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« on: November 17, 2004, 10:06:39 AM »
Hello to everyone.  I just found this message board, and I feel like I've come home.  Your stories are my stories.  Where do I begin?

Like some of you, I'm an only child.  For most of my life, I thought I had a pretty good relationship with my parents, except for the fact that they weren't crazy about my husband.  We lived in the same town, and my three children grew up with my parents spending every holiday and birthday and many other events among our family.

I'll jump way ahead and tell you I've been in therapy for 3 years.  I got to the point where the pain I carried around inside just about overwhelmed me.  But I didn't understand what was going on.  It was in therapy that I discovered my mohter is an N. The therapist says my husband is the most kind, caring man she's ever met aside from her own husband.  My friends adore my husband.  He's wonderful to me and  our children, who love him dearly.  But under all her pretense, my mother has always hated him.  I can see that now.  I can also she how she insidiously wormed her way into our marriage, subtly undermining it every chance she got, in every way she could.

My parents weer recently in a car accident, and never was my mother's N nature more apparent.  By then I knew what was going on.  Although she hadn't eaten, literally, in two weeks, and was too weak to stand, she insisted on coming home against doctor's orders, to be cared for by my father, who had numerous major injuriesof his own. My husband and I sided with the doctor who said mom should go to a rehab.  Well, that blew the lid off everything.  The jig was up and my mother used that as an excuse  to unleash allthe hatred she'd held in check for 30 years.

My mother has been so very rude to my husband, I can't begin to tell you all the ways she's tried to say and do hurtful lthings.  Telling me my husband  he was upset she didn't die, and that he turned me against them, and that I have no mind of my own, that he has no frineds, that she trusts me but not him.  That's just the tip of the iceberg of what's been 2 years of searing pain.  Ignoring him in public, ignoring the death of his father, his aunt.  Ignoring his birthdays. He's dead to her.  She has nothing but the most intense hatred I've ever seen.  Narcissistic rage.

I should tell you my husband is well thought of not only in our family, but in our community and in his workplace.  He's a bright, successful man who's everyting she ever told me she wanted for me.  In fact, therein lies the problem.  We have a wonderful marriage, despite her, which we've worked hard to maintain.  I have three great kids. We have a beautiful home, and I dont have to work if I don't want to.  In other words, I have the life she  always wanted herself, and programmed me to attain, and when I did she got jealous.  And we all know Envy is not something an N can entertain, so they turn it into hatred.  (anybody read Why Is It Always ABout You?)?

My father was raised by a N himself, so he's been well trained.  He can't remember his last original thought.  So he has gone right along with my mother.  Despite my numerous attempts at honesty with him , he is not willing to rock the boat.  So he. too, has turned away, even from my kids, his grandchildren!  These are two people who told me I was their world, and they'd never NOT be there for me, and that we were a team.  (yes, I know that "club" budsinessis dysfunctional, bu tneverthelss I beleived waht they said, that they were a constant in my life no matter what).   But I've learned that people who truly love you love you "no" as well as your "yes".  They love you when you act in acordance with their expectations, but they also love you when you don't.

I should tell you that before the accident that brought about this rift, I had two occasions when I emotionally bled in front of my parents, telling them that their relationship with my husband was breaking my heart.   I stood my ground, knees shakng, but I stood! My mother was completley unmoved, and blamed everything on "him".  But at least I know I gave confrontation two tries with the two of them, and at least 4 with my father alone.  BTW, that "awful" husband of mine paid for part of their mortgage every month until this rift, so they could have a townhouse with a master suite on the first floor for my mother.

ALthough my marriage is in a stronger, better place, my parents have put me in a place where I've had to choose, them or my husband.  My therapist says, stay in touch so that when they die you can say you've done all you could.  They make absolutely no attempt to contact any of us, so the burden of the work is all on me.  Despite their antics, my husand is willing to do whatever I need to do, and he's always gracious to them.

 I have left so much of this story out.  I hope the crux of it is clear.  Has anyone had an N parent try to break up their marriage?  Does anybody still feel like it's their fault, even when they do all they can do and get slapped in the face?  ON a good day I can say they've made their bed and they can lie in it.  On a bad day, they're still my elderly, physically ill parents (wasting away and ignored, mom says), and I care about them.  That's the whole issue.   They have no one else. As my parents, after all, I love them still, but when I get close, they slap me EVERY time.

Thanks so much for listening.    I'm sorry I ranted on and on.  It feels so good! I look forward to hearing what you all have to say.

Stillstanding

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2004, 11:25:06 AM »
Hello Stillstanding,

Welcome to the board.  Your message comes through loud and clear.  Obviously, you have done a lot of the hard work of figuring out the enigma of N parents.  I think the hardest part is accepting that they don't change into the parents they say they are, that we want them to be.

Mine don't try to get in the middle of my marriage.  But Ndad did try to discourage me from getting married to H.  I don't think it was that H was who he was.  It was simply the fact that my parents had to realize a) I was an adult, b) another person not of their choosing was entering the family, c) I was going to be starting my own family unit and therefore
s-e-p-a-r-a-t-i-n-g from them.  They were losing an "investment".  D) I think there was major discomfort in allowing me to make a decision on my own and they were wondering how this was going to reflect on them.  Ndad couldn't relax until he had "passed" Father of the Bride 101 and received good reviews from his friends.  I mean, after all, he wasn't exactly comfortable with the role of Father of a Girl...and he is heavily competitive with men.  I had married a new competitor.  We were heavily scrutinized but not monitored per se.  They didn't hate H, just the fact that I was married.  They've mellowed considerably on that score.

Your H sounds like a gem.  Of course it's jealousy.  Both my parents displayed jealousy at various points along the way.  My Ndad couldn't stand the fact that we were buying a house at a younger age than he did, despite the fact that we were way behind our friends schedule-wise.  And we weren't exceeding our lifestyle or theirs by a long shot.  It was just that we met the milestone before he did.  

I recently read that children of abusive parents tend to be even more invested in their attachment to their parents (not necessarily securely, but fiercely) because of the ambivalence.  It's our way of convincing ourselves that we were indeed loved and clearing up confusion.  A certain part of the brain can't rest until questions are resolved.  This may be what you are experiencing (just a guess, not a diagnosis).

Also need to share with you that when I typed in the board address this morning I had Elton John's "I'm Still Standing" song in my head!  And there you were!  So welcome again and thanks for sharing your story here.  

Peace, Seeker

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2004, 12:11:46 PM »
Seeker, thank you so much for hearing me lound and clear.  AFter so many years of wondering what was wrong or lacking in me, and so many people telling me how great my parents are (dog and pony show in public), it's so wonderful to be heard and understood.  

Thanks for sharing about the ELton John song , too.  That's what I was humming when I picked my username.  It should be our theme song,huh?

Your post brought a smile to my heart and tears to my eyes.  thanks again, kindred spirit.

Stillstanding

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2004, 02:06:43 PM »
Welcome Stillstanding,

My (deceased) N-MIL interfered in our marriage by treating her son as though he was her husband and I was the "other woman." We were in couples therapy dealing with this problem until she died. After her demise things got better very quickly. There were also problems with my own enmeshment with my mother. But his mother was really bad.

Here is my feedback based on my experience:

-Your marriage comes first, ahead of your mother. If she tries to come between you and your husband, she must be stopped. Not asked, not requested, not begged. But blocked at each attempt. There are various ways to block her, some of them probably pretty easy.

- Your mother has some severe emotional problems and possibly mental problems (dementia?). All one can do is withstand her ugliness, treat  her with some civility due to her rank as your mother, and be very firm with her.

- Sometimes our parents are extraordinarily limited and it's unfair. It's like we were given toddlers as parents instead of real parents. Unfortunately those are the cards we were dealt. Luckily you have a wonderful husband.

bunny

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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2004, 02:28:25 PM »
Welcome to the group, from another Only Child.  I have been here for a few months and have learned so much from the experiences of others.  I think the most wonderfully healing thing for me is to learn that I am not alone! and let me rephrase that sentence :  stillstanding, you are not alone, anymore, either!
There is a strength that comes from knowing that others are validating our feelings and our experiences.   So many times in the past, when I attempted to tell the truth about my NParents, the pat response was always something like : there, there, we all have issues with our parents, get over it!   :roll:
This Board is just the opposite, thankfully.  Here we are believed and can grow and heal, whew.  Just this weekend, when I was visiting my old NMom, she said to me as I was leaving : "Now, make sure that you NEVER discuss ANYTHING that went on in this house, not anything that was discussed here, for it is all very private and personal."  I got goosebumps, because that was the Mantra of the home my entire life - keep everything a secret.  Well, here I can tell the truth, and that is sooooo liberating.  Here, you can tell the truth and be believed, and if your home was anything like mine, being able to talk about things is awesome.  Once I start, I almost don't know when to stop, as you can tell! :oops:
Welcome!
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2004, 04:28:27 PM »
I am so heartened by your responses and the insights you shared.   I read some earlier posts before i joined, and many of you talked about "taking the board with you" when you visited your N.  Well, I just vivisted my N, and had just read your responses right before.  It really helped!

In my first post, I didn't want to go on and on any more than I already had.  But I do want to share a dream  (nightmare) I had when I was not more than six.

I was swimming out in the dark sea late at night and being chased by something frightful.  I was swimming as fast as I could, trying to escape whatever it was that was in pursuit of me.  Suddenly I saw a raft with a figure on it, wearing a long cape with a hood.   Somehow I knew it was my  mother, seen only from the back .  At last, saftey!  I swam as hard as I could and flung myself on the raft, heaving a sight of relief that I'd found safe refuge.  That's when the figure (my mother) turned around, and inside the hood was the face of whatever was chasing me.    Translation: even at a very early age, I sensed my primary caretaker represented danger as well as saftey.

Again, thank you for all of your input and the comfort of being heard and understood.  I feel blessed to have found this site.  Stillstanding  :lol:

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« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2004, 04:39:58 PM »
Welcome Stillstanding! What a great name! As I read your post I was silently nodding and saying, yes, yes, yes oh Only Me you've got to read this!

This board has heard my muddy, befuddled, weary thoughts and helped me see and think clearly.  You mentioned ENVY.  My mother handled the envy she felt in a very different way than your NM. She has always been very envious, competitive and jealous. She rejected my sister's husband completely in a manner that seems similar to your situation but "went after" my husband, perhaps feeling that if her little nobody daughter could have him, well certainly she could too. A few years ago she tried (unsuccessfully) to take it beyond outrageous flirting. (she was 87 at the time) He's still recovering!

My sister said to me -"It's your turn. She has had her life. You have to choose - her or you." It seems harsh, Stillstanding, but it does come down to a choice I think. Some people here make the choice by severing  relationships, others by "detaching" and carrying on.  I'm working on detachment.  A loud Yes to your question about feeling like it's our fault but the feeling is diminishing. It is really possible to make signifigant changes in how you handle this pressure.

I hope you will draw much strength from this board Stillstanding.  I still get blown down but it takes a lot more than a light breeze now!

Les

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« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2004, 05:27:20 PM »
To Les, bunny, onlyme and seeker, thank you, thank you, thank you. I have this feeling like all my life I've been walking into rooms full of strangers and finally I walked into the room where everybody knows my name.  I hope I don't sound too gushy, but it's soooo good to be among friends.  I have read and reread your responses about 5 times.  NObody understands, even my therapist, like somebody who's lived this.  ANd yes, Les, I'm working on detaching too.  I'm so much better than I used to be.  I've gone from never sharing my feelings to telling them outright how I feel.  The last time I did that, my son, who is 17, wa in the room.  My mother lit into me like Linda Blair in the Exorcist.  I epected her head to turn.  It was so vicious, i asked my son if he wanted to leave, and he refused to let me ther alone .  But I stood my ground.  I could never have imagined that 3 years ago.  Thanks one and all.  Stillstanding