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KatG

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Re: Charm offensive?
« Reply #30 on: April 12, 2010, 06:55:05 PM »
Bear, can I ask you what about your family’s support that you found helpful? 
When you say ‘by your side’, etc?  Any examples?  I certainly don't want to make it worse.

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Re: Charm offensive?
« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2010, 02:15:35 AM »
((((((((((((Bear)))))))))))) thank you for sharing your experience.
I am not here in the first place because of my stepdaughter but because of the fact that I have a NM myself. However I myself have never felt much positive feelings towards my mother. Neither terribly negative. The dynamic of idealizing and idolizing I am not familiar with, my sister also never behaved that way. However I really hope that in the end my own experiences, all the help of the wonderful ladies here and my own learning and reading about narcissism will make a difference for my stepdaughter as well. Since I started to try to heal (four years ago) things luckily also have gotten better with me in the empathy department. So this is not only a good thing for myself but also for my stepdaughter (I really hope so!!). I do my utmost to have as much as possible empathy with my stepdaughter and I push her father to do so as well. Not for us, not to manipulate her in any way but for her mental health (and hapiness ofcourse). Not to say that her father does not have much empathy but he has a bit of a handicap from his own childhood (his father died when he was three years old, he was the last and sixth child and his mother could not really cope). I have experienced myself how damaging a NM is. I have suffered a lot from anxiety and depression, lack of assertiveness, etc.
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Re: Charm offensive?
« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2010, 05:49:32 AM »
I just came across this and thought that my H and I really should keep it in mind at all times:
http://www.anythingtostopthepain.com/
Dialectical Behavior Therapy Validation Strategies for Parents
By Christy Matta, MA
How Do We Validate
Validation and active listening techniques are specific ways of approaching your child to increase cooperation and balance the change we are often asking for from our children.
1. Responsiveness: Addressing our children with interest in what they are saying, doing and understanding. Expressing concern about his or her wishes and needs.
2. Warm engagement: Approaching kids with warmth and friendliness. Active positive communication with our voice, tone and posture.
3. Self-Disclosure: Communicating our own attitudes, opinions, and emotional reactions to our children, as well as reactions to how they are behaving.
4. Genuineness: Being ourselves, rather than always acting as “parent” or “authority figure.”
5. Vulnerability: Empowering them, rather than having an exclusively high-power-low-power relationship.
6. Cheerleading: Cheerleading is helpful in validating the person’s inherent ability to overcome difficulties and learn new skills. It is believing in our children, assuming the best, providing encouragement, focusing on their capabilities, contradicting other people’s criticisms that are not accurate, and providing praise and reassurance.
7. Articulating their unverbalized emotions, thoughts, or behavior patterns. Children are often unaware of their own feelings and behaviors. It is validating for us to give voice to what they are thinking and feeling.
Remember: what each individual child finds validating is different. One child may respond to simply being listened to, while another may respond when you articulate and express understanding for how he or she feels. Our children are not the only ones who can benefit from understanding and active listening. Husbands, friends, family and yes, even we, ourselves, need it. We all have times when we’ve got an important problem, emotional pain, are having trouble with change or are feeling out-of-control. Validation can help us and our children make necessary changes and face challenges.
In my house, once I stop pushing everyone to ‘get things done,’ I find the solutions come fairly easily. My kids will pick up the toys if I assure them they can keep out their favorite. They’ll put their dishes in the dishwasher if we spend dinner talking about their day and I notice small attempts they’ve made to be helpful around the house. My family life is not a fairytale of cooperation and teamwork, but I do find that when I’m paying attention and listening to my kids, I feel less like I’m alone in the never ending battle against disarray.


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Re: Charm offensive?
« Reply #33 on: April 13, 2010, 05:38:35 PM »
Just wanted to say thanks for this link to s hrinkformen, I want to come back and read this, but it looks pretty good.  'Magical shortage' and the 'tyranny of small mercies', interesting to find the same conclusion arrived at separately. 
I havent had time to read all the other posts.
Re your step daughter, I'd imagine she will be affected, but people find thier ways towards healing, tho its  hard to witness it in the meantime! 

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Re: Charm offensive?
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2010, 03:07:06 AM »
Yesterday I gave my stepdaughter a link to a website for children of all ages of a depressed parent. Because she has told us herself that het mother is depressed (I am certain it is more then "just" depression) so it was safe to address the depression. Her mother has been threatening with suicide these last twenty years at least but she never tried to do it. I think she uses it to get her way and manipulate people.
Yes, the Shrink for men site is a wonderful site. I have also read a lot on the forum, it is really interesting to read the experiences there.

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Re: Charm offensive?
« Reply #35 on: May 28, 2010, 09:08:55 AM »
I recently read an book called "Understanding the Borderline Mother" by Christine Lawson. It opened my eyes seriously to my own mom. It sounds like it might be helpful to you too. A borderline personality is a type of narcissistic personality.

The book also goes into how having a mom like this affects the children and the development of the children's personality. So not only might you get a deeper understanding of your husband's ex, but you might get a deeper understanding of how this 17 year old daughter's personality has been impacted.


@HeartofPilgrimage: I have just ordered the book. I had not forgotten about it but it took me a while.

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Re: Charm offensive?
« Reply #36 on: May 28, 2010, 12:42:23 PM »
IOW, once you know it for what it is...

N-charm is offensive.

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