Author Topic: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"  (Read 8348 times)

Dr. Richard Grossman

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #15 on: August 11, 2010, 12:50:43 PM »

Dr. G., my impression of you is that you could enter, learn fast and practice in the hinterlands with little problem.  Ever done or thought of doing that?

Hi tt,

Perhaps I could, but (luckily for my patients), when my mother put me down in one place when I was a small child, she could always count on my being there when she got back.  It's part of my character.  I bought a house (with my wife) 30 years ago--my first house--and here I am, still.  I don't like change--my wife tolerates this aspect of me.  (I guess I have a few other redeeming features???)

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #16 on: August 11, 2010, 03:11:03 PM »
I wonder, assuming that Ms. Merkin truly is one of the voiceless...

what has changed for her, that she can now write out her experience and make it public? Clearly, where the article ends, she feels confident enough in herself at last, to navigate her life without the safety net of another therapist. And even take the risk of making her journey public - which is a risk that I am not completely ready (nor see the real need) to take, preferring the "half-way" measure of sharing those stories here on the board instead. Yes, I'm still afraid of people's reactions to the story and even reactions to the fact that I was helped a great deal by therapy. There is still a lot of misunderstanding about what therapy is and how it works. Merkin has the advantage that the culture she lives in accepts that "Everyone needs therapy".

I had a horrible experience in an insurance interview - and was subsequently denied insurance - because of therapy. The man interrogated me in a badgering way to tell him why I'd gone to therapy - "stress", which was true, wasn't adequate for him - and he kept insisting that I was diagnosed as "something" - or was lying. He kept suggesting various things... and would not believe me when I told him I wasn't given a diagnosis and that it was none of his business what the topic of my therapy was. Eventually, I gave him my T's phone number and told him to ask her.

As memory serves, I stopped short of recommending therapy for him!
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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #17 on: August 11, 2010, 07:32:40 PM »
Thanks, Dr. Grossman, for the link to her first article.  Even though I have been on antipressants, been in therapy, I can say I have never felt the existance she has.  I understand your comments now about her condition.  So I reflected on how she is voiceless.  I always thought of it as another person taking my voice away.  Struggling to scream, someone holds your throat, denies your right to have a say.  I never realized that one's own illness can create the same feeling.  So her expectations of therapy would indeed be different from mine.

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #18 on: August 12, 2010, 03:59:51 AM »


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Dr. G., my impression of you is that you could enter, learn fast and practice in the hinterlands with little problem.

What I meant about 'learn fast', is the cultural differences you might encounter on entering the hinterlands.  Maybe not though, your essays resonated with me and out here in the hinterlands.   Hinterland or urban, I think your patient/client would be blessed.  

tt

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #19 on: August 12, 2010, 09:26:18 AM »
Hi PhoenixRising,

It is lucky for Ms. Merkin that therapy is so valued in NYC.  I'm not aware of any other place where this is true.  My guess is (and this is only a guess) her writing has made her life more bearable.  For many writing is a kind of escape from the terrible ruminative, self-critical world that many depressed people live in.  Part distraction, part "at least I can use some of these ruminations for some good", part "this is something I'm good at", part entering a different world, part this a piece of my life that I have some control of, etc.  Because she is a terrific writer, and perhaps a perfectionist--I would bet the positive reviews help as well.  One other comment about writing (related to your reaction to her making her struggles public):  writers put their "stuff" out there, and then wait for reviews, reactions, responses--but those responses are not immediate (like getting a response to something you said), the words have typically been pored over (perfected?), and the responses /can be received often when you are alone.  In other words, writing allows control where a conversation, argument, etc. does not.  I think this also allows the voiceless to write.

Your experience with the insurance agent is sadly typical.  The companies want to know whether you have ever suffered from depression because, if so, the suicide rates and their probability of having to pay a life insurance claim are significantly higher.  This has often been a difficult issue with my patients.  I'm really sorry you had to go through that.

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #20 on: August 12, 2010, 09:29:36 AM »


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Dr. G., my impression of you is that you could enter, learn fast and practice in the hinterlands with little problem.

What I meant about 'learn fast', is the cultural differences you might encounter on entering the hinterlands.  Maybe not though, your essays resonated with me and out here in the hinterlands.   Hinterland or urban, I think your patient/client would be blessed. 

tt



Thanks, tt!

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #21 on: August 13, 2010, 06:15:16 AM »
This was interesting.  she makes a good point, one that I have also seen--immersion in a real time relationship will also produce change, similar to therapy.  Anyway, interesting perspective--esp. about the correlation between literature-lovers and therapy-lovers.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-literary-mind/201008/does-therapy-change-you-or-do-you-need-lover-instead
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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #22 on: August 13, 2010, 07:27:12 AM »
Thanks, CB, for the link.  I enjoyed Ilana Simon’s post.   Here are a couple of the issues it raises for me:

While from the outside, therapy looks like therapy (e.g. all therapy looks alike), my belief is:   the sitting together with certain rules and obligations, while important, is ultimately overshadowed by the nature/personalities of the two people (not just the patient) in the room and the relationship that develops.  In this sense, each therapy is a unique relationship between therapist and patient (my relationship with every one of my patients is very different).  It is not, in some ways, useful to lump all the data together and call it therapy.  Are some outside (some would call them “real”) relationships more conducive to “positive change” than some therapy relationships?  Undoubtedly, but that would depend on the particular outside relationship and the particular therapy relationship.  Both can have dramatic effects on the attachment parts of the brain—for better, and unfortunately, for worse.  That said, for me certainly my marriage was more “healing” than either of my own two personal therapies, both of which did more harm than good—except that they taught me a lot about what not to do as a therapist.

I love great literature and therapy, too.  But not for the reasons Simon suggests.  I love both because each, in their own way, seeks the truth in ways unfettered by social appropriateness.  And both foster connection around that truth (in literature, with the characters, and ultimately the author).  In my “work”, this is probably as much a relief to me as it is to my patients.  I only wish I had found it in my own personal therapies.


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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #23 on: August 13, 2010, 11:31:49 AM »



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Dr. G., my impression of you is that you could enter, learn fast and practice in the hinterlands with little problem.

What I meant about 'learn fast', is the cultural differences you might encounter on entering the hinterlands.  Maybe not though, your essays resonated with me and out here in the hinterlands.   Hinterland or urban, I think your patient/client would be blessed. 

tt


Hi tt,

Let me take one more crack at your question/observation (I seem to have avoided it...)  What I have learned, I think, is that what I do/write resonates with very few people, but the ones for whom it does, the resonance is fairly strong.  I suspect, given that the posters (those for whom it resonates) here are from all over the country/world, I probably could practice in the "hinterlands".  I'm sure the wish and ability to make an attachment transcends culture.

Thank you again,

Richard

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #24 on: August 13, 2010, 12:46:31 PM »




Dr. G.,

Thanks for that.

I agree.

tt



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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #25 on: August 14, 2010, 01:08:48 AM »




Dear Dr. G.,

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What I have learned, I think, is that what I do/write resonates with very few people, but the ones for whom it does, the resonance is fairly strong.

Well, for me your essays resonated very strongly.  I hope that's a good sign.  Their effect on me may have saved my life. 

Thank you so much.

tt





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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #26 on: August 14, 2010, 04:43:17 PM »
Hi tt,

Well, for me your essays resonated very strongly.  I hope that's a good sign.  Their effect on me may have saved my life. 

In my opinion it's a good sign!  I'm so glad you found the essays, and that they resonated!

Thanks for sharing this with me,

Richard

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #27 on: August 17, 2010, 07:45:23 PM »

Hi Dr. G.,

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It is lucky for Ms. Merkin that therapy is so valued in NYC.


At the risk of trifling with details and elevating it beyond what you intended, may I ask, How so?

Is it because the chance of finding a good therapist is greater in NYC?

Or because NYC is a better environment all around because the people get more therapy?

Please don't throw me into the briar patch for asking all these questions!  :mrgreen:

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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #28 on: August 18, 2010, 08:33:00 AM »

Hi Dr. G.,

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"It is lucky for Ms. Merkin that therapy is so valued in NYC."


Is it because the chance of finding a good therapist is greater in NYC?

Or because NYC is a better environment all around because the people get more therapy?

Please don't throw me into the briar patch for asking all these questions!  :mrgreen:

tt

Hi tt,

No briar patch for you!

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Is it because the chance of finding a good therapist is greater in NYC?

Given Ms. Merkin’s experience, I would assume that the chances of finding a good therapist in NYC are not very good.  But I’m not sure they are worse than anywhere else.  I believe a good therapist is very hard to come by.  In my life, I tried twice and got recommendations from senior therapists whom I knew/worked with in Boston.  The first therapist (whom I’ve written about on this site) was destructive to me, and the second was a nice person who didn’t understand and ended up snapping at me for a dream I had (funny story a la Daphne Merkin which I’d be happy to tell in a separate post—I’d never before been reprimanded for my dreams).

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Or because NYC is a better environment all around because the people get more therapy?


As far as I know (although I haven’t lived in the area for years), the people in NYC are no better than anywhere else—even with all the therapy they get.  (Especially if they participate in the kind of therapy Ms. Merkin got/gets.)

The reason I think Ms. Merkin is lucky is that there is a stigma attached to going to therapy (esp. long-term and more than 1x per week) that is largely absent in NYC—at least in the circle I presume Ms. Merkin travels in.  Therapy is difficult enough without having to hide it from the people around you.  Boston is somewhat better in this respect than most American cities/towns.  But especially outside of academic circles, many people here are still uncomfortable with sharing this information, even when it’s an important part of their lives.

Richard
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Re: Daphne Merkin's "My Life in Therapy"
« Reply #29 on: August 18, 2010, 12:45:06 PM »
the second was a nice person who didn’t understand and ended up snapping at me for a dream I had (funny story a la Daphne Merkin which I’d be happy to tell in a separate post—I’d never before been reprimanded for my dreams).

Now I'm on the edge of my seat.
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