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Meh

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Emotional Health
« on: May 18, 2011, 02:42:06 AM »
Can I have emotional health in a introverted way? (Im introverted and I never see that being any different)
When one has had poor quality relationships ....what more is there to look forward to with people?
Lately, sometimes I feel like I just hate people. I'm not suppose to say it but there it is.
I walk into class and someone will blurt out my name and say hi, and I'm not friendly, I'm just dull, and all I can think is I've only known this person for the brief duration of this class what does that matter if I'm not friendly to them?
I think some of it stems from just being overburdened and also keeping it all to myself, I really don't tell people very much about me, why would I --I would be offering a devaluation of myself by sharing about me.

I think the only reason why people try to get to know other people is to utilize them in some way.

What is there...to build a real relationship off of?  Me doing things for other people as a volunteer is not a real relationship.

Do I have to be friendly to be emotionally surviving?

What if things like gardening and nature are the only things that I enjoy.

I just can't generate friendly energy all the time, only on some little occasions I smile at people for no reason at all.

Am I not emotionally surviving at all?
I really don't get a lot of pleasure out of interacting with people on a daily basis, maybe only sometimes.
There is not a single person that I really enjoy seeing, they all might as well be plastic robots??

I think I'm just in a funk, going to put it here so I can remember how I was feeling.

What if emotional survival requires that we lie to ourselves? What if emotional survival requires a type of happier-ending-story that we must tell ourselves even if it's not accurate.  

I seem to be more socially emotionally acceptable (In my opinion) when I tell stories to myself. Usually the story is always how someday things will be better. The same story my parents told me. That some day never comes though, it's not the revolving of the earth that makes the difference. That some day could have been 10 years ago, yesterday.
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Twoapenny

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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2011, 06:59:41 AM »
Boat, I think when you have been emotionally damaged by people it is very natural to not be particularly interested in being with or around people.  If you'd survived plane crash it wouldn't be unusual if you were reluctant to step onto a plane again so I don't think it's odd that you are finding people difficult at the minute.  You have been through so much.

I still prefer my own company.  The thought of working in a big office surrounded by people all day fills me with horror.  I even get grumpy if the park's busy when we go; I'd just rather not have to interact with people.  I have a few friends who I enjoy being with.  I spent several months last year being a virtual recluse; I barely left the house, didn't socialise, I didn't even use the board for a while.  I just needed some time to be me, to be on my own, to not keep seeing myself as I thought others saw me.  Immerse yourself in your gardening and your nature.  Let it help you heal and I bet one day, there will be a conversation with somone that you come away from thinking, "do you know what, I quite enjoyed that". xx

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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2011, 07:45:26 AM »
Hi boat,
I came across a book by Joan Borysenko recently published about emotional burnout.
I have not read the book yet I did read excerpts on googlebooks.
It was interesting to see that she talks about adjusting your life to meet your personality (she talks about MBTI) rather than the other way around. I remember going once to a job interview. The employer was aware of MBTIs and clearly stated that she was looking for an MBTI that was the complete opposite of me. That showed me that there is no such thing and right and wrong way to be. You - and each one of us - are who you are, unique and precious creation. What you've been through is what makes you, YOU. Maybe it's hard to swallow that one is who they are because of their difficult upbringing, but it is something I am also working with at the moment. When I took the Briggs-Myers test and read and identified with being introverted, I don't think that even if the social norm dictate that we all be friendly with everyone at all times, I would be able to conform.
On a spiritual level I know that maybe I should make an effort to be at times friendlier because that would give me better quality relationships but I can't force myself to do it so it becomes a vicious circle.
As for the happy ending you're talking about, I also think it's subjective. Maybe you could ask yourself if the happy ending you have been served with is the happy ending you are looking for in the first place.

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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2011, 09:12:50 AM »
Hi Boat,
I wonder if when someone you know (a bit) calls your name, you feel a squirt of adrenalin.
Because you are just burned out from what you're going through. And when the adrenals are exhausted,
even the simplest socializing, which only means two beagles are touching noses, feels like a forced march.

Perhaps the sheer doggedness and effort of this transition time in your life is like an endurance march.
Stopping to admire a little human flower (like a "Hi") is just more extra energy than you can spend.
Flowers/plants only give energy, but with humans, the energy goes two ways. And most of yours has to go to your healing/rescue.
The climb is on and if you get diverted by human flowers, maybe you fear you'll never get over the steep part to some level walking?

The only thing I fantasize is some way of signalling to others who do feel friendly that you may not be
able to respond with similar energy but have noted and perhaps appreciated their greeting...whether a
response like that might make you feel better about yourself. IOW, to respond without really engaging, what might work?

(I don't know.) Just free associating.

"Hey, I'm feeling burned out, probably won't talk much today." I dunno, is that TMI?

I was thinking about your class and the monologue you went through about not going.

I think you're probably absolutely right about the insipid material and how it is presented and how inadequate it is to address
the massive existential thoughts you are dealing with. Mjuch less be adequate for your level of creativity, individualism, and uniqueness.
But I think you should go anyway. Because what can happen for you is beneath the content or the topic or the presentation.

I may not express this very well and have 3 minutes, so please forgive if it's clumsy.

I think the critical thing when one is lost or floundering is to navigate to a place (with care) where one can experience humility
without shame
. IOW, when you are in the canoe and have never had a paddling lesson and then one paddle is snatched by
a snapping turtle (okay, a very big snapping turtle) and despite your intelligence, your strong arms, and your keen vision,
all you know is the boat is rocking (not in a good way) and that there are dangerous rapids ahead.

Fortunately for you, there is an unattractive, obnoxious and irritating guide at the other end of the canoe. This person has
on a hideous shirt, seems dull as dirt intellectually, and behaves like the world's most boring and unimaginative boyscout (or
girlscout). But you are in that boat, and this person is the one who, with one paddle, can skillfully get you out of the rapids
and into a calm eddy where you can reorient, and s/he'll teach you one-paddle self rescue. (In an obnoxious fashion, of
course, because that's who s/he is.)

If you need help, then you need help. And as you are moving through things, you are going to be helped by a whole series
of these guides. They are not always going to be right and their tools may be cheap and generic (like a boring chipped up
paddle and ugly canoe) ... but if you need help, and you're not interested in drowning in the rapids, they're what you've got.

I think if you ask yourself not to "believe in" any ONE guide, but just continue showing up, continue cooperating, and practice
your paddling like they have suggested as earnestly as you can (even when you're flailing at the water), that the thing beneath
the content will get stronger and more effective and one day, doing your followup work or sitting and listening, something
will shift, and you will be not magically ready to persist and move forward and try again, but you will be ready o persist and
move forward and try again.

I think accepting help, even ugly and boring help, without shame (or minimizing your shame at every opportunity with
thought-stopping) will result in coordination and confidence. Really from nothing more than practicing the paddling.
Hard and tedious but when you show up and remain earnest and overlook who the guide is or what the canoe looks like
then the water beneath the canoe (the thing beneath the content) will begin to lift you. You'll find that the receiving help
experiences add up to something. Each little sweaty straining one slowly turn into becoming a canoeist.

Now I should go and not reread this because it's so rambling I'm afraid it loses its usefulness, but take anything helpful
and drown the rest!

hug
Hops
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

Meh

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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 01:40:08 AM »
Thank you all, I just needed to hear you all tell me I'm emotionally burnt-out, I guess I was fighting that concept a little bit but there it is plain and simple I am emotionally burnt out ITS TRUE.

Thank you Hops for your story that was generous of you.
It's dawning on me, after volunteering with kids /maybe even in your story also there is a little bit of an area of growth for me in impulse control maybe. The impuse being --get frustrated or angry and quit --oh I remember the big ol--GIVE UP!

I did go manage to hear some awesome live music today that put me into a better spirit. I LUV music.

There is a saying : Life beats down and crushes the soul, art reminds you that you have one.
~Stella Adler

The comment above about humans having a "giving and taking" but the plant world/natural world having more of a just "give" energy.
I feel like I can be in harmony with nature if I sit there long enough and just look at the plants and keep thinking "how beautiful...how beautiful"
The feeling is a togetherness for me.

Humans on the other hand almost always feel fractured to me or ? What does a good interaction with another human feel like?

I was listening to musicians having musical conversations, I'm sure it's something that musicians must learn carefully not to dominate a performance and allow all the other instruments their sounds to happen and come through also. At the end all the musicians played together all at once in a jumbled way and it was very playful..also like a bunch of kids all simultaneously making chatter-talking all at once. But PLAYFUL being the operative word. It's sort of the spirit that it's done with that's important. People all talking at once could be a fight. But if people all talking at once are doing the same thing and playing....it's just different.  

Music makes me wonder if we could all stop using words and just make expressive sounds would we accomplish the same. Do the words matter at all or is it the interacting style that is most important...I don't know that is a very random thought--nothing to do with the start of the post.

I mean how terrible is it-- in a band if everytime the smallest band member tries to blow his horn another member comes over and puts a big wad of gum in the pipe......isn't that pretty much voicelessness. How would you ever learn how to play--in a very subversive way? You have to take your horn elsewhere and pluck out the gum and play that horn in secret? Anywho. Night.
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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 02:24:12 AM »
There is a saying : Life beats down and crushes the soul, art reminds you that you have one.
~Stella Adler
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Love that!  And oh so true! :)  Glad you're feeling a little better xx

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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 08:01:38 AM »
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I think if you ask yourself not to "believe in" any ONE guide, but just continue showing up, continue cooperating, and practice
your paddling like they have suggested as earnestly as you can (even when you're flailing at the water), that the thing beneath
the content will get stronger and more effective and one day, doing your followup work or sitting and listening, something
will shift, and you will be not magically ready to persist and move forward and try again, but you will be ready o persist and
move forward and try again.

Wisdom, Hops - "Beginner's Mind", even.

This is one of the things I've been searching for, myself - I know I put it somewhere, where is it???
I used to "have" this in tai chi... and now I don't even have it when I try to practice myself, alone. Instead, all I have is the "shame" part... and that keeps me from practicing... and avoiding my teacher... and........... Sigh.
Success is never final, failure is never fatal.

Meh

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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 01:30:43 AM »
The only thing I fantasize is some way of signalling to others who do feel friendly that you may not be
able to respond with similar energy but have noted and perhaps appreciated their greeting...whether a
response like that might make you feel better about yourself. IOW, to respond without really engaging, what might work?
"Hey, I'm feeling burned out, probably won't talk much today." I dunno, is that TMI?
hug
Hops

Well as it turns out she had the guts to say hello to me again, and this time I looked at her and smiled a little, and then she said "that's right I'm glad to see you"....


It was such an unexpected response that disarmed me really- I just stared at her like a confused kid smiling sort of because what she said is probably the same thing she would have said to a little kid....

Children don't have the "social graces" that adults do they are still in training and they don't always say what adults prompt them to say "tell the nice lady thankyou" (kid just stares)......

Social graces/etiquette are not authentic instead it's ritualized behavior--something that I lose patience and interest in at times.

Maybe it's okay to allow oneself childishness sometimes (because unfriendliness sometimes seems immature to me)....but it's authentic.

I think this person really gets it that I have "problems".... and really I'm impressed in a way at her social skills now.

Today I stopped on the sidewalk in the middle of an errand, I always mind-zoom to point B. La De da...
I decided to just look at a field of wild grass and weeds swaying gently in the wind creating textures with their different heights of leaves and fronds and wind patterns...really beautiful......I also have been looking at some baby birds that peep there heads out of a metal pipe hole (It's part of a metal light-post) They look down at me like "hay, whatcha doing down there?" That was my little nature for the day.



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Re: Emotional Health
« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 07:05:12 AM »
Good tale, Bones.

You allowed somebody to give you friendliness.

No matter how quirky or temporarily lost, you are part of the human community
and you belong. (Even when you don't FEEL like you belong, you still do.)

bravo,

Hops
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