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CB123

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The Bottom Line
« on: September 26, 2010, 08:42:12 PM »
Wow.

This pretty much sums it up, IMO.  This is the only way you can deal with an N.  Cary is talking about a mother, but I have found that it is equally true with a spouse, or a "friend". 

For those of us who are still struggling with the injustice of it all...Cary presents the only way I can think of to come to grips with it.

http://www.salon.com/life/family/index.html?story=/mwt/col/tenn/2010/09/26/toxic_mother

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Re: The Bottom Line
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2010, 09:31:48 PM »
EXCELLENT article. Thank you.

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Re: The Bottom Line
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2010, 10:16:59 PM »
Thank you CB for sharing this.  Yep, I agree 100%.  When we realize someone's an N, we just need to give up the expectation for a "normal" relationship.  Sad, but true, but also very liberating.

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Re: The Bottom Line
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2010, 11:15:43 PM »
Yup yup yup, CB.

That's all familiar stuff, very useful. ::nodding::

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Re: The Bottom Line
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2010, 05:43:47 AM »
Good one, CB - I thought about copying some of the better short statements, but instead, I suggest that folks just read the whole thing. Makes total sense. But, that's from where I sit now... once, the article would've upset me, 'coz I simply couldn't work out "how this could be"...

There is a tricky point - or place - where we have "bonded" with these kinds of moms (or N-womb-donors, to borrow Bones' phrase)... where we're stuck in an impossible loop or attachment or process of banging our heads on a brick wall & hoping for a different result other than a headache... where we've tried all kinds of creativity, denials, fantasies... even to the point of thinking that "the problem" is US... where we try to make the N (or mentally ill person)... into a normal person and have a normal relationship of the "usual" reciprocal depth and intimacy and respect. It's even possible to make oneself ill, with very real physical symptoms, in the process.

This Cary guy (gal?) goes a step further than I did, once upon a time. I saw a "way out" of this dilemma, by tagging myself "an orphan with living parents"... but Cary's right: it's even better to see them as not existing in the shared human experience of reality. There is no way we can ever decipher the rules that govern their universe; and it's just as pointless to expect that they'd care about our universe.

Thanks for this, CB.
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Re: The Bottom Line
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2010, 09:18:21 AM »
Yes, Cary does a good reply. I hope 'seething' gets it. Hope she steps away from that dance. Interesting that the therapist says she'd feel guilty without contact? Maybe she would.

I found the article about gifts interesting too. Very honest, it seemed.