potatoes.  Captain Crunch Cereal.  A bag of Tater Tots. A tube of croissants.  Real nutritional, huh?  

My NGrandmom used to put me on diets and into athletic programs during the summers, but she was just as bad.  She would sneak up behind me at the dinner table and poke me to see how fat my shoulders were.  Surprised she didn't just stick an apple in my mouth. :roll:  When I told my mom about that later, she was all shocked and got mad.  Oh, and started talking about how badly she was treated by her own mother.  When I asked her why she left me at grandmom's all the time (I practically lived there because she was the babysitter when my mom was on dates), she said it was because she thought grandmom was nicer to me.  Even after she'd seen grandmom's tantrums and threatened her that if she continued she never see her grandchild again.  :roll:   But I digress.

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I can bike. I can even jog some again! My Nparents, especially Nmom, were death on participating in sports and PE -- they would not let us do it, they would not give a reason why out side of "we can't afford it". Self-care is an abberation in our household.


Isn't it amazing?  Sports were practically banned in my household, too.  The reason was that sports were for idiots who couldn't do anything better with themselves.  Sports were for the masses.  Sports were antithetical to art, culture, and intellectualism.  It took a looooong time for me to finally break through all those lies to discover that I love dancing and playing basketball - and yes, jogging.  And isn't it amazing what a good hour of physical exercise will do for your mood?  You're so right about better means of self-care.  Eat better foods, feel better.  Get excercise, feel better.  And all of a sudden, there you are in a 10-12. :D But guess what?  When I started playing basketball, my mom told me that she used to play, too.  In fact, she took over the conversation with all her basketball insight.  Groan.  How do they live with all their contradictions???

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The funny thing was the more weight I lost, the more detached I could become from her anger. It was like I became more self-contained, more myself.


Me, too.  I felt like I was finally showing through all the fat.  THIS is what I really look like.  THIS is really who I am.  Not that fat miserable person you insulted and criticized.  THIS is who I am when you're not making me miserable.

THIS is who I am...plus flappy skin. :roll: :wink: Well, I finally started looking into surgery because I finally decided that it would be okay.  Wow is it expensive, though!  Humph.  Maybe I'm gonna have to learn to live with it after all! :wink:  Something about deciding it would be okay made me feel a little less resentful, though. Or maybe it was doing the research and thinking about a life beyond this literal baggage.

Wildflower
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And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2004, 02:23:16 PM »
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The funny thing was the more weight I lost, the more detached I could become from her anger. It was like I became more self-contained, more myself.


What a great way to think about it and what a great feeling!
I have a lot to lose but I'm going to try to use this idea to help me focus.

Thankyou for this thread and all the posts.

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« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2004, 01:02:15 AM »
I was called porker by my Dad and brothers. Nice, huh. I wasn't even fat. It was just something to make me feel less than. But then my Dad called my brother zero. I guess he had a name for everyone.

I lost about 160 pounds when I got rid of my N though. He weighed about that much I reckon.

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« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2004, 12:49:09 PM »
That bites!!!  Those cutting words that hit the core, Renee. :(

But 160 pounds!!!!!

That's fantastic!!!  Congratulations to you!!!! :D

No easy accomplishment, I'm sure!!

Wildflower

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« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2004, 05:47:09 PM »
Hi renee,

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I lost about 160 pounds when I got rid of my N though. He weighed about that much I reckon.


 :lol: Thanks for the laugh.  It took me a minute to realize you were talking about your N's weight, but that's a great way of thinking about it!  Hmm.  So I guess I've lost more like 550 pounds if you total all the N's who are no longer running my life! :lol:  :lol:

Wildflower
If you want to sing out, sing out
And if you want to be free, be free
'Cause there's a million ways to be, you know that there are
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