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Twoapenny

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Disassociating
« on: May 14, 2010, 03:07:10 PM »
Hi everyone,

Is disassociating the same as multiple personality?  Last week was horrendous for me.  I think I was disassociating but being more aware it was happening than usual.  I think I've blocked stuff out completely in the past but now it's more like a foggy feeling and I feel like I'm watching rather than being there.  I don't have a completely different self - I've read about people with personalities of different ages or even different sexes.  It's not like that.

I was doing a bit of research on the internet but disassociation kept coming up with MPD.  Is it the same thing?  Does anyone know if it's possible to stop disassociating?  Or to bring yourself back to yourself if it does happen?

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #1 on: May 14, 2010, 08:10:13 PM »
Twoapenny,

I hope this link helps answer some of your questions.

http://psychcentral.com/lib/2008/in-depth-understanding-dissociative-disorders/2/

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #2 on: May 16, 2010, 02:41:20 AM »
Thanks for this Lollie, I will keep reading it, it's looks very useful but usually takes me a few reads to get my head around things!  The list of 'symptoms', as it were, are very apt so I think it will help.  Thank you

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #3 on: May 16, 2010, 09:21:37 AM »
I imagine that was a frightening experience. Be patient Twoapenny.  I think in a day or two you may receive some more answers that are helpful.

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #4 on: May 16, 2010, 11:04:05 AM »
Thanks GS, it is freaking me out a bit, I'm starting to feel like someone else lived my life for me and I've only just realised :(  I'm finding it a bit too deep for my liking, to be honest.  I don't know what's real and what isn't.

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2010, 11:18:42 AM »
Twoapenny - hold on to something tightly and know that it is real and that relief is coming.  You are on a path of healing and it can be very scary at times.  Believe that you will come through.  Think of a young child, frightened in a hospital who needs a treatment to get well but is afraid of that treatment.  What would you say or do for her to help her get the care she needs?


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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2010, 04:00:13 PM »
Twoapenny,

Here's a link with some ideas for grounding yourself when you feel like you're dissociating. I find it helpful to focus on my senses to stay present and get rid of the awful "floaty" or "spacey" feeling, or when I'm dealing with a flashback. Focusing on being in the present through smell and touch really helps. Doing something physical helps, too.

http://www.wwu.edu/chw/counseling/subpages/subselfhelp/Grounding.shtml

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #7 on: May 17, 2010, 08:20:05 AM »
Hey Tup:

yes, way back when... dissociation was pretty tightly linked to MPD; these days most professionals realize they're different animals - even though there is still some overlap of symptoms. When I was dealing with old memories that started to become conscious again, I also had to deal with a level of dissociation that returned with the memories. In some ways, the dissociation was a lot scarier than what I was remembering.

I feel like I'm repeating myself... but you need to hear this. There is a whole scale or range of dissociation. "Tuning out", being "preoccupied", or daydreaming is a technically a type of "dissociation" that most people experience rather frequently. A more intense version occurs for some people when facing a life threatening situation, or sexual assault or other trauma. In children, the fear can be very great - so much so that the usual fight/flight response can expand it's repertoire (so to speak) to include a "freeze" response - and the brain will then intervene to remove the child's senses and awareness from the situation by "going somewhere else", watching from somewhere outside of the body, going away with "angels".... and countless other child fantasies, I'm sure. This type of dissociation is involved in PTSD responses, too.

GS's suggestion of grounding exercises is the right thing, when you feel like something is coming up and about to spiral out of control. Consciously slow down your breathing - methodically tense then relax muscles from one end of your body to another - count to 10, then count backwards... hold your hands together, fingers & thumbs touching, as if cupping a small light fluffy kitten in them and rest your hands on your stomach as you breathe in - and out - of the space between your hands.... and the moment of terror passes. You can learn to re-ground yourself in the space of less time than it takes for a bathroom break. You can add things that work for you too; but the idea is that you are giving yourself a moment to be consciously aware of the fact that you ARE present - in your body - and that you ARE SAFE. in that very moment.

With old memories resurfacing, they tend to bring along a second problem - this fear of dissociation, too. For me, this was a much bigger fear than what I remembered happened to me. I was afraid I would re-experience the intense version of it and at the same I was mesmerized by it... I wanted to know what it was; study it... see if I could induce it... (ok, that's probably pretty morbid & weird!!!) and the end result was that the fear of the dissociation quickly dissapated along with my inability (and frustration about that failure) to reproduce the state. No, I couldn't make myself go into "that other world"... No, I couldn't just slide into it "accidentally" - to the point that I did in the original experience. Yes, I still remembered enough of the feeling... to be able to use it constructively, to protect myself even, when in highly charged situations. Now, I even use it to reground myself sometimes.

The flip side of my failure to reproduce the state, was total relief that I wasn't "crazy". Some experiences, feelings, memories are so traumatic that our brains go into "last resort" rescue operations for our identity/self... and they "dissociate" - or isolate, separate, wall off, cut out - the feelings, the memory, the bits of experience that go into the thoughts like "this can't be happening - to ME". That's the kind of dissociation that I think is involved with PTSD... and that kind of PTSD (again - to a degree) shows up particularly in child-victims of various kinds of trauma who have odd "gaps" in their memory (not exclusively).

For me, I was able to - this many years later - to describe in sensory detail the events of a specific day - right up until the "blank" space of that extreme dissociation. Took me a few years of therapy & journal writing & sitting with those memories, but I was able to apply what I call "emotional forensics" to all the facts I could assemble, the timelines I could firmly establish, and piece together what happened in the blank space time - not what I experienced - but what happened. And THEN, I could finally deal with all the emotions, realities, the flotsam-jetsom of that experience that was floating around loose in my psyche... and resolve, let go, and move on.

And yes, I STILL use grounding techniques!!  :D  I think this is one of those things I should've been taught as a little kid, but wasn't.
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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2010, 07:10:00 AM »
hi twoapenny,

I dissociate, or detach, but have only one personality. I certainly do know how it feels to believe that my life isn't real.. that life itself is not real. That I must have dreamed everything!

I read this and had the same feeeling all over again, as some things are just hard to believe.....just too plain hard to believe..... that whatever was/is a part of our lives.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread60567/pg1


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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2010, 08:05:09 PM »
Lollie and Izzy, thanks for those links, I will have a look at them tomorrow.

Phoenix, there were so many things in what you wrote that rang true with me that I had to leave replying for a while to wait for my head to calm down a bit.  Knowing things is good, but also scary, if you know what I mean?

I think this latest spell was triggered by me remembering (or starting to remember).  My therapist gets me to write down as much as I can every day.  I was reading back over what I'd written the previous week and the evening after our session I wrote about being abused - quite detailed in a sensory way - what I could smell, hear, feel etc.  I don't remember having the memory or writing about it, or much else for that week after.  I feel like I was reading something someone else had written.  I knew where I'd been - I looked on the calendar and could remember each place that was listed and remember going there, who else was there, what I did and so on.  But I can't remember how I felt or anything we talked about.  I think that was what was really freaking me out - it's the first time it's been really obvious that I somehow function without really being there, if you know what I mean.

What you wrote about doing the emotional forensics also really rang true - I think this has been a big trigger for me over the last few weeks.  About a month ago I bumped into an old boyfriend (it's been twenty years since we dated).  We had a number of conversations about old times, and there's one night in particular when he talked about us being intimate together.  I remember the night very clearly.  I remember what I was wearing, where we went, who we went with, where we stayed the night and so on.  But I have no memory at all of us having sex.  I wasn't drinking that night because I drove and I remember that very clearly so it wasn't drink to blame, I was very happy with this guy and very close to him so the sex would have been consensual and not forced or coerced in any way, I remember before very clearly and remember seeing him the next day as well.  But no memory at all of the sex - although when he mentioned it I did know which night he meant and knew what I was wearing.  Which means on some level I must know it happened, but I have no visual memory of it at all.  That really frightened me because it was the first real proof I had that I am able to completely block things out - and not even know.

I've been doing breathing exercises and spending a lot of time outdoors with my boy, and just keeping quiet and trying to focus on doing things.  It's helped and I'm starting to feel better - more together and more 'real'.  My past feels foggy, though, any my head feels stuffed up.  But it's getting better and it's starting to clear.  Thank you.

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2010, 08:22:28 AM »
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I think that was what was really freaking me out - it's the first time it's been really obvious that I somehow function without really being there, if you know what I mean.

Yeah, I know exactly what you mean! That's what I meant by having an additional thing to deal with - on top of the actual memories. It almost unhinged me a few times, fer real.

The good news in all this, is that once you can piece together the bits around the piece that is blocked - whether that memory ever comes back or not - with those emotional forensics... the good news is that you're going to feel way more "real" than you have in a long time, at least that's how it worked for me. Until then, go slowly... take it easy on yourself or at least find a pace that you are comfortable with and that still allows you to function. Give yourself breaks in remembering and try to do light-weight fun things during those breaks. I found that a simple cup of tea outside... and not really doing anything except inhaling nature and tea... was able to help me break with the obssessive curiousity, or need to know, that drove me to exhaust myself remembering. Still, my T was always telling me to slow down!! I thought she didn't want me to re-injure myself; but that wasn't quite it - rather it was that if you run through the remembering process too quickly, you might miss a detail or not fully process the meaning of parts of the memory. And of course, I went back to do that... revisiting things...

One thing I noticed, was that after the initial "introduction" into that process and making "contact" with those locked doors in my mind... my capacity to dredge up or drag out of the dark, locked cabinet those long, lost memories grew - up until a certain point. There is still a point in my chronology or timeline of remembering, where I simply can't go or I wasn't what we call "conscious" at all. Learning to live with that, too, became part of healing.

Body work, in the form of yoga or tai chi, really helps you ground yourself in your body... and when you're in the depths of "remembering" something awful; something that is incredibly painful or confusing from that "other" reality... the practice of those kinds of physical movement/breathing postures or forms can support you through the process and give you the energy to break on through to the other side... without burning yourself out. This kind of work sort helps you "tune" the abilities of the brain... and emotions... from the physical side. Or so my theory goes!! ::blushing:: 

It will be OK, Tup... it will be alright... there will be a "happy ending", though it will be totally different than you can imagine at this time.
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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2010, 08:39:32 AM »
Two,
I don't remember a lot of my childhood and I do remember letting my mind wander elsewhere - to a blank place. I think it is more harmless that a personality disorder and just allows us to cope.
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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2010, 09:13:59 AM »
!Off topic with a query!

Hi Izzy

wondering, what interests you about conspiracy stuff, like that above top secret thread? I clicked and scanned and thought something along the lines of: this sounds like pure bunkum. Do I need to take note of what is written here? Does it affect my life in any way? No.

Maybe it's an interesting distraction/time-structurer! On the other hand, maybe it's a good reminder of how very very strange some people are. Yes i think so. How about you?

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2010, 01:27:03 PM »
Hi Portia,

Some hobby I have.......eh?

On one hand, I tie this in with life seeming unreal, because of things that happen to us, yet we know they are real.

Also, for some of us, we dare not tell certain things to others in case we are thought of as crazy.

Also, in following along on a given topic, I am so far away from my own life, I don't think of my problems.....a way to dissociate from my own life, forget my aches and pains and other things.

I watch movies that suspend belief, as opposed to romance movies that do not suspend belief and might make be feel cheated.

I recall the day JFK was assassinated and 'knew' it was a set-up when Jack Ruby killed Oswald on live TV.  (I was 24.) I have always wanted to have an acceptable answer on that one, before I died, and it was the first thing I researched after the car struck me 14 months ago, and I needed a diversion. (still do.) (It's interesting that the sealed files were to be revealed...I think 2029... but many have been, already, with redactions, because the conspiracy was so obvious.

I remember the alien crash ar Roswell, as well, and was one frightened little girl (-8-) but in a few years no more talk and everything went away.

As long as it is interesting, I can get into books, movies, speculations and the time passes better. I watched the movie 'Category 6: Day of Destruction' the other night and I felt as though the tornado and hurricane were taking place for real.

THEN there is always relief to come back to my life, as in waking up from a nightmare, and I appreciate my boring life better.

Escapism too?

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Re: Disassociating
« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2010, 08:09:20 PM »
Thanks Izzy, as hobbies go, I like yours. Things that seem unreal - but we know they are real - but also know that the vast majority might think we're crazy...yeah, yup. I've always been pretty stubborn about what I 'know'...not sure where I got that from. I must have learned it? Maybe my old grandad. He probably taught me 'facts from opinion' or his version of it. Strangely enough if I'm sure about what I know, I'm not afraid of what others think....let them think I'm crazy. But then I'm choosy about being sure about anything.

Consciously dissociating has got to be a top brain activity! My many dentists would agree.

JFK - I'm probably open-minded on that, tending towards conspiracy of some sort. But Roswell tests my brain cells much much further (altho I admit to watching really bad sensationalist tv progs about it, because, well it's *fun*). What's most probable, aliens or humans,humans up to no good, as usual? Humans do such terrible, disgraceful, disgusting things to each other. I get a bit het up about the nuclear testing on humans (overt and covert), but it's whatever happens to us in our lifetimes and takes our interest I guess.

Raising a glass to escapism and boring lives! 8)  thanks Izzyfor your reply P