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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #30 on: December 27, 2011, 07:28:46 PM »
The Saga continues.......

The main logistical thing to remember in this story is that I live 1 1/2 hours from NM, EACH way. 

We always have Christmas Eve dinner at our house. Then we always go to her house for Christmas. 

A few weeks ago I was mad at her for something.  I think she wanted to know why I never invite her to my house.  THe main reason is, I would have to go get her and take her back, since she now refuses to drive (the world is probably a safer place.) So I made a tactical error in pointing out that I USED to invite her all the time and she would never come.  I USED TO invite her every Christmas Eve and she would NEVER, EVER come.  Her hsuband even screamed at me for trying to pressure her into going to my house.  So I gave up. 

The bitch inviterd herself.  To MY house.  On Christmas Eve. 

Ted (who is way too nice for his own good) offered to pick her up, since he had to go to a nearby town to get his Dad from a nursing home, anyway.  We assumed his sister would be able to take her home, since she was also taking Dad home.  It came out late on the evening of the 23rd that SIL didnt have enough room in her car (which I should have thought of, had I done the math!) and we would have to find a ride home for MOM. 

NM calls me on Christmas eve morning to mess with me.  She wants to make sure somebody is going to pick her up. She was pissed to find out that it would not be my own dear husband taking her home, but some as-yet-undecided family member.  How could we be so mean to her! How could I do this to my own mother on CHRISTMAS!

Then she asked to speak to TEd, so she could try to manipulate him.  What a lot of bullshit!  Asking to talk to my own husband after I told her no.  I told ehr he couldnt come to the phone cuz he was in the shower.  It turned out to be true (though I didnt know it at the time.  I owuld have said the same thing even if he was standing right next to me!)

I pointed out that for TED to take her both ways would involve 6 hours (300 milies!) in the car, plus another round trip the next day.  I said it just was not fair (not to mention environmentally responsible!) for him to take her home, when other family members were going the same way.  She just went on and on, about how she wanted ALL of us (including my 10 year old son!) To driver her home, and then we could stop and do something FUN on the way.   What the hell would we do that would be "fun" at midnight on Chirstmas eve, especially wehn Santa still needs to go to our house?

Mom, I said, its not fair to Ted. 
He would do it if he loved her!

Mom, I said, it will ruin the entire next day for him.  He will be so tired!
It should be worth it for family!

Why isn't it good enough that you will be here and you will get home sefely? Why does it have to be US?
I thought we could so something fun on the way home.

Listen, noting is fun if you are tired.  Would you rather not come at all? 
Fine, I'll be ready...SLAM!




THe thing that struck me as so odd was that she was going to be at our house for the evening, as she said she wanted, but she was unhappy that someone else should drive her home

Ted's cpision took her.  As she was leaving, while cousin Cindy was in the bathroom, she says to me..."How well to you know this person?"  Well, actaully, she was begging for alms in hte street and we too her in---oh, please!   

Ther eis more to this but I have to go to work.  Stay tuned....

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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2011, 06:14:19 AM »
It never ceases to amaze me how N's invite themselves to invade others' boundaries with their attitudes of "!@#$ you, ME FIRST"!

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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2011, 10:52:04 AM »
How about that, Bones?! It seem slike no matter what I do for yer, it is never enough.  It occurred to me the other day that we should have re-named the old  "Never good enough" message board to just "Never enough" because that is how it is with her--I can  never do enough, never spend enough time with her, ..you know, just NEVER F'ING ENOUGH! ANd I dont have enough strength and energy to continue dealing with her.


SO anyway, CHristmas day arrives and everyone is over at my moms.  It seems strange because family members who were previously really nasty to me are suddenly rather nice.  Bro-whatever's MIL was, for a change, pleasant and actually took my dietary needs into account.  She even made me a home-made macaroni & cheese, --how nice! (Previous years' concessions to my vegetarian lifestyle included lean cuisine lasagna and frozen pizza!) Nobody treated me like a redheaded stepchild.  Hmmmm......

After all the eating and gift opening was done and it was time to go home, (About 7 pm) NM starts to cry.  I always know when she is faking it becasue she can't do real tears on demand.  Oh, boo-hoo!:cry:  Nobody loves her!  WHy do we all have to leave?!:cry:  Why are we being so mean and horrible to her?  Oh, boo-hoo!  :cry:

She even told my neice (13 years old!) that she was not going ot lock up her house (AKA FORT SARA) and maybe someone would come in and "get her" because nobody cares about her. 

(I call this the "I'll eaT some worms and then I'll die" manuever.  see here http://youtu.be/UNftMOuIkUg for explanation and comic relief!)

SIL managed to get me alone for a few minutes.  It turns out that NM has been calling ALL her friends (Like, all 3 of them) wanting more stuff, becoming more demanding, and making up more in number and more outrageous things that she wants, things that are medically wrong with her, things that are wrong with her house--and everybody is fed up with her!  Apparently she has also been telling people I won't answer my phone or talk to her or something, because SIL said to me, "I can see why you don't answer your phone half the time!"

So it seems that she has been telling everyone (for years) what a bad daughter I am, blah, blah, blah.  ANd all her friends have believed her, because she is so adept at making herself look like such a nice person.  My entire life I have been getting lectures from near-strangers about how I should be nicer to my mother, because she is so nice and good to me.  ANd those people, seeing me through her perception, have taken a dislike to me. No wonder, right? ANd now she is showing her true colors. 

I have always known her as a mean, petty, selfish, demanding bitch.  For years I have watched in amazement as people would eat out of her hand and come to her rescue while she did her "damsel in distress" routine. For years I have wondered why *I* was the only one who saw her for what she was, or if maybe I was somehow mistaken, because how could everybody else in the whole world be wrong about her?

Now I feel a little vindicated.  It feels good.  :D


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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2011, 11:57:19 AM »
AMEN!   :D
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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2011, 02:10:19 PM »
(((((((((((((((Heyya Redhead Erin, )))))))))))))))))

I enjoy it when you use the B word to describe your mother. Even though you don't enjoy her and the situation is sad as Nar-people relationships are....well I like your self-hood that comes through when you call her a B.

I call my mom a B also sometimes, so I'm right there with ya.
When I hear you as well expressing that sort of displeasure towards mom dearest well I get a naughty bratty kid smile on my face that I normally never feel.

Yay ! for disobedient daughters!!!!!!



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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2011, 02:14:19 PM »
One of my young, well-adjusted, friends recently reminded me, "Well-behaved women rarely make history!"

Hear, hear!

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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2011, 05:53:48 PM »
OY - Erin - some things are simply beyond the pale.

The fact that you got through this debacle without outraged meltdown = priceless. I doubt I could have... no matter how much I like to think I'm beyond the reach of my Nm. I know I'm not; not really. THAT'S why I need those damned boundaries... that I DON'T need with people who aren't like that.
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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #37 on: December 29, 2011, 10:37:39 PM »
((((((((Erin)))))))))

Your NM's Xmas-crashing exhausting.  I'm so sorry.  I honestly believes Ns up the N-sanity during this time of year.  They're real-life Grinches hell-bent on ruining holidays for everyone.

Hope you get some time for a little New Year rest and relaxation. 

And I think you're totally justified in feeling relieved by the fact that other people are beginning to see through your NM's angel-act.  It must be so difficult for them to maintain a false persona for so long without the cracks showing through.  But then, I suppose they think their survival depends on it...

Anyway, sending lots of love your way,
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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #38 on: March 21, 2012, 02:41:08 AM »
 I honestly believes Ns up the N-sanity during this time of year.

N-Sanity! :D  Ain't that the truth!

Well, things have been quiet for a while.....except she didn't leave town on my birthday this year and took me out for fondue instead, then bitched teh whole time and tried really hard to spoil the evening for me.  

But she didn't.  The food was just too delicious.  


I've seen her maybe 4 or 5 times since Christmas.  She has informed me that she has a girl who comes in once or twice a week to help her with things and do the dreaded grocery shopping.  Wow!  That's a relief. I think SIL set it up for her.  When I tried to arrange similar, I was accused of not wanting her, trying to pawn her off on strangers, blah, blah, blah. Well, whatever.  She has reliable help and and I have peace of mind.  Who cares how it was done?

Oh, and the horrible crippling mortgage?  Almost gone!  We got the HAMP adjustment in March.  Our trial period ends in May.  Hallelujah!  :D So now I still need money, but more in a "catching up and keeping things even" way, not in a desperate "IF I don't make $300 by the end of this week we will miss a house payment" kind of way.

I haven't heard form Mom much lately, and she has not been terribly demanding, and life has been good.


Up til this weekend.

Hubs and kiddo and I had plans to go see the horse races at a nearby track Saturday night, for St. Patrick's day.   Hubs had to work both Saturday and Sunday. Saturday afternoon she called up and started whining about wanting to see me.  Since I had been working at the computer and the phone in here does not have Caller ID, I picked it up, hoping it would be Hubs.  If I had known it would be her, I would not have answered it.

She wants to see us. I told her we had plans.  She whined and I gave in and the long and short of it is, she got hubs to drive all the way to her house to pick her up to go to the race track where I spent the first 7 races running around and getting things for her.  This is a harness racing track, and the races go from 7 pm to after 11 at night, so by the time I got to sit down at the start of the 8th race, I was exhausted. Then it took me 2 or 3 races to figure out what I was looking at, and I didn't get to see the warm-ups of any horse that ran before the 10th or 11th race (there were 13 all together. Which is to say, by the time I got settled in, it was almost over. )

So Ted took her home and just planned to sleep there and then go to work (rather than coming past the race track to come home from her house, then driving right back past that same track a few hours later. There is a complicated issue with a broken alarm clock and he winds up getting almost no sleep on Saturday night.

At this point I should mention that Hubs has to be at work at 4:45 each morning.  If you are late, you get suspended.  This company does not play.

Ted worked All day Sunday and then finally we got to spend some time (like 5 hours) together as a family. We went fo ra bike ride, ate dinner, and he went to bed. He got to sleep about 4 or 5 hours (He is one of those guys who can sleep like Rip Van Winkel.  Four hours does not cut it for him.) GOt up Monday and went to work tired.

Monday night, she calls Ted with some story about how her furnace is blowing cold air and she is going to freeze to death in her house. IT was like 65 degrees that night.   :roll:  The winning line this time is "I'll pay you!"  Broke as we are, of course Ted a a sucker for a bribe...and she usually tosses money around like water.

So poor Ted, unable to reach me (I blew off paying my cell phone bill because I took my Kid to  the the Museum of Science and Industry Thursday) gets sucked into going over to her house for pretty much nothing.  He spends the evening an half the night driving to see her, messing around with her furnace, and (as always) going out to dinner (He didn't have time to eat at home and she ALWAYS wants to go out to eat, lazy bitch won't cook for herself) and driving home. What does he get for his trouble? TWENTY FLIPPING DOLLARS! That's not even enough to fill his tank.  It costs almost that much to drive all the way over there and back! Oh, and not to mention that he got home an got in bed about an hour before he was supposed to leave for work again!

OMG was I pissed!  I got home just after he did at 1:30 in the morning and found out about it.  I called and screamed at her answering machine. I begged Ted to call in and not go to work because I had a horrible premonition that he would fall asleep driving and get killed (he already had one accident that way).

This morning I called the local HVAC company in her town and found out how much they charge for an emergency call.  Then I figured out how much Ted lost by not going to work today.  Then I called her and told her that I was damn near never talking to her again and she had better make with all the money she owed my husband.  My God, was I mad! No tact, no holding back, I just let fly with all the anger and frustration I had. I mean, really? Twenty bucks for his time?  If I had a customer who monopolized my time all evening an then tossed me $20, I would have slapped him! I told her that.  I told he it was rude and insulting for her to expect Ted to drag a kid all the way up there and then toss him almost nothing! I told her a lot more than that, about how I am sick of the way she manipulates me and Ted, how she is always waving money around and expecting us to jump at her back and call, and how it WILL NOT BE HAPPENING ANY MORE.

She go tin a snit and said to have Ted come and pick up the money that "HE THINKS I OWE HIM."

Then we hung up on each other.

She called me back in the afternoon (again, I picked up the phone without a Caller ID, but this time I was reasonably sure it was her.  I can just tell!) and tried ALL  her best tricks on me.  

First, she asked if I was "feeling calmer" now.  As if I had had a bout of ingestion or something.  I said, "Hell no, I'm still mad at you!"

She Pretended ignorance. "I didn't know Ted had to work" Bullshit!  He mentioned it to her several items. Besides, she certainly did know he would have a 10 year old kid with him!

She reframed the situation in her favor : Well, I DID pay him!/ I took him out for dinner/

More pretended ignorence/ false innocence: What did I do wrong?  I dont understand why you are so angry at me? And, What do you mean I've done this before?  When have I done it before? (OOOOHHHH, don't get me started on the number of fake emergencies I've been dragged into!) What do you mean I don't respect you? What do you mean, I have no regard for your time?

She blamed the victim (Ted) by saiyng he should have said NO if he did nt want to come. (Sure. It is near impossible to say no to that woman!)

She tried several varieties of guilt and hyperbole (All I've done for you/ I just want to be a family /  don't you want your poor old mother in your life/ I thought I was doing the right thing/ well fine I won't call you for help any more....)

More bait-and-switch tactics: Well, Just have Ted come and pick up the money he thinks I owe him...

ANd her signature move---using my kid as a pawn: I want to buy Kiddo a birthday present/help with is party/ take him on vacation....


It's a good thing I was so and...and I'm sooooo done. Lucky for her, my son still wants her in his life.  Because if he hadn't asked me to figure out a way he could see her, while still keeping my distance, I would have told her never to call me again.

As it is, she started asking me what she could do to get back in my good graces (what she would have said if she was talking about how to manipulate someone else). SO I told her.

First, she can make with a check.  ANd no I am not going to drive out there and pick it up.  I don't have time.  She can put it in the mail.  If she cannot remember to put the check in the mail box, I can have a courrier go to her house and get it.

THEN we can talk about my son and his birthday.  I really do not need her money to throw him a decent party this year.

Furthermore, there will be NO MORE weeknight visits.  Emergencies will be handled by the appropriate professionals. There will be no more changing of plans or last minute calls.  All answers to any such requests will be NO.

Of course I had my list of rules before, but it is hard for me to stick to them sometimes.  It felt good to get it all out there and now I know I HAVE to stick by them, because I have SAID them.  Having drawn my line in the sand, I cannot back down.  IF I do it once, I will be doomed to do it again and again.

When I hung up the phone, I wept.  I was drained and shaking.  I lost myself in a hot bath and a book and "forgot" to go to work.
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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #39 on: March 21, 2012, 09:01:32 AM »
You did good, Erin!! Hope you enjoyed your bath.

I understand about the backlash of emotion after "finally" being able to vent long-stuffed anger. For me, that boils down to a guilt/despair cocktail that I shouldn't "have to go there" - but that despite previous attempts to be heard - I had to yell, throw a fit, be outrageous and get their attention. I even have to take hubby's admonitions to "tone it down" because my anger can be sooooooo white-hot. I haven't had one of those nuclear melt-downs in a while now (fingers crossed; knock on wood). And I'm finally learning the different ways to prevent letting that emotion build up to that level. Now I wish I just wouldn't see Nism as an overlay to institutions, politics, life... but I'm working on that, too.

You didn't go over the top. You were righteously angry... stayed on topic about it... reset your boundaries again (sigh - yes, it's not a one-time thing with Ns - because they're "special", rules don't apply to them... I prefer to think it's that they're stupid and you can't fix stupid). I'm sure you'll have to do it again.

I was wondering how you were! Glad to see your post. Sounds like you've got a lot of good things going on now. That makes me smile!  :D
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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #40 on: March 21, 2012, 09:50:04 AM »
Hey Phoenix!

Did I tell you I always loved that name?

I am going to have to call her this morning and tell her that a courier will be coming to pick up the check.  I found a company in her town that charges only $20 a trip.  All I need is for somebody to get the check and mail it.  Otherwise she will repeatedly "forget". She did that with my son's college fund, to the point that we came within a day of getting the whole thing cancelled. and getting kicked out of the program.

I am SO not looking forward to this. 

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« Reply #41 on: March 21, 2012, 10:32:47 AM »
Well, I don't know why I dreaded that.  I called and told her how much she owed us and that she a courier would come for the check.

NM:  "Oh, I don;t know about that.  My friend is taking me out to lunch!"

Me: "OK< then while you are out, put the check in the mail box."

NM: "Ummm...."

Me: "I will call you tonight and make sure you did it.  If you do not mail the check TODAY, the courier will be there tomorrow to pick it up.  DO you understand?"

SO she made a big point of writing down the Exact amount I told her and then asking how to spell our last name! Wow... I've only been married to this guy for 9 years...Was that supposed to be some sort of barb about how little I mean to her, or how little she thinks of my marriage? Or did she wat to shoe me just how forgetful and pathetic an old woman she is?  Or is she really JUST THAT STUPID?  :shock:

She always gets very docile when she knows she is beaten. I have no doubt she'll try something else again n the near future, as soon as she thinks up another tactic. I don't care. She has to die sometime and meanwhile,  I'm getting better and better at this game.
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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #42 on: March 22, 2012, 07:57:45 AM »
Erin - my mom still can't remember my hubby's name (12 years this year)... and I showed up unexpectedly a couple years back to visit her... and she didn't even recognize me. It just goes with the territory - as much as it irritates us - we just simply don't exist until they think up a reason to "need" us... more for the N-supply than any real relationship.

Either way: we're always cheated out of the "normal" share of what happens when two people relate, when one of them is that N.
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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #43 on: April 01, 2012, 12:12:31 AM »
Well, so much for her "helping" with kiddo's birthday.  He wanted a train set that cost $150.  He (my son) went to my mom and told her he wanted her to help him buy it, that he had $70 saved up and would she pay the other half.  She agreed to this.

GC Bro-whatever and his family are in town this week, and Kiddo's other cousin, a nice girl who is becoming a pawn in her parents' divorce, was in her mother's custody this weekend, and so  if we wanted to have a party with most of his cousins there, this would be the day to do it. Kiddo wanted horseback riding and pizza for his special day.  Expensive, but doable.   My dumb lazy SIL didn't even want to bring her kids out to the stable (too far) until I twisted her arm about it, but that is another story.

Well, my hubs wound up having to work all weekend.  We asked Bro-Whatever to take my mom to the model train store and pick up the train set, which was being held at the counter for us.  Because Bro, NM, and the train store are all in the same town, 90 minutes' drive from us.

So here is where it gets weird.  Bro gets my husband in a 3-way call with the guy at the train store.  It becomes apparent he is trying to take charge or in some way exert control over the situation. Whatever, they do get the train and get it wrapped (by the girl who does my  mothers errands.  This was told to us as if it was significant; I have no idea why). NM rides down to the party with Bro and his family.  She does not speak the entire time, except when Kiddo goes up to her at the end of the party to thank her, she reminds HIM that she is only paying for half of the train.  Except for hello and goodbye, I believe that was the only thing she said to any of us.

Bro also reminded us about it, at least twice.

Remember earlier when she said she wanted to help with the party, buy kiddo a gift, etc?  Nope!   Just one more thing she conveniently "offered" then forgot about.  She did not, however, forget that an 11 year old kid owed her $80! (Hubs and I paid it, of course.  I could not let my kid spend his aluminum can money on his own birthday present!)

I just cannot get over the pettiness and selfishness of this.  My mother pisses away money like its water.  She spends lavishly on whatever she feel like, usually restaurant meals that she wants, then considers we should all be grateful to her.  She will spend hundreds of dolllars on stuff for which she has no real need, but will begrudge a kid $80.

I am about done with this.  I could still use my monthly allowance, but I no longer need it to live. Therefore, I think I would rather work a few extra shifts than have to deal with her any more. I can send a courier once a month to pick up my son's college fund check, for the same as it would cost me to drive up there. She has never kept a promise in all her life, but I intend to "help" her keep the promise she made to my son, that he would have his college fund paid for. Otherwise, I don't think I will see her for a while.  I am even considering letting my son go on vacation this summer, but staying back myself.

Regardless, I know damn well that as soon as GC bro-whatever is out of town, she will be on the phone crying and begging me to come over.  But you know what?  I will not be able to go because I will have to work. Even if I don't.  NC is coming.  It has been coming for a long time.  I don't care.



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Re: Setting boundaries
« Reply #44 on: April 01, 2012, 06:18:52 AM »
Well, so much for her "helping" with kiddo's birthday.  He wanted a train set that cost $150.  He (my son) went to my mom and told her he wanted her to help him buy it, that he had $70 saved up and would she pay the other half.  She agreed to this.

GC Bro-whatever and his family are in town this week, and Kiddo's other cousin, a nice girl who is becoming a pawn in her parents' divorce, was in her mother's custody this weekend, and so  if we wanted to have a party with most of his cousins there, this would be the day to do it. Kiddo wanted horseback riding and pizza for his special day.  Expensive, but doable.   My dumb lazy SIL didn't even want to bring her kids out to the stable (too far) until I twisted her arm about it, but that is another story.

Well, my hubs wound up having to work all weekend.  We asked Bro-Whatever to take my mom to the model train store and pick up the train set, which was being held at the counter for us.  Because Bro, NM, and the train store are all in the same town, 90 minutes' drive from us.

So here is where it gets weird.  Bro gets my husband in a 3-way call with the guy at the train store.  It becomes apparent he is trying to take charge or in some way exert control over the situation. Whatever, they do get the train and get it wrapped (by the girl who does my  mothers errands.  This was told to us as if it was significant; I have no idea why). NM rides down to the party with Bro and his family.  She does not speak the entire time, except when Kiddo goes up to her at the end of the party to thank her, she reminds HIM that she is only paying for half of the train.  Except for hello and goodbye, I believe that was the only thing she said to any of us.

Bro also reminded us about it, at least twice.

Remember earlier when she said she wanted to help with the party, buy kiddo a gift, etc?  Nope!   Just one more thing she conveniently "offered" then forgot about.  She did not, however, forget that an 11 year old kid owed her $80! (Hubs and I paid it, of course.  I could not let my kid spend his aluminum can money on his own birthday present!)

I just cannot get over the pettiness and selfishness of this.  My mother pisses away money like its water.  She spends lavishly on whatever she feel like, usually restaurant meals that she wants, then considers we should all be grateful to her.  She will spend hundreds of dolllars on stuff for which she has no real need, but will begrudge a kid $80.

I am about done with this.  I could still use my monthly allowance, but I no longer need it to live. Therefore, I think I would rather work a few extra shifts than have to deal with her any more. I can send a courier once a month to pick up my son's college fund check, for the same as it would cost me to drive up there. She has never kept a promise in all her life, but I intend to "help" her keep the promise she made to my son, that he would have his college fund paid for. Otherwise, I don't think I will see her for a while.  I am even considering letting my son go on vacation this summer, but staying back myself.

Regardless, I know damn well that as soon as GC bro-whatever is out of town, she will be on the phone crying and begging me to come over.  But you know what?  I will not be able to go because I will have to work. Even if I don't.  NC is coming.  It has been coming for a long time.  I don't care.




That REALLY sucks when the N%$#@ attempts to screw over an 11-year-old grandkid without any remorse! 

Bones
Back Off Bug-A-Loo!