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Finding voicefulness......losing......finding.....practicing..
Meh:
Wow, the poor people in JAPAN!!!
My little problems are very significant to me and my life---but when something huge like this happens--wow. It makes me want to even love the nar-people in my life--almost.
Why do disasters make people so sentimental--is it a coming to reality and waking up or is it an accentuated experience that alters one's mood.
I prefer to think it is a reminder in a very real way to make the most out of life--if at all possible.
Some people say this is a part of (2012) prophesy, I don't want to buy in 100% to all of the new-age ideas but there have been some very good predictions and I do believe in this kind of instinctual intelligence. This in combination with our huge oil spill and Haiti for me already confirms prophesy ability. Mother nature is the biggest shock and awe there is.
Today I just feel sad and shocked about the Earthquakes. I know it's far away but I still want to cry. I overheard a conversation today between two women, one of the women has her daughter over there near one of the reactors--very stressful for some people now.
I did a couple of important things for myself today but don't feel like writing about it yet--until I find out more.
My second volunteer thing kicked in after a long wait--so that means I will be reading books to kids and setting up art projects etc.
I don't know how I feel about it but I'm just going to go with it for now.
My mother is visiting me tomorrow and I feel anxiety and conflict--as usual this is what I feel like before she visits me.
Meh:
--- Quote from: teartracks on March 10, 2011, 01:28:21 PM ---
Hi Muffin Buster,
I'm not interested in a debate about it, if you disagree that's fine.
I'm just going to say it, I don't like OLD men. That is just my preference. I don't like the double standards between men and women
I like it that we all have the freedom to express our preferences and boundaries. I respect the right of everyone to express their thoughts here. Mine is just 1 woman's opinion. Not very significant in the big picture!
tt
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Tear Tracks, I think about this sort of thing, when different people don't have the same opinion about something and the end result of ----
Does a person lose their voicefulness if there is not agreement?
I think some people feel like they have lost their own voice when another person disagrees with them.
I know I have felt this way at times --and I have learned that I will not maintain my own sense of voicefulness if it's dependant on everyone agreeing with me. Because that is not the real world.
I think sometimes people do lose their voicefulness and then I think there really are situations where people can have different opinion but still keep their own voicefulness.
I'm working on this sort of thing. There are things on this board that I don't agree with because I have a different life perspective, usually I don't comment on them.
But I am working on somehow maintaining my own sense of voice even when there are others in this big world that believe something or do something that --leads to me thinking or experiencing a sense of voice loss. I have to allow people to be them, and still experience me---and not always homogenize opinion or view point. I am learning to let go of somethings--but still holding on at the same time. ?
Just because others in this world may not respect my voice, see life my way or have conflict of interests------figuring out how to still be me even when other's reflect back to me that my ideas are "wrong" or "different" or my voice is not on their side etc.
Dealing with people on a day-to-day basis, I have received a lot of judgemental, negative, bleak, discouraging feedback about my life situation and I have had to deal with it by leting go of other's opinions and sticking with my own internal compass/voice. I have had to have a different kind of faith in my integrity--or else I would go really really crazy.
Meh:
--- Quote from: PhoenixRising on March 11, 2011, 08:49:45 AM ---In my mind, I'd raised the level of risk so impossibly high that I scared myself to death and put way too much pressure on myself - and duh... that wasn't much fun. It also threw a huge wet blanket over my creativity, too... automatically lowering my ability; inhibiting myself; reducing my choices.
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Maybe I am learning something similar to what you described
In the past I did work in life and death situations--but the volunteer thing is not that at all--so I don't need to carry over my habits.
My family also raised me to me very serious- there was not a lot of fun growing up-everything seemed to have grave consequences.
I like how you point out that you moved between winging it and being more careful.
This is when I wonder if we get pegged with a "personality" when it's habits or learned behavior.
I want to think that my personality is bigger then habitual patterns.
Meh:
Recently I came across a new idea: There is such a thing as more than one voice!
I know it's sort of obvious but I have been thinking about my voice in terms of the voice that belongs to authentic (1) SELF......
What if my authentic SELF and even not so authentic self (ha ha whatever this means)......has more than one voice.
You know like a musician playing more than a single instrument. I don't mean two faceness here--I think what I mean is, um I'm not sure right now. Ha Ha HA
Maybe it's like the voice is a river and it could branch out into new streams to include areas outside of it's normal riverbanks.
Wow voice is completely conected with ME-ness. I do something new and I think that I have developed voice # 2 to go along with a new activity.
So now I think about mindfulness meditation--no thinking mind. Where does voicefulness come in here.
No thinking seems like it would = no voice.
Because having a voice is related to formulating thought and that is thinking (I think).
OR actualy we CAN formulate thought without thinking. It sounds really weird in words but makes sense in practice.
I had such a full day today (3) meetings nothing to do with the volunteering. So I can rest now, I can read for fun or take a break and not feel guilty. Yay for no guilt in relaxing.
sKePTiKal:
--- Quote ---OR actualy we CAN formulate thought without thinking. It sounds really weird in words but makes sense in practice.
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I know what you mean. I called it "emotional thinking" and it doesn't have any words. That's a kind of voice, too.... on some vibrational wavelength that's outside normal human hearing (dogs CAN hear it, I know). I don't know that it's "more true" or "more real" or "more self"... I think it might be just more instinctive, an earlier form of "thought" in our genes left over from the evolutionary time before speech and language. There are times when I can sense communication at this level in people, F2F. The non-verbal cues and communication.
Ya know - there's something really significant and big about your observation that some people feel voiceless unless there's a whole bunch of people agreeing with them. I can't put it into words yet. There's some connection to what GS is learning about dismissiveness there... and I'm being too dense this morning to see it.
Japan - Hokusai's Wave block print...
while it's seemed for the past couple of years that opposing, confrontational "sides" were being drawn up between groups of people at so many levels and people were choosing which side they were on and beginning to fight and argue intensely... others despairing, grieving and afraid... some still trying to make things better...
along comes a giant reminder from Mother Nature and the universe that we are ALL little beings on the same planet and it can all change in seconds and all the things we - in our ego-vanity - think are so important we have to alienate those who disagree with us over those things... all that is an insignificant little blip on the scale of processes and timeframes of planetary change. ----- Universe time, so we've been told (but I think no one really knows) is infinite and while, to us, our existence seems long - in that time-model... you'd better not blink!
At first, I just felt so helpless in the face of the immensity - helpless and shocked and sad. I couldn't post from that place; I didn't want to voice that... it seems so "negative" and one should try not to spread that kind o' crap around... in some value-systems, anyway. Later, seeing the graphics that showed the formation and travel of the waves... I realized - HOLY CRAP - that wasn't just a negative emotion... it was a friggin' fact! This was a planetary event on such a cataclysmic scale... I even just saw that higher than normal waves are still occuring on the west coast and hubs was wondering how long it takes a whole ocean to settle back down and stop "sloshing". I'm reminded of the movie "Independence Day"... that's one of my fav movies, even tho it's cheesy and hokey and almost B movie sci-fi. But that was a movie - and this is "my god" real.
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