Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board
Voicelessness and Emotional Survival => Voicelessness and Emotional Survival Message Board => Topic started by: gnostic on August 15, 2005, 03:40:29 PM
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well perhaps focusing more here on semantic aspects
or conceptual than in forum topic ...Narcissism and Shame-Dumping
in hopes of cracking open cosmic consciousness
on such matters :)
conceptually i am thinking of as a starting point
the concept that all fall short
as it relates to the human realm but
that all may be perfected and be one with the creator...
at some probable future point
considering the dynamic of how so all fall short
in terms of romans...
well maybe here after all
that when death passed to all because all have sinned..
that the greek word hamartano
tense of second aorist and active voice and indicative mood :)
i suspect might mean that the way death passed to all
thru adam's sin is that all had in an earlier existence already sinned...
which i know is not the traditional orthodox interpretation :)
now in regards to a merriam webster dictionary definitions of shame
1 : the fact of having committed a breach of conduct especially violating law and involving a penalty; broadly : guilty conduct
2 a : the state of one who has committed an offense especially consciously b : feelings of culpability
AND IN MY FIRST POST HERE I HAD SAID....
"HMMMM ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS FOR GUILT IN DEFINITION 1 that it minimally is a breach of conduct IT DOESNT SAY IF IT IS OTHERS CODE OF CONDUCT OR ONE'S OWN AND IT COULD WELL BE FOLLOWING OTHERS CODES OF CONDUCT COULD MAKE ONE GUILTY IN TERMS OF ONE'S OWN CODE OF CONDUCT AND THUS NOT FEEL ASHAMED FOR BREACHING SUCH A CODE OF CONDUCT....
...SO HAVING LAID A WONDERFUL BASIS FOR BETTER CLARIFICATION OF ISSUES...
I SHALL RETIRE TO MY GNOSTIC IVORY TOWER FOR THE MOMENT "
WELL NOW JUST MAYBE PEEPING OUT FOR NOW ...
DEPENDING ON HOW THE FLOW GOES...
SINCE I AM PUT IN MIND OF WHEN JESUS COMMENTED THIS PASSAGE IN ISAIAH
The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
... LATER TO HIS RESPONSE OF
Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
AND IN THEIR DISSATISFACTION
ACTUALLY WRATH...
they...rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
so to speak of codes of conduct and guilt
and that we all fall short and why ....
but leaving that behind for not :O)
and more on the narcissist issues with guilt and shame
and how they treat others...
BUT OH MY MY MIND IS ALL ATREMBLE WITH EXERTION NOW
AND AM NOT READY FOR THE BROW OF A HILL...
SO ENUF FOR NOW :)
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I'm sorry, I couldn't follow your writing.
Sorry you're having a bad time.
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Gnostic, can you tell us more specifically about you and what you are feeling/worrying about? I am with write-- maybe it's the late hour, but I think that your writing is one step too abstract for me. Maybe just be a little more personal and let us know what's on your mind?
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I agree, can you speak more specifically about yourself? To take everything to the abstract and or cosmic level may be a shield to protect yourself from digging deep within and sharing. Just a thought.
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I agree, can you speak more specifically about yourself? To take everything to the abstract and or cosmic level may be a shield to protect yourself from digging deep within and sharing. Just a thought.
well now there would be maybe a bit more specifics
at a topic i started ..here be the first post of mine there...
ONE STORY...VARIATIONS ON THE THEME
« on: August 05, 2005, 03:06:34 PM »
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mama
from what i been readin bout narcissism
i got it even more nailed down
how it could have been u
who let the vampire spirits in the door
and from what i been readin
bout enneagram 3 and narcissism
how they well they ignore
what could free them from their grandiose self delusion
and turn it around to manipulate others
there be more info
but is it enuf in your case
to save others who still buy into u bein the noble one
as your form of narcissism methinks
were one of the forms that could pull that off better
papa
so her siren song pulled u in at first
and then you began to see her odd ways
and tried to help her
but felt overpowered
and tried to save the children...
but then you went over to the dark side
of the narcissist's enabler...
tho she still made you to be at fault..
you allowed that in the end
and left the rest to twist in the wind...
with you
mefears it has passed further down the line now
not that there is no hope...
sheeesh i dont mean that at all
OH AND BONUS POINTS FOR THOSE WHO
FIND TYPOS AND SUCH
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Y'know what, darlin'? I have a phd and I don't get it.
Break it down a bit, please? Who are you? What are you worried about? Are you feeling negatively toward this board and the use of the word "narcissism"? You seem to post a fair amount of negative stuff about "jargon." Are you wanting to enlighten us or are you joining us or are you just figuring things out? Do you object to labelling of people? Or do you like it?
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Okay I get it.. You had a narcisstic mother. Dad tried to save the kids, but ended up enabling her.
What is your fear that it is passed further down the line? Is it you or someone else?
Your chosen form of expression is of interest. Any particular reason you do not want to speak in typical sentences? Too mundane?
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Y'know what, darlin'? I have a phd and I don't get it.
Break it down a bit, please? Who are you? What are you worried about? Are you feeling negatively toward this board and the use of the word "narcissism"? You seem to post a fair amount of negative stuff about "jargon." Are you wanting to enlighten us or are you joining us or are you just figuring things out? Do you object to labelling of people? Or do you like it?
to phd :shock: :) vunil from gnostic here//
about how maybe ifn what i say were a broken down a bit more
it would be easier to get....
well now then what in the post after yours.. namely blitzes
bout why i dont speak in typical sentences...
well people dont speak in typical sentences often
when they speak and thus
to better get the flavor how things are spoken...
i question speaking in "typical sentences"
plus other factors for my style and what i am a sayin that
might be discernible for phds..
ah an aside a bit more of uh my story
..i has an assistantship for a phd at rice and barley :)
where is that tongue in cheek emoticon ..sigh..
but second year of grad school they stopped draft deferment
in terms of being available for all in grad schools...
thank god the panties worked :)_
was a sweatin it there i tell you ..said in the style of a particular
comedian i have in mind...
now back to this and that...
i suppose a lot of my variations and whimsy
is that i be a bit leary of others thinking they really want to know as they think they do
or another factor enters in
to get into a point into the mind of others most effectively
one best can do this at times under their radar..
thus one is safe :)
and can get a read on dem without dem necessarily knowin
what one got a read on bout somethin bout dem
that they dont even suspect is true of demselves...
..
well enuf for now
as other things call...
like a poetry slam i b agoin to
to slam the nature of most poetry slams :)
WHOOPIE
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yep i be gnostic
and quick like one more thing to the previous post of mine..
another factor of my style at times
be that
i suspect can be at times
when some thing they have some point of understanding
it can actually server to block
what the real understanding that was a developin
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Is your goal to heal?
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what the real understanding that was a developin
Actually, this crowd is the best crowd I have ever seen at really genuinely trying to understand and help. If that's something you want, these are the people to do it. If you want real understanding, it can happen here. Sometimes maybe that is scary? If that's what's going on, you can feel free to say it. It's not as if the rest of us don't feel that, too.
I wasn't being superiour with you by saying I have a PhD-- I am very aware how little superiority that degree affords :) I was just letting you know that the folks here (ALL of them) are perceptive and smart and good at reading between the lines. If we aren't "getting it" then it may not be our fault.
(sorry, I'm a little blunt. I think it's a balance thing-- as one person gets vaguer the other one gets more blunt. I would be happy to meet in the middle!).
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what the real understanding that was a developin
Actually, this crowd is the best crowd I have ever seen at really genuinely trying to understand and help. If that's something you want, these are the people to do it. If you want real understanding, it can happen here. Sometimes maybe that is scary? If that's what's going on, you can feel free to say it. It's not as if the rest of us don't feel that, too.
I wasn't being superiour with you by saying I have a PhD-- I am very aware how little superiority that degree affords :) I was just letting you know that the folks here (ALL of them) are perceptive and smart and good at reading between the lines. If we aren't "getting it" then it may not be our fault.
well now vunil...it is not necessarily that there isnt a lot of understanding and helpfulness...
but at times more that i often attempt a layer to 2 deeper perhaps on some matters
and hmmm wait i got it.. e-mc squared... :)
which tends to engage the mind in a different fashion
which i dont see necessarily as that hard to get
it is more maybe that i am a bit nonlinear in the sense
of hopefully some of the positive aspects of idiosyncratic..
ah dont forget that m-w.com ..merriam webster online
and hopefully the puter accessing is fast....
actually i dont know how slow m-w works on a slow computer..
just guessing it might be slow...
oh ifn there were a better way maybe to track
various comments on various topics...
.. some might note that often my concepts
are rather simple at some points
and perhaps when others havent picked up on such...
and even got it twisted..
then to continue or to develop
or to just get it flowin
i might use some variations of style
..sometimes that a bit an added dose of tongue in cheek:)
after awhile sometimes it seems to be that
often from a subconscious level
things that people are not used to
that they see as effective devices of communication
but has aspects of social assumptions
where actually there are aspects
that block out not seeing that their assumed
devices in part serve as a blocking and clocking device...
whether i mesmerize or trick or actually truly impress...
for some ..what seemed like a foolishness
and overdoneness or whatever...
they go WOW ... NOW I GET SOMETHING I NEVER DID BEFORE :)
SHUCKS ....
and what do i attribute such a bent of mind of mine to....
later maybe
but i probably essentially have given some essentials aspects of such
in various forms already :)
(sorry, I'm a little blunt. I think it's a balance thing-- as one person gets vaguer the other one gets more blunt. I would be happy to meet in the middle!).
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what the real understanding that was a developin
Actually, this crowd is the best crowd I have ever seen at really genuinely trying to understand and help. If that's something you want, these are the people to do it. If you want real understanding, it can happen here. Sometimes maybe that is scary? If that's what's going on, you can feel free to say it. It's not as if the rest of us don't feel that, too.
I wasn't being superiour with you by saying I have a PhD-- I am very aware how little superiority that degree affords :) I was just letting you know that the folks here (ALL of them) are perceptive and smart and good at reading between the lines. If we aren't "getting it" then it may not be our fault.
(sorry, I'm a little blunt. I think it's a balance thing-- as one person gets vaguer the other one gets more blunt. I would be happy to meet in the middle!).
the oops namely that when i clicked your post to quote in a response for me to post
i didnt scroll down to avoid gettin what i said in what i was quotin from your
post.... thus
attempt to correct with this un oopsing
and pasting what i had said in the former post of mine
so what is said wont appear as a quote in your response...
well now vunil...it is not necessarily that there isnt a lot of understanding and helpfulness...
but at times more that i often attempt a layer to 2 deeper perhaps on some matters
and hmmm wait i got it.. e-mc squared... :)
which tends to engage the mind in a different fashion
which i dont see necessarily as that hard to get
it is more maybe that i am a bit nonlinear in the sense
of hopefully some of the positive aspects of idiosyncratic..
ah dont forget that m-w.com ..merriam webster online
and hopefully the puter accessing is fast....
actually i dont know how slow m-w works on a slow computer..
just guessing it might be slow...
oh ifn there were a better way maybe to track
various comments on various topics...
.. some might note that often my concepts
are rather simple at some points
and perhaps when others havent picked up on such...
and even got it twisted..
then to continue or to develop
or to just get it flowin
i might use some variations of style
..sometimes that a bit an added dose of tongue in cheek:)
after awhile sometimes it seems to be that
often from a subconscious level
things that people are not used to
that they see as effective devices of communication
but has aspects of social assumptions
where actually there are aspects
that block out not seeing that their assumed
devices in part serve as a blocking and clocking device...
whether i mesmerize or trick or actually truly impress...
for some ..what seemed like a foolishness
and overdoneness or whatever...
they go WOW ... NOW I GET SOMETHING I NEVER DID BEFORE :)
SHUCKS ....
and what do i attribute such a bent of mind of mine to....
later maybe
but i probably essentially have given some essentials aspects of such
in various forms already :)
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in an earlier post here i spoke of nonlinear
and was gonna get to some more on such...
well obviously it is a kind of not in the box thing
but includes in a way what the bigger box is...
and another visual used for nonlinear...
has the same concept....
any idea of other visuals for nonlinear...
NOW AS TO ANOTHER MATTER
NOW SURELY I MUST SEE THAT OFTEN
SOME OF THE DIFFICULTY FROM FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT
COMES FROM ASPECTS OF MYSELF THAT MISS THE BEST POINT
BUT U C MISSING THE BEST POINT OFTEN IS NOT A GREAT CONCERN TO ME
IFN
I THINK THAT I AM HOLDING TRACK OF THE POINT TO SUFFICIENT DEGREE HAVING
BEEN POSSIBLY MADE...
THEN ANOTHER FACTOR
BE
THAT WHAT I CONSIDER OTHERS NOT SEEING HOW OFTEN
THE ASSUMED FORMS OF GOOD AGREEMENT
IN PART CAN WELL BE PROMOTING GENERAL SOCIAL BLINDNESS
TO SOME DEEPER ASPECTS
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT HELP
AND THAT I MIGHT BE AT TIME HYPERSENSITIVE TO SUCH
OR THAT AT TIMES I PERCEIVE IT AS HAPPENING IN A FASHION
OR A DEGREE THAT IT ACTUALLY IS NOT ....
OH ANOTHER ISSUE
DID I MENTION THAT I AM A VERY BRIGHT CHIMP
WHO IS AFRAID OF HUMANS
AS WITNESSED AS TO THE DIRE CONDITION OF HUMAN SOCIETY
AND ITS DESTRUCTIVNESS...
ACTUALLY THO I AM AN ALIEN WHO IS CLOAKED AS A CHIMP :)
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BELOW TOWARDS THE FIRST WHERE TIS SPOKEN OF NONLINEAR AS
NOT IN THE BOX THING...
LINEARLY PUT MAYBE THAT WOULD BE out of the box?
in an earlier post here i spoke of nonlinear
and was gonna get to some more on such...
well obviously it is a kind of not in the box thing
but includes in a way what the bigger box is...
and another visual used for nonlinear...
has the same concept....
any idea of other visuals for nonlinear...
NOW AS TO ANOTHER MATTER
NOW SURELY I MUST SEE THAT OFTEN
SOME OF THE DIFFICULTY FROM FOLLOWING MY THOUGHT
COMES FROM ASPECTS OF MYSELF THAT MISS THE BEST POINT
BUT U C MISSING THE BEST POINT OFTEN IS NOT A GREAT CONCERN TO ME
IFN
I THINK THAT I AM HOLDING TRACK OF THE POINT TO SUFFICIENT DEGREE HAVING
BEEN POSSIBLY MADE...
THEN ANOTHER FACTOR
BE
THAT WHAT I CONSIDER OTHERS NOT SEEING HOW OFTEN
THE ASSUMED FORMS OF GOOD AGREEMENT
IN PART CAN WELL BE PROMOTING GENERAL SOCIAL BLINDNESS
TO SOME DEEPER ASPECTS
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT HELP
AND THAT I MIGHT BE AT TIME HYPERSENSITIVE TO SUCH
OR THAT AT TIMES I PERCEIVE IT AS HAPPENING IN A FASHION
OR A DEGREE THAT IT ACTUALLY IS NOT ....
OH ANOTHER ISSUE
DID I MENTION THAT I AM A VERY BRIGHT CHIMP
WHO IS AFRAID OF HUMANS
AS WITNESSED AS TO THE DIRE CONDITION OF HUMAN SOCIETY
AND ITS DESTRUCTIVNESS...
ACTUALLY THO I AM AN ALIEN WHO IS CLOAKED AS A CHIMP :)
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However many times you tell us that you're communicating "outside the box," nothing will really happen. People will just continue to question what the h. you're talking about. We know you're outside the box. But we can't get to where you are. And we probably won't make herculean efforts because you haven't made the effort. It's a two-way street.
bunny
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DO you want to heal?
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Dear Gnostic,
Please forgive me for saying this, but I have read through this thread, and I have to wonder if this is the best place for you. Since you don't seem to be willing to say clearly what your concerns are, or why you've started posting, and since you seem to have either problems with, or objections to, linear thought, then perhaps you yourself are having trouble forming a coherent narrative out of your anxieties, memories, experiences, etc. If that is so, you may be depressed or your thought process may be affected by some physical or mental health issue that is well beyond this board's capacity to help you with. If you are trying to write poetry, there are other places on the internet where you can share it freely.
Please, if this board can't be of help to you because you can't or won't communicate in a way that will allow help to be given, find someone with whom you can talk. Otherwise, if you are doing this just to jerk our individual and collective chains, you are abusing the kindness, acceptance, and concern that are being offered to you. That, to say the least, is not very nice.
I wish you well.
Best,
daylily
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you write:
OH ANOTHER ISSUE
DID I MENTION THAT I AM A VERY BRIGHT CHIMP
WHO IS AFRAID OF HUMANS
i think this is one of the more honest things you have said, i can certainly undertand this.
ive also spent a lot of time on lists for people with schizophrenia and also mpd. i am used to people thinking 'outside the box'. i think you can start to open up to the people here. they are kind and understanding. i do think it seems you hide behind free verse as a way to say things without really accessing your emotoins though.
it would help to know your intent. do you just want to express yourself. do you want to get info etc. it would help us to particpate with you if you continued to open up.
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however i agree with daylily that if you -dont- want to open up or seem to keep being obscure for no apparent reason - the people here may quickly lose interest becuase weve -all- been burned.
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Hello Gnostic. You could always start a blog (but that seems such a lonely activity to me); or you could ask some straightforward questions? To allow some sense of helpfullness? Or to umm create an ectoplasmic-like gooey relationship feeling. It can work if you're willing to go with it, I feeeel. Sometimes. Just for the joy of letting go! If that's possible. Did you see the Ramble thread? So upsetting it was. Apparently. (What was so BAD about it anyways?)
AS WITNESSED AS TO THE DIRE CONDITION OF HUMAN SOCIETY
AND ITS DESTRUCTIVNESS...
ACTUALLY THO I AM AN ALIEN WHO IS CLOAKED AS A CHIMP
:cry:
If you send me a PM I will post you (Germany, Austria?) this, below. The book that is. Yes I will. Are you registered yet? I'll send it to a post restante address. You'll hate it :D or not. Maybe you've read it. :roll:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/074756695X/qid=1124403527/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-9374821-0127605
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Good bye....the integrity of this discussion board is lost to me. Why does anyone respond to someone who can only communicate in cynical, cryptic language. It is the same old, same old of a neurotic trying to control and our attempts to revive the human who might have been. Best wishes.
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Wow, dogbit, you are so right.
It's kind of interesting to watch us. Hmmm.....
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I agree with dogbit but was willing to give nostic a try if he/she was really wanting to get better.
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Oh this is so sad, dismissive of another human being it feels to me. It’s words on a message board. It won’t kill anyone. Maybe it might just *help* someone to feel less alone? Maybe it won’t? Maybe it’s just an outlet for some expression of being human?
So if it’s different we should step on it, destroy it, ostracise it? Like a bug? (I can’t take it when people just step on bugs just because they exist. Like some weird fear is triggered by the sight of something slightly alien. Know what I mean?)
Okay maybe I’m too willing to go on. What does that mean? Too willing to communicate? Communicate in an off-beat way? Why not?
What’s so bad or so wrong or so offensive about it all?
Hang on. What’s going on here?
One poster posts his (or her) thoughts in a non-standard manner and the whole board falls apart, or is brought into question? Why?
No-one has to reply to Gnostic/Cosmic. We choose to respond. We can choose to ignore the posts.
I choose to engage occasionally in a non-standard manner. Is there a problem?
The fact that Gnostic is posting is an expression of wishing to communicate in some way. That surely is an expression of having some hope. Those with no wish to live and share, don’t bother. I don’t think Gnostic is trying to control. I feel it’s more like crying in the rain. Just my thoughts.
Giving someone a try is a good intention. Whether someone is willing to help themselves or get better depends on their perception of what their ‘problem’ is and what the 'solutions' might be. Like, life is a disease cured by death. I think this some of the time. But death isn’t a realistic ‘option’ because to me it’s nothing, and life is therefore more interesting. No matter how destructive and inhumane humans are. And they are, the arms trade wouldn’t be the biggest world ‘industry’ if otherwise.
When someone doesn’t respond in the way we might want them to, it doesn’t mean that they are *wrong*. It means our expectations might be frustrated. Is that a problem or an opportunity?
No-one has to respond here. I just did because I had a few buttons pushed. Correction: I allowed my buttons to be pushed! *sigh*. I’m drawn to defending the underdog, the victim, those with unclear voices. Not that you are an underdog, Gnostic. Just different.
The K-Pax book is pretty light-hearted and spirit-raising. For a depressing version, Margaret Atwood’s ‘Oryx and Crake’ is downright gloomy about the future of humans. Take your pick!
Best wishes all. I mean no harm. P
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Here's my two cents:
I've tried to communicate with you ...gnostic/cosmic/joe.....a few times on this board. I do find it takes me extra effort and time to try to understand what you write...and I sometimes feel kinda stupid for not getting it....or getting it wrong...or not knowing if I'm getting it or getting it wrong???
Maybe other people feel that way too but rather than say so..they feel angry.....and want to know why you won't communicate ...within the box...in a linear way...so it's easier to get....or even to get wrong??? It might be frustration that mostly being expressed to you, rather than repulsion about you.
Your style is hard to understand, for me. I would rather speak clearly and simply. That's me.....some of the time and....what I like....what I would like from most people..most of the time. Ofcourse, I can't have what I like or would like allllllllllllllllll of the time can I??? That would be a silly desire. Plus.......you have a right to speak outside of the box if you wish. No one can decide that for you. And......if you choose to write and speak in an out of the box manner....it's just as Portia pointed out......it's our choice to respond or not to read/respond. So much is a choice eh??
I'm still interested in trying to communicate with you, Joe, but.....one thing I gotta say.......it urks me when I bother and there is no response. I feel like I've been yoddling off into oblivion...if you know what I mean? So.....that's still myyyyyy problem. Ofcourse....you have no obligation to respond.....or maybe nothing to say in response......or maybe you just don't feel like responding......or any number of reasons for not responding. That is your choice and up to you. IIIIIIIIIIIIIi need to remind myself of that....more often. Ofcourse, it is polite to respond when others address you or your posts, and I have such a problem with rudeness. No worries. My problem there too. My definition of polite/rude isn't the be all.
As to you continuing on the line......the N-line I assume......because of your upbringing/environment....experiences......etc...I would like to suggest to you that you are only a certain percentage influenced by your upbringing/environment/experiences. I like to think 50%......but......that's my choice. The rest....comes from within you.....from what you are.....from who you are.....from yourself.....from you. I really believe this. This is why some people can come from very bad places and move on to very good places and flourish in life. It is why some can withstand horrible circumstances and move past them and live well .....while others are crushed and just exist during and after. It is something in us....something we can grasp and hold onto.....that makes us what we are....our individual traits....our idiosyncracies.....our bits and pieces...that we can allow to have 50% influence on our entire situation....
not just where we are and when....but who.
It is you who can decide how to react to your environment.....especially now that you are an adult. No longer does your environment/experience/s have to have this unshakable hold
on who you are. You can shake it off....strip it off....pick pieces of it off.......until...it no longer is much of an influence at all. I believe this is a choice.....and maybe my off=line definition of healing.
It's my alien peotry. My abstract thought for now. So I want to encourage you that you too can choose to hold onto your individual-ness.....your stuff that makes you feel alien.....because it might just be the best stuff you have. It might be exactly what stops you from carrying on down the line...the effects of your experiences/environment. It might be what keeps you from being linear and from wanting to be linear. That's ok. There's no law that says you have to be linear, is there? You don't have to fit into the box. Maybe fighting that whole idea is your way of healing??? Your way of not carrying things on?? Your way of being different???
:D Sela
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Well u c … what fascinates me about humans if in their social format, something is said as if it is so even if it isn’t that it builds as if it is actually so… and then I am fascinated to watch how it can keep acting as its observations are the actual state and even so obvious J
Such as bunny with:
However many times you tell us that you're communicating "outside the box," nothing will really happen. Xx
I am fascinated by such as if all statements … I see it so oftern on news and with politicians etc too
..now for instance how many might think to respond to bunny about here absolutist as if knowing what it is outside of the box and if NOTHING WILL REALLY HAPPEN……………
it can really be a bit of an overload the semantic assumptions J
hmmm and the different kind of different assumptions if not presumptions as they might relate to narcissistic factors , aggressive factors and perfectionsist factors or combinations thereof
and with daylily I would beg to differ that I have not ever clearly said what are my concerns…
but I find in tracking such down, there would be just more and more and even after clearly making
a point and as if it is understood, I am fascinated too…how then it can come on hotter and heavier
despite when some say they got the point J
and someway d’s mom thinks I was being honest when I said I was a chimp…
actually I am not J
and as to d’s mom that I can start to open up…that is assuming that there was no opening up? J
and a reminder that I am probably not schizophrenic but idiosyncratic with a tad of schizotypal J
and tis ok if “the people here” whatever that entity might be lose interest…
but actually I don’t think there is such an entity …of such a scale and inclusion…
another interesting as if absolutely complete fact for dogbit:
can only communicate in cynical, cryptic language.
U don’t need to but has perhaps someone observed that I only communicate
In cynical cryptic language… that no other fashion of communication have I practicedJ
….
Since dogbit has goodbye perhaps someone else might explain what is referenced by
This discussion board… in this phrase from dogbit:
Good bye....the integrity of this discussion board is lost to me.
I am assuming he meant not the whole discussion board or maybe so?
By allowing me to participate the whole discusstion board loses its integrity?
Then blitz in a statement seems to suggest that I don’t want to get better:
I agree with dogbit but was willing to give nostic a try if he/she was really wanting to get better.
All just got down to Portia …good for you J
U get some of my point maybe …. J
Now down to sela’s
I don’t know if some of what I have said recently helps understand why I don’t respond
..i think I said in some lines of development that every aspects is not vital and there
yet remain parts that actually could be insightful and helpful… once again
that thing of many all inclusive overdone statements …which of course I am guilty
of at times but not perhaps in my case the contextual nature is when it is the
humorous mode and when I am focusing precisely I might avoid such sematic
sins better J
now sela when u say :
it urks me when I bother and there is no response.
That when u bother that I never respond or that
At the times that I don’t respond is when it bothers u?
And in conclusion….
A major point that tho others think that the answer that would get to them
Is simple … at times with time I have convinced some that to get them
Is nowhere as simple as they thought and that much of my technique
Was not all that odd and In many ways effective ….
Now now don’t go screamin narcissist at me J
Idiosyncratic tho is fine J
Oh oh one last other maybe
Portia …blogs I might do… but
I am not ready for all the worship and following
Look what it did to bob Dylan
And even doesn’t even realize it yet fullyJ
Oh what u mean Portia by
Sending you a PM?
I guess I am not as hip as I think I am J
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Hey again Joe:
....what fascinates me about humans if in their social format....
Yes.....thankyou for the compliment then....because I too am human and for you then...facinating in my social format. How lovely of you to say! Thankyou so much!
I find you facinating too. How only part of my sentence was picked about what urks me when I'm trying to communicate with you....and left out was the part about it being myyyyyyyy problem....and then.... your confusion about time was expressed. Not time, Joe. Nope. When doesn't matter to me. If....does. Thought I made that clear and made it clear that it's myyyyy stuff. Tried to understand why you might not respond sometimes.....many reasons.....many I may not know...especially didn't think of the many stuff about statements....must remind myself......all that. :shock:
So......glad you responded then anyway. Even though you have explained that it's the many overdone all inclusive statements...semantic sins.......that are the reasons for not doing so.....sometimes. I assume you are including me in this, so I will do my best to watch that and try not to use too many all inclusive overdone semantic sinful statements, when communicating with you, k?
For me......that was simple and clear.
How was it for you? Did you get it?
Did you hear me encouraging you in my previous post? Any response to those encouraging words? Dumb question (sorry). Of course there isn't, or I'd be reading it now. Oh but wait.....in time maybe??? That's ok Joe. Whenever.
:D Sela
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Hello Gnostic. You could always start a blog (but that seems such a lonely activity to me); or you could ask some straightforward questions? To allow some sense of helpfullness? Or to umm create an ectoplasmic-like gooey relationship feeling. It can work if you're willing to go with it, I feeeel. Sometimes. Just for the joy of letting go! If that's possible. Did you see the Ramble thread? So upsetting it was. Apparently. (What was so BAD about it anyways?)
AS WITNESSED AS TO THE DIRE CONDITION OF HUMAN SOCIETY
AND ITS DESTRUCTIVNESS...
ACTUALLY THO I AM AN ALIEN WHO IS CLOAKED AS A CHIMP
:cry:
If you send me a PM I will post you (Germany, Austria?) this, below. The book that is. Yes I will. Are you registered yet? I'll send it to a post restante address. You'll hate it :D or not. Maybe you've read it. :roll:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/074756695X/qid=1124403527/sr=2-1/ref=sr_2_11_1/026-9374821-0127605
The odd things with me is perhaps … that while I let go and can be quite wild
I can pretty fully observe at the same time..at times…
Which tends to freak out others J
And not wanting others to get overfreaked out … I don’t do it too often
That others can observer….
..i am not sure to what the it was when u say ..so upsetting it was. Now ifn I checked my post would I be able to perhaps find the ..it …in question…
perhaps what u pasted ..could well be it…
the dire conditions of human society and its destructiveness…
…if so… I am thinking mostly in terms of how they say u can put frogs
in water and gradually heat it and they can stay in and not leave even tho
they end up getting cooked…
such I wonder is the awareness of society of what could actually be comin
down the pike…. As from many sources of prophesy, there seem to be signs
that the end times could be at hand ….
K pax rings a bell … a movie based on the book I am thinking…
I think u might have some response to this
Ifn I haven’t covered it yet here oh I think I did…
But not maybe exactly in this context
Bout women being the weaker vessel
As being symbolic as to the relationship between conscious and subconscious
..as to which has more power …
many say subconscious but then some get it if I rephrase it as
which has more power the programmer or the program…
well that would be the programmer I think
and if he programs the program correctly then there is the ultimate power…
and just how should the programmer ..the conscious mind..
program the program… well of course according to the true
unchanging eternal principles of the superconscious J
now tho if one fouls up the program by bad conscious choices
it is the subconscious that blocks one from fully expressing oneself..
so in the sense of blocking full power of realization
in a way it is the subconscious but which can always be
changed by a conscious decision …to….
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Hey again Joe:
....what fascinates me about humans if in their social format....
Yes.....thankyou for the compliment then....because I too am human and for you then...facinating in my social format. How lovely of you to say! Thankyou so much!
I find you facinating too. How only part of my sentence was picked about what urks me when I'm trying to communicate with you....and left out was the part about it being myyyyyyyy problem....and then.... your confusion about time was expressed. Not time, Joe. Nope. When doesn't matter to me. If....does. Thought I made that clear and made it clear that it's myyyyy stuff. Tried to understand why you might not respond sometimes.....many reasons.....many I may not know...especially didn't think of the many stuff about statements....must remind myself......all that. :shock:
So......glad you responded then anyway. Even though you have explained that it's the many overdone all inclusive statements...semantic sins.......that are the reasons for not doing so.....sometimes. I assume you are including me in this, so I will do my best to watch that and try not to use too many all inclusive overdone semantic sinful statements, when communicating with you, k?
For me......that was simple and clear.
How was it for you? Did you get it?
Did you hear me encouraging you in my previous post? Any response to those encouraging words? Dumb question (sorry). Of course there isn't, or I'd be reading it now. Oh but wait.....in time maybe??? That's ok Joe. Whenever.
:D Sela
dang
i better be careful and responld to every detail...
else yonder cliff outside of nazareth beckons... google might reveal :)
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you 'wrote':
and with daylily I would beg to differ that I have not ever clearly said what are my concerns…
but I find in tracking such down, there would be just more and more and even after clearly making
a point and as if it is understood, I am fascinated too…how then it can come on hotter and heavier
despite when some say they got the point J
ok, here is the deal. (for me.) from my point of view, communication is indeed a two way street. its like a contract. there must be a -meeting of the minds- or it wasnt comunication. it was just BLATHERING. see the difference? if someone asks you your concerns, and you bleieve you stated them, but the person then asks 'would you repeat that please i didnt quite get it' or 'id like more understanding of your point of view' then that means -there was no communication-. there needs to be more information given for that person to 'get' what you are communicating. whether you didnt say it clearly, or they didnt hear it clearly, communication did not occur. then it behooves one or the other participant to continue trying until there is actually a connection made, that is COMMUNICATION.
if the first person wants to be cute and say 'well i told you and i dont feel like looking it up again' thats great but, thats not communication. thats just mental jerking-off and on the internet, trolling.
you continue:
and someway d’s mom thinks I was being honest when I said I was a chimp…
actually I am not J
and as to d’s mom that I can start to open up…that is assuming that there was no opening up? J
no, i dont think there was any opening up. i think you are just dancing around like a troll, and you have officially lost -my- interest. i was willing to give you a chance becuase even people who are extremely mentally disordered are capable of communicating IF THEY TRY and if they are willing to. but i dont think you are. i think you are both mentally disordered and also just trolling us. so go ahead, post as much as you want, but ive lost interest and i will go back to ignoring everything you say just like i did before. have a happy life alone in your brain. must be fun.
oh ps: just so you dont think i am kidding, i want to tell you a story of another list i was on awhile back. there we were with a loving happy community. well into this midst came a destructive, aggressive, irritating troll. now you are not anywhere near like this guy. he was really violent. he stalked us all mercilessly. he was a violent troll. you are just mildly annoying. but this guy was vicious and aggressive. well we tried at first to give him a chance. we tried to get him to open up. we tried to get him to communicate with us. a lot longer than i will be trying with you.
after a few months of his violent, pornographic assaults (which are =not= like you, you are just irritating, he was violent) we got sick of it. computer people on the list tracked down his IP address. we found out where he was posting from. we found out where he lived. we found out he was a criminal -and- a pedophile. we found out he was on probation. we printed out everything he wrote and we sent it to his probation officer. (it filled a CD). i say again, this guy wasnt just obscure. he was violent and pornographic. you are just annoying.
his probation officer ordered he stay off the internet. he refused. his probation was revoked. and HE WENT BACK TO JAIL. thats what happened to *that* troll. so go ahead and be obscure, be annoying, theres nothing illegal at all about that. but realize, that *i* am done with you. if others want to keep trying, they certainly have more patience than i.
best of luck
d'smom
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you 'wrote':
and with daylily I would beg to differ that I have not ever clearly said what are my concerns…
but I find in tracking such down, there would be just more and more and even after clearly making
a point and as if it is understood, I am fascinated too…how then it can come on hotter and heavier
despite when some say they got the point J
ok, here is the deal. (for me.) from my point of view, communication is indeed a two way street. its like a contract. there must be a -meeting of the minds- or it wasnt comunication. it was just BLATHERING. see the difference? if someone asks you your concerns, and you bleieve you stated them, but the person then asks 'would you repeat that please i didnt quite get it' or 'id like more understanding of your point of view' then that means -there was no communication-. there needs to be more information given for that person to 'get' what you are communicating. whether you didnt say it clearly, or they didnt hear it clearly, communication did not occur. then it behooves one or the other participant to continue trying until there is actually a connection made, that is COMMUNICATION.
if the first person wants to be cute and say 'well i told you and i dont feel like looking it up again' thats great but, thats not communication. thats just mental jerking-off and on the internet, trolling.
you continue:
and someway d’s mom thinks I was being honest when I said I was a chimp…
actually I am not J
and as to d’s mom that I can start to open up…that is assuming that there was no opening up? J
no, i dont think there was any opening up. i think you are just dancing around like a troll, and you have officially lost -my- interest. i was willing to give you a chance becuase even people who are extremely mentally disordered are capable of communicating IF THEY TRY and if they are willing to. but i dont think you are. i think you are both mentally disordered and also just trolling us. so go ahead, post as much as you want, but ive lost interest and i will go back to ignoring everything you say just like i did before. have a happy life alone in your brain. must be fun.
oh ps: just so you dont think i am kidding, i want to tell you a story of another list i was on awhile back. there we were with a loving happy community. well into this midst came a destructive, aggressive, irritating troll. now you are not anywhere near like this guy. he was really violent. he stalked us all mercilessly. he was a violent troll. you are just mildly annoying. but this guy was vicious and aggressive. well we tried at first to give him a chance. we tried to get him to open up. we tried to get him to communicate with us. a lot longer than i will be trying with you.
after a few months of his violent, pornographic assaults (which are =not= like you, you are just irritating, he was violent) we got sick of it. computer people on the list tracked down his IP address. we found out where he was posting from. we found out where he lived. we found out he was a criminal -and- a pedophile. we found out he was on probation. we printed out everything he wrote and we sent it to his probation officer. (it filled a CD). i say again, this guy wasnt just obscure. he was violent and pornographic. you are just annoying.
his probation officer ordered he stay off the internet. he refused. his probation was revoked. and HE WENT BACK TO JAIL. thats what happened to *that* troll. so go ahead and be obscure, be annoying, theres nothing illegal at all about that. but realize, that *i* am done with you. if others want to keep trying, they certainly have more patience than i.
best of luck
d'smom
ON SECOND THOUGHT THE PRESUMPTIONS ASSUMPTIONS OF THE QUOTED POST
SPEAK WELL OF MANY OF MY POINTS
SO FOR AWHILE I WILL LET IT SPEAK FOR ITSELF :)
.. EXCEPT WOW HUMANS FAR OUT AMAZING FASCINATING
HOW THEY.......
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feel free to connect disconnect a redubbed topic...
on the order of
when presumptions become presumptious as related to narcissism
and other matters of semantic purpose :shock:
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oops that was meant for another topic...
i b puttin it there now
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ah what i think is happenin in part is that
if one does not assume the accepted form of normalcy
..even in wanting to show its unhealthy normalcy
while accepting its healthy part...
there be such a hidden fear about one's own cloak
that one makes out more of the faults of the other
..
sigh why cant u just heal on the sabbath like everyone else :)
and wash your hands according the prescribed pharisee or saducee
or whichever it was ..way
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....i better be careful and responld to every detail...
Yes, I suppose you are right again Joe. My encouraging words were, after all, only a detail.
Best of luck to you....
:D Sela
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Oh this is so sad, dismissive of another human being it feels to me. It’s words on a message board. It won’t kill anyone. Maybe it might just *help* someone to feel less alone? Maybe it won’t? Maybe it’s just an outlet for some expression of being human?
Hey, Portia--
This isn't my interpretation of what's happening. I think that one message is coming through loud and clear on this and his other threads: I am superior to this group and to everything that is posted.
This isn't my projection; I could quote endlessly from the posts to make my point, and others seem to have gotten the same impression. Which doesn't mean that the intended meaning is that, but he has said it loud and clear over and over again, even though it's obscured by the language.
I like to write and have taken some writing workshops over the years. It is easy to write poetry no one understands, and it is really a lot safer to do because when they don't understand you can sit back with your arms folded and look smug. But the reason no one understands is because there is no message except "hey, try to figure this out, sucker!"
Note that we get random words strung together, we say "hey! I want to help! What do those random words mean!" and then we get some more random words whose only meaning is "you are inferior to me for not understanding what the previous random words mean."
Now, does this stance hide pain? Absolutely! Do I wish I could help? Yes! But here's the bottom line, for me: I think that not communicating on purpose and then being superior about it (e.g., quoting from the dictionary) is an N behavior. We all exhibit N behaviors sometimes, absolutely, but on this list I think it's healthy for us to watch out that we aren't providing narcissistic supply to someone over and over (a little bit is ok, we could all use that, heaven knows).
Just to defend myself :) I have jumped in and responded to this guy a lot and tried to understand a lot, so I don't think I can be put in the "rejects people who are different from her" or "isn't open to creativity" camp. I write and read poetry and like it. Just taking all the meaning out of a paragraph does not = poetry.
anyway. Sorry. Was that a rant? It wasn't meant to be, I promise. Just didn't want to be called a bigot or whatever.
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well maybe in some limited areas i might be better temporarily
but i might try to see if i can bring some up to snuff...
or maybe that is the problem my overuse of
powdered tobacco snuff
..it is good u know as a remedy for sinus congestion
Oh this is so sad, dismissive of another human being it feels to me. It’s words on a message board. It won’t kill anyone. Maybe it might just *help* someone to feel less alone? Maybe it won’t? Maybe it’s just an outlet for some expression of being human?
Hey, Portia--
This isn't my interpretation of what's happening. I think that one message is coming through loud and clear on this and his other threads: I am superior to this group and to everything that is posted.
This isn't my projection; I could quote endlessly from the posts to make my point, and others seem to have gotten the same impression. Which doesn't mean that the intended meaning is that, but he has said it loud and clear over and over again, even though it's obscured by the language.
I like to write and have taken some writing workshops over the years. It is easy to write poetry no one understands, and it is really a lot safer to do because when they don't understand you can sit back with your arms folded and look smug. But the reason no one understands is because there is no message except "hey, try to figure this out, sucker!"
Note that we get random words strung together, we say "hey! I want to help! What do those random words mean!" and then we get some more random words whose only meaning is "you are inferior to me for not understanding what the previous random words mean."
Now, does this stance hide pain? Absolutely! Do I wish I could help? Yes! But here's the bottom line, for me: I think that not communicating on purpose and then being superior about it (e.g., quoting from the dictionary) is an N behavior. We all exhibit N behaviors sometimes, absolutely, but on this list I think it's healthy for us to watch out that we aren't providing narcissistic supply to someone over and over (a little bit is ok, we could all use that, heaven knows).
Just to defend myself :) I have jumped in and responded to this guy a lot and tried to understand a lot, so I don't think I can be put in the "rejects people who are different from her" or "isn't open to creativity" camp. I write and read poetry and like it. Just taking all the meaning out of a paragraph does not = poetry.
anyway. Sorry. Was that a rant? It wasn't meant to be, I promise. Just didn't want to be called a bigot or whatever.
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If you like a spiraling votex, I suggest this thread.
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If you like a spiraling votex, I suggest this thread.
AH ARE ALL SPIRAL VORTEXES OF THE SAME NATURE...
IN FACT IS NOT OUR VERY CONNECTION TO SPIRIT THRU
CHAKRAS...
SPIRALING VORTEXES IF U WILL :)
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If you like a spiraling votex, I suggest this thread.
AH ARE ALL SPIRAL VORTEXES OF THE SAME NATURE...
IN FACT IS NOT OUR VERY CONNECTION TO SPIRIT THRU
CHAKRAS...
SPIRALING VORTEXES IF U WILL :)
OOPS WHAT IS THE PLURAL ANYWAYS OF VORTEX VORTICES?
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Bliz, you are so funny.
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Vunil,
Thanks
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in an earlier post here i spoke of nonlinear
and was gonna get to some more on such...
well obviously it is a kind of not in the box thing
but includes in a way what the bigger box is...
and another visual used for nonlinear...
has the same concept....
any idea of other visuals for nonlinear...
When I read your words they conjure up a picture in my mind.
My parents once bought a television, which came in a big box. My younger brother was about 3 or 4. He put this box on the sofa, cut eye holes in it, and then sat in that box for hour after hour. He loved being in it.
My picture is of you in a cardboard box. Except you pretend it is everyone else.
As for the rest, the words, they are so much smoke and mirrors to me. Can you try to cut down the words, and write the words that you are not saying instead? You claim to know about semantics. Can you cut the surface structure babbling about Jesus et al, and try to articulate the deep structure instead? I could (try to) do it for you, but I think it would be better if I didn't; this is about you finding a voice.
While you use so many words you are preventing yourself from speaking. Who taught you to do this? Where are the words about feelings? Where are the connections? Are they in the box with you, or are they locked out?
Everyone talks in sentences and phrases; cut them up how you like, we all talk the same. What is missing is communication, and that is what everyone here is trying to enable for you. Are you interested in making connections, or do you prefer to stay in the box?
Tell us about the box. If you can't find words, then use the faces. :?
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OOPS WHAT IS THE PLURAL ANYWAYS OF VORTEX VORTICES?
Who gives a tinker's cuss? 8)
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Okay, I will go out on a limb here.
I think October or Vunil said it best. This nostic person doesnt want help. His/her "word blender" is a means to seem "better than". It is narcisstic and we are fueling the flame.
It is also saying to me, by the activity on the thread, that many are responding in a codependent manner. By this, I mean endlessly trying to help a person that doesnt want help. Endlessly trying to understand a person that doesnt want to be understood. It is a relfection, possibly, of some of the behavior that got us here in the first place. Pandering to the N and being codependent.
Disconnect!! Break free, people!! You are only fueling his/her illness and your own.
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Hi all:
This is quite the discussion!! I just want to say that I have no idea what Joe/gnostic/shorty wants or doesn't want. I am also not sure that his way of speaking is N-ish or if it might be some kind of defense system/coping mechanism or some other trick. :? :?
I really believe I am curious about him and would like to understand where he is coming from but....I don't think I am codependent because my curiosity is not endless, nor is my trying to help/understand infinite. I quit with "best of luck" because there is an end to what I will offer.
I just wanted to say all that because I think many of us have been put down enough that we don't really need more put downs jammed in our cookie jars. It's ok to be curious. It's ok to want to understand and help others. It's ok to offer to try. But......I agree.....if there is no feeling of communication, no sign of mutual appreciation, no kind of reasonable connection.....for me....it's time to move on.......because
I do think we are fueling the flame by continuing to try to relate to a person who appears uninterested in the kind of relationship we might like with him. His loss. How sad. :(
Maybe another time.
Sela :D
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Disconnect!! Break free, people!! You are only fueling his/her illness and your own.
I think it is for each of us to decide at what point this becomes appropriate. I do not think that the answers I have read are at all indicative of 'illness' - more like we are pretty sure it is a waste of time, but are still willing to give the benefit of the doubt to someone who is on a voicelessness site, and who might just be voiceless.
That is not co-dependency, to me. If we are still doing it in a week's time, maybe it would be.
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WELL MAYBE NOT THE BEST OF GNUOSTIC IN THIS THREAD
BUT SOME EXCERPT EXCERTPED BY GNOSTIC THE ALIEN CHIMP ITSELF
THAT I THINK MAKES SOME OF THE BASIC POINTS OK..
FOR A KIND OF POP QUIZ REVIEW
ACTUALLY ....
WELL ANOTHER ACTUALLY I THINK
IN A WAY MUCH OF THE RESPONSE RECEIVED
TO ME PROVES THAT MY METHOD FOR ME OF SHARING
IS NOT THE ONE RECOMMENDEC BY MANY...
U KNOW THE KIND OF HMMM HOW MIGHT I TERM SOME ASPECTS
OF THE RESPONSE I GOT AND HOW IT......
"HMMMM ABOVE WHERE IT SAYS FOR GUILT IN DEFINITION 1 that it minimally is a breach of conduct IT DOESNT SAY IF IT IS OTHERS CODE OF CONDUCT OR ONE'S OWN AND IT COULD WELL BE FOLLOWING OTHERS CODES OF CONDUCT COULD MAKE ONE GUILTY IN TERMS OF ONE'S OWN CODE OF CONDUCT AND THUS NOT FEEL ASHAMED FOR BREACHING SUCH A CODE OF CONDUCT....
...SO HAVING LAID A WONDERFUL BASIS FOR BETTER CLARIFICATION OF ISSUES...
I SHALL RETIRE TO MY GNOSTIC IVORY TOWER FOR THE MOMENT "
WELL NOW JUST MAYBE PEEPING OUT FOR NOW ...
DEPENDING ON HOW THE FLOW GOES...
SINCE I AM PUT IN MIND OF WHEN JESUS COMMENTED THIS PASSAGE IN ISAIAH
The Spirit of the Lord [is] upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
... LATER TO HIS RESPONSE OF
Ye will surely say unto me this proverb, Physician, heal thyself: whatsoever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in thy country.
AND IN THEIR DISSATISFACTION
ACTUALLY WRATH...
they...rose up, and thrust him out of the city, and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built, that they might cast him down headlong.
...
i suppose a lot of my variations and whimsy
is that i be a bit leary of others thinking they really want to know as they think they do
or another factor enters in
to get into a point into the mind of others most effectively
one best can do this at times under their radar..
thus one is safe
and can get a read on dem without dem necessarily knowin
what one got a read on bout somethin bout dem
that they dont even suspect is true of demselves
yep i be gnostic
and quick like one more thing to the previous post of mine..
another factor of my style at times
be that
i suspect can be at times
when some thing they have some point of understanding
it can actually server to block
what the real understanding that was a developin
after awhile sometimes it seems to be that
often from a subconscious level
things that people are not used to
that they see as effective devices of communication
but has aspects of social assumptions
where actually there are aspects
that block out not seeing that their assumed
devices in part serve as a blocking and clocking device...
THEN ANOTHER FACTOR
BE
THAT WHAT I CONSIDER OTHERS NOT SEEING HOW OFTEN
THE ASSUMED FORMS OF GOOD AGREEMENT
IN PART CAN WELL BE PROMOTING GENERAL SOCIAL BLINDNESS
TO SOME DEEPER ASPECTS
THAT IS NOT TO SAY THAT IT DOES NOT HELP
AND THAT I MIGHT BE AT TIME HYPERSENSITIVE TO SUCH
OR THAT AT TIMES I PERCEIVE IT AS HAPPENING IN A FASHION
OR A DEGREE THAT IT ACTUALLY IS NOT ....
Well u c … what fascinates me about humans if in their social format, something is said as if it is so even if it isn’t that it builds as if it is actually so… and then I am fascinated to watch how it can keep acting as its observations are the actual state and even so obvious J
A major point that tho others think that the answer that would get to them
Is simple … at times with time I have convinced some that to get them
Is nowhere as simple as they thought and that much of my technique
Was not all that odd and In many ways effective ….
Now now don’t go screamin narcissist at me J
Idiosyncratic tho is fine J
I think u might have some response to this
Ifn I haven’t covered it yet here oh I think I did…
But not maybe exactly in this context
Bout women being the weaker vessel
As being symbolic as to the relationship between conscious and subconscious
..as to which has more power …
many say subconscious but then some get it if I rephrase it as
which has more power the programmer or the program…
well that would be the programmer I think
and if he programs the program correctly then there is the ultimate power…
and just how should the programmer ..the conscious mind..
program the program… well of course according to the true
unchanging eternal principles of the superconscious J
now tho if one fouls up the program by bad conscious choices
it is the subconscious that blocks one from fully expressing oneself..
so in the sense of blocking full power of realization
in a way it is the subconscious but which can always be
changed by a conscious decision …to….
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Deleted because post was a taunt. See my post below.
Richard Grossman
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Deleted because of taunt. See my post below.
Richard Grossman
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Hi, everyone—
I do not want this thread to deteriorate. Certainly anyone can read or not read gnostic’s posts. However, Gnostic revealed himself in this thread:
“I am probably not schizophrenic but idiosyncratic with a tad of schizotypal”
Readers should understand this.
Gnostic: I would like you to pick a name and stick with it so that people will have a choice whether to read your posts or not.
Thanks,
Richard
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Richard, should we delete the entirety of both threads? I asked this in the other thread, too. It was a tough "catch" for us to realize what was going on but now that you have pointed it out maybe we should just get rid of the threads and start over?
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Okay, I am totally confused. Caught what? Revealed what? And why should the thread be deleted? I am curious as I have just joined this board, got into a brief discussion (or maybe not so brief) about N. Revealed a lot about myself, and now I am wondering if I've done something wrong too? Is this board for victims of those suffering from personality disorders and those with the disorders stay away or at least keep quiet?
Ceeme
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Hi all, just joining the thread now
Ceemee, any board will sometimes have some miscommunication, of course. But if an individual arrives with the idea of how fun it would be to "headtrip" other posters just for sport, then that would be hurtful and "wrong".
While lurking, I have read a few comments where posters were asked to explain their actions or justify their feelings in a pretty blunt and insensitive way. But for the most part, people are careful to inquire in a caring way. That tone of communication makes all the difference. Since we are writing and not speaking, word choices and turn of phrase can replace the tonal quality of voice. Ninety percent of communication is tone and intent vs. content.
As victims of people with PDs, we are all very sensitive to invalidation and needless questioning of personal feelings. Many survivors have scars that can sometimes trip up our communication, but most people here are pretty forgiving (to a fault, ha!). But when a pattern of behavior/communication style reveals itself, posters here will call attention to it. Most times, I think we ask for clarification and give the person in question a chance to revise or hone their style into one that can be received more helpfully. that is, to encourage relating to each other more helpfully and less painfully.
Hope that clears it up. MP
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Schizotypal
The Schizotypal Personality is often described by others as strange acting and/or thinking. They have eccentric ideas about the world, may be highly superstitious, and talk frequently about their beliefs. They often spend a great deal of effort on activities related to magical thinking, clairvoyance, telepathy, or ESP. They also speak in a metaphorical tone, often coming across as confusing and overly abstract. They often lack close friends and suffer from social anxieties. Their presentation is seen as odd, as they often dress in a peculiar manner and come across as suspicious and lacking in emotional expression.
from allpsych.com
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Thanks for that reply miss P. It was full of really insightful information. I would never have gotten that from reading any of the posts. I appreciate your communicating it to me clearly. Might I ask for an example of what would be an insensitive probing of feelings? (maybe there is a thread you can refer me to) I don't know what that could be as I can't say that I have ever seen it on a board. At least not by my standards. I'd like a point of reference though, so that I can be more careful with anyone suffering emotional scars and who would like more sensitivity. Now that you've said that, I'm thinking that in the most recent situation where I thought I was being helpful calling a depressed acquaintence who was in pain from a break up, I did ask a lot of questions. Maybe they were posed insensitively. I had NO idea.
The only example I can think of were it was clear to me that the questioner was insensitive probing feelings was on a documentary of the genocide in Rawanda. Reconciliation hearings were held in the towns. Victims and perpetrators were brought together to talk about the experience. There was a group of women victims who were asked how they felt about the man who killed their family members coming to meet with them and living in the same village again. The women just looked at the reporter and said something like "do you hear what the white person is asking?" The woman looked at the reporter and said "how do you think I feel?" I thought that was insensitive of the reporter and yet at the same time I realized that he really didn't know how those women felt and probably never would.
That's an extreme case. Even I know better than that. But I am concerned that I don't have the awareness for more subtle situations.
If I ever had any doubt about being N. This board has confirmed it for me. Now the question is, am I on the right board?
Ceeme
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And why should the thread be deleted?
I'm going to have to back track here. I don't think it should be deleted. Dr. Grossman's comment on cosmic's self analysis was a big light bulb to me. I spent some time on Google trying to understand what schizotypical behaviour was. I have a kiddo with asperger's syndrome and her method of communication is, at best, obscure to even me, her mother. We tend to communicate with icons and symbols and a large benefit of the doubt when in doubt. :wink: . If cosmic or gnostic wants to post here, then maybe he/she sees some value for him/her to receive our response . If it is valuable to him/her, then so be it. At the time I wrote my original messages questioning cosmic/gnostic's sincerity, I was responding viscerally. ( Not always the most diplomatic approach :).) I believe MSN has a board that is dedicated to schizotypical disorders...I checked it out. It seems very supportive. And I would definitely agree with Dr. Grossman that cosmic/gnostic should use the same name when posting.
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Thanks Sela,
Now it is starting to make sense. What's really interesting is that i totally understood Cosmics response to one of my earlier posts and even went and looked at the websites he referred me to. I'm wondering if the replies he got and the tone in which they were presented (now that I picked up on Miss P.) contributed to the nature of his responses and their continuation. The diagnosis aside, I did think he was being ambushed. The style of his prose is different, but I couldn't pick up anything hostile, arrogant or insensitive in the posts I did read (and most of them I passed on by choice).
If there are any subtle rules that a N should know about to be on this board, please let me know. I appreciate your clarification here and Miss P's explanation. Any additional information is appreciated.
A N wanting to Reform
Ceeme
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Hi Ceeme:
You're quite welcome. I had no idea what Schizotypal means and so I looked it up and posted for anyone else who might not know (I hope the info is accurate....I always wonder about that??? :?).
Excuse me...and no need to answer if you don't feel like it....but....have you been diagnosed as NPD?
The reason I ask is because just about everybody worries that they are stricken with this disorder, when they begin reading about it and realizing that they have grown up in/lived in an environment with people who have it or seem to....and I'm just wondering if you might be in a bit of a panic about it?? :shock:
In case you haven't read or heard......we all have N traits and behave in N ways sometimes. As a matter of fact....some of these are necessary and a part of "normal" development. I'm not the best person to explain but there are others here who will put it into words more simply than I.
:D Sela
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Thanks Sela, I don't mind answering the question. No I have not been diagnosed other than taking a test on-line that measures your NP and A. I came up high N and P with some suppression. If I understood the results correctly, it means I am boderline personality disorder NP.
Cosmic actually suggested that I not rely to heavily on that model.
So after reading a lot of the threads today, I was convinced I am a Narc!! I told my husband and he agreed. I read the definition I got off the web and he said, "yep that's you." So no medical diagnosis yet but based on the definition and what those closest to me know of me, I am.
I remember reading that sometimes Bipolar, which I am diagnosed with, is misdiagnosed as N. So I googled that and got a wonderful article. It spelled out the differences between N and Bipolar and I am feeling somewhat sure that I am probably not N but share many of the characteristics when in the manic mode. One reference in the article that got my attention states,"Ideas of reference and magical thinking are common and, in this sense, the bipolar is closer to the schizotypal than to the N." And there was that Schizo word again!
What I am wondering now is what is the best course of action. I am on medication and I am medication compliant, but I still deal with these issues and concerns. I'd like to return to therapy but I am not sure what's the best type of therapy for Bipolar/possible N/possible Schizo types like me? The last therapist I saw thought I didn't need any more sessions. I agreed with her but on some level still felt I wasn't cured.
My neediness and lack of interpersonal relationships are the biggest indicators that something is very wrong with me.
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ceemee & all =
before leaving this topic behind, at least in my case, i want to explain the difficulty i was having in that particular thread didnt have anything to do with the poster being schizophrenic or schizotypal........... (which i actually guessed and wondered if he might be)...... or having any sort of possible disorder or situation....... i spent several years participating actively on alt.support.schizophrenia..... ive been diagnosed in the past as schizotypal myself - but they later decided that it was really ptsd.
either way, im familiar with all of those conditions and know a lot of people who have them and still communicate....... thats why i did try to communicate in this case, thinking that might be an issue.
i just had the feeling (just personal opinion now, and feeling, im willing to be wrong, thats alright) the answer coming back to me was not the result of anything like that but more wilful intent to miscommunicate. that is why i personally gave up in that particular case. it has nothing to do with the style or anything else, but i personally felt there was wilful dodging of communication. im very willing to be wrong and i wish him the very best if he is here for honest reasons.
i just wanted to clear that up before leaving this behind. the problem i personally was having was not with his style in general but with the way he responded to me in particular. ive spent a lot of time talking with people who are schizophrenic and schizotypal and also having mpd and a lot of 'different' ways of being and seeing. that wasnt my issue.
also ceemee i am bipolar also, along with ptsd, i think that is why they felt i might be schizotypal....... you also say "I'd like to return to therapy but I am not sure what's the best type of therapy for Bipolar/possible N/possible Schizo types like me? "
i just want to say i have pretty much exactly the same dx exact im not N..... its good you are taking your medicine and just try to keep getting all the therapy that you can, i say. theres always more to learn even if you are 'stable'. dont be afraid of the 'schizo' word, as i understand it, bipolar is a mood disorder, schizo things are in the realm of thoughts and beliefs. thats all. you dont sound very narcissistic to me. you sound introspective.
sorry if the incorrect impression was given by anything i did. ive seen too many trolls on the internet, and they do target populations like this, so my patience may seem low.
sorry again
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Well, I think that we had a reaction that is sort of the one that would be expected under the circumstances. Now we have more information and understand our reaction better. It is all a good case study, I think, in how schizotypal behavior affects people, but maybe not much more than that. The reason I suggested deleting the thread is that someone coming late to it would have no clue what was happening, and now that it sort of has an "ending" maybe that should be that. I hate that CeeMee now thinks we are monitoring posts for the slightest deviation from some strict norm!
CeeMee, I have never known anyone who actually had NPD to actively try to figure out (1) if they were communicating effectively, and/or (2) if they have NPD or something else. Borderline tendencies, yes, usually send the person looking for answers. N just doesn't usually work that way, and I have known MANY people with N tendencies and about a half dozen people with NPD (in my nonprofessional opinion). Just the few posts I have read from you show empathy, sensitivity, curiousity about your inner workings, and desire to change if you need to. All of that stuff is so far away from N that it seems unlikely that is going on with you. The one time a severely N person I know was told, by a clinician he knew socially, that he seemed to have NPD (she was mad at him and was, I admit, behaving unprofessionally) he later related the story to me as a brag and told me she would probably write a book about him. Then he laughed. He wasn't remotely worried that ANYTHING about him would be negative-- clearly if he had it, it was a mark of extreme superiority.
It bothers me that your husband is so quick to say that you are, but then I have no idea that history.
Why not start a new thread? This thread probably needs to go, anyway :) And it would be nice to start fresh.
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Ceemee,
My brother in law is bipolar. He is an absolute sweetie pie, fun to be with, tender, sensitive, just a wonderful person. I love him dearly. A couple years ago he had some major problems with his meds (too much Depakote) and went into a psychotic state where he looked like someone in a pretty full-blown schizophrenic episode. He left the town where he lives and came to our town on the bus, ending up in the airport. He was trying to fly to Australia with about 20 bucks in his pocket and no credit cards...couldn't understand why he couldn't get a ticket. Finally left the airport in discouragement. Police picked him up as he was wandering confusedly along the highway. They realized that he was having some kind of psychotic episode (thank God) so they took him to hospital and called us. Poor guy hadn't washed in days, was hallucinating and was almost totally disoriented when we went to see him. He did know us and was apologizing for being "crazy"in one sentence and in the next he'd be wondering why he couldn't get to Australia with the IV in his arm. My dear sister in law had no idea where he was and my b-i-l couldn't remember his own phone number, so we called her. She was totally freaked out with worry. She talked to the hospital and made arrangements to come the next day to get him back home. My b-i-l bawled like a baby because we took his clothes home to wash so he'd have something clean to wear the next day. He kept saying how kind we were...and how he didn't deserve it in one breath, and then go on about whether we were all going to Australia with him too and how splendid it would be. Anyway, he got home, got the meds adjusted, and is now stable.
I have seen a couple folks in full blown mania, too...and that can look like a totally over the top narcissistic state. (I used to be a medical assistant and I have seen practically every psychiatric condition there is, including Munchausens, over the course of many years.) I guess the point I'm trying to make is that bi-polar disorder can run the gamut and mimic all kinds of other problems. Doesn't mean you are N or schizotypal or anything else.
I also don't think you are an N for the very same reasons that everyone else has mentioned. Ns think they are just fine. Insight and self-examination are not part of their repertoire. To say they are well-defended is an understatement. When somebody starts worrying about whether they are an N, I'd say it is a darn good clue that they are not.
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The style of his prose is different, but I couldn't pick up anything hostile, arrogant or insensitive in the posts I did read (and most of them I passed on by choice)
Hi CeeMee
:oops: The problem is, though, that if you haven't read all of the posts, you won't know whether or not there was hostile or insensitive language in the ones you skipped :oops:...
There is prior history here, and there were hostile exchanges a couple of months back. On other occasions, phrasing and intent have seemed N in various respects. Again, much of this is from the earlier Cosmic Joe incarnation and posts under other guest names around that time, but if you look at all of the recent posts you will see some things that perplex you, at least, when you don't know the person's condition.
Schizotypal PD does include elements of hostility -- probably much of that is reactive, since people will react with frustration and anger when they think they are being mocked or toyed with, and the person with SPD probably gets pretty tired of that response from them, winding up frustrated and angry themselves, and so the cycle continues. It's up to us to break it.
I finally lost it last night, and put up something I'm really not proud of, which I was almost immediately sorry about, and took down again, right after Dr. G. explained what was going on. But I do want new folks to know that the group response here has not been merely an attempt to force someone unusual to conform because we don't care for free verse or discursive prose styles. There have been comments which can be understood totally differently now that we have the context and know that a PD other than NPD is operating.
It is possible for even full-blown schizophrenia to remit. It isn't necessarily a permanent condition. We might be able to do a fair amount of good, now that we get it. :-)
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Hiya CeeMee:
I am feeling somewhat sure that I am probably not N but share many of the characteristics when in the manic mode.
I'm glad to hear you say this because I don't think you have NDP either, in my humble, unprofessional opinion. :D :D :D
People who have this disorder do not give a rats hoot about self-examination. They're too perfect!
:D Sela
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Hiya Sela, good to see you back and hope you had a great hol :D
Just want to second what you've said to CeeMee. I agree, without reservation.
CeeMee you don't sound at all unhealthily N to me, not a bit. Not a tad, not a snippet, not a hair's flake of dandruff, not a flea's poo bit! haha sorry. :D High spirited. :Dand some more :D :D :D
Can I say please, all, without being shaming or exclusive or inclusive or anything other than:
Gnostic/Cosmic/Joe (have you chosen yet?): thank you for being you; thank you for saying things that make me think (even if what i think, is not what you might imagine I think - -- and that's not an easy phrase for me to write). I do value differences because from differences come new thoughts, creations.
Nature loves variety! Nature loves a digression. Society abhors ab-normality. I feel that luckily here we know so much about ab-normality (and what cruelty normalty can disguise, supress, impose) that we can tolerate and be curious about the differences.
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I had a good friend who was schizophrenic. When in an episode she would sound a lot like gnostic. She would sound sometimes insulting, or crude, or whatever, but I knew it was the illness talking.
Gnostic refers to him/herself as a chimp. That sounds like someone who is close to being human but not quite. Someone who is aspiring, but not getting there.
Plucky
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Hiya Gnostic :D
Now I am confused because there is an email address (for Gnu?) I've just noticed pages back here and I don't know whether that it actually YOU or not??????
Because someone else could have posted that post (it's entirely possible).
Unless you register and become a member (and get access to the underground PM - Private Message -system........), it's possible for others to impersonate you and as such, I'm not risking ( :?:what risk?) sending an email to an unknown poster (as if we are anything but!!).
Ha. I just talked myself in a circle. Darn. New idea :idea::
Gnostic, if you do the Member thing, it will make me happy, and others here too I bet. We like consistency; it's how many of us are hard-wired. How about it? please?
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thanks portia for pm info
cant one tell right off it one has registered or not
right when lookin at any name used here to post...
i was guessin u probably noted i was not registered
..but my updated guess was that u did not know
or think that if i would register....
gasp join ..... what with all the flak
... ...
another gasp:)
people can pull off and fake that they are me...
.. wouldnt that risk blowing their mind .....
coz they might actually begin to see some of my deep points better:)
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several points to the recent posts here..
man o man ...
didnt i say a tad schizotypal maybe
but mainly idiosyncratic which u c
are not nessarily the same thing
...tho some not used to individuality that is not
not overly conditioned to accept much of society's hidden agendas
and sees much possible deadening in such agenda's
...might think of idiosyncratic as essentially schizotypal
and might not realize how much they push to shift
idiosyncratic into full blown schizotypal :)
in part the use of different names is as a help
to tell what types of response it is to the thread..
as a suggestion i might take on as my mark
an X as the first letter of any name i use..
or there might be another way in the forum to indicate
what the response in the thread is to in a more specific manner...
or hmmm i could use X if it is what some might see
as my evil schizoptypal twin ..lacking all sense of good social decorum
in their book.
and xy for if it is the good twin or whatever
who where even they might find fun and redeeming value in what i have to say
and the other point maybe another post using some of teh above suggested system
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Gnostic! Yay! I understood both of your posts! Not that your goal is to have me understand. I am yay-ing for my own sake.
I guess you don't want to register? If you do register, then folks can send you private messages and you can respond (or not).
Of course you don't need to put an X in front of your name. Can't you just always pick the same name, even as a guest?
Thanks for sticking with us.
We don't care what label attaches to you; we just want to communicate with you. If you want.
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Oh, just realized you want to use different names for different sort of posts. We are in no way smart enough to "get" that, unless you're really clear about which name is posting what kind of post. And even then I'm not sure we would understand. It's a great idea but you may have to get simpler with us-- we are all dealing with lots of "stuff!" :)
Maybe we could start a new thread, afresh, and we could all forget about the bad feelings in this thread (while still remembering everything that we learned)? I would like that a lot. Gnostic, would you like that? It has a good symbolic power to it.
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Oh, just realized you want to use different names for different sort of posts. We are in no way smart enough to "get" that, unless you're really clear about which name is posting what kind of post. And even then I'm not sure we would understand. It's a great idea but you may have to get simpler with us-- we are all dealing with lots of "stuff!" :)
Maybe we could start a new thread, afresh, and we could all forget about the bad feelings in this thread (while still remembering everything that we learned)? I would like that a lot. Gnostic, would you like that? It has a good symbolic power to it.
i dont know maybe but what about luke17:3
... if your brother sins against u, rebuke him
and when he repents forgive him...
..i wouldnt be quilty of forgiving before
sufficient repentance has happened would i..
r u sure :)?
of course that only applied to men ..brothers..
hmmm ... or maybe as i elsewhere suggest..
men can be symbolic of conscious sins of a certain type...
thus even a woman could sin that way..
hmmm
maybe another thread with a kind of reference back to this thread
in the name of the topic even....
and maybe this thread hi redubbed..
THE UGLY IDIOSYNCRATIC DUCKLING :)..
EVENTUALLY SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES
WHAT U SUGGEST SOUNDS GOOD TO ME...
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SOMEWAY I HAD GOTTEN CONFUSED WHICH TREAD I WAS RESPONDING TO
AND HAD PUT THIS IN THE WRONG THREAD..
SO HERE IS AN ATTEMPT TO PUT IT IN THE RIGHT THREAD...
Gnostic! Yay! I understood both of your posts! Not that your goal is to have me understand. I am yay-ing for my own sake.
I guess you don't want to register? If you do register, then folks can send you private messages and you can respond (or not).
Of course you don't need to put an X in front of your name. Can't you just always pick the same name, even as a guest?
Thanks for sticking with us.
We don't care what label attaches to you; we just want to communicate with you. If you want.
Quote from: vunil on Today at 02:21:18 PM
Gnostic! Yay! I understood both of your posts! Not that your goal is to have me understand. I am yay-ing for my own sake.
I guess you don't want to register? If you do register, then folks can send you private messages and you can respond (or not).
Of course you don't need to put an X in front of your name. Can't you just always pick the same name, even as a guest?
Thanks for sticking with us.
We don't care what label attaches to you; we just want to communicate with you. If you want.
hmmm i b trying to recall some things i have read of your earlier posts...
such detail recall is not my forte:(
but if u were the one who wanted me to note the positive comments u made
in my regard...
so maybe it be noted that i have
hmmm someone not u i think..liked to repeat
do i want help...
i leave that for others for not if they have a mind to
to comment on the kind of ploys and negative suggestive aspects
that might spin out from such a manner of suggestion...
mind u i do really think better insight to such ...
to quote martha
IS A GOOD THING
GASP AND HOW SOME JUMPED ON TO THE DEGREE OF SCHIZOPTYPAL
I PROBABLY AM ......
SHOULD I LOOK UP IDIOSYNCRATIC AND POST IT HERE
IF I HAVE NOT ALL READY...
MY GUIDE SAYS YES ..TONGUE IN CHEEK EMOTICON...
. a characteristic, habit, mannerism, or the like, that is peculiar to an individual.
2. the physical constitution peculiar to an individual.
3. a peculiarity of the physical or the mental constitution, esp. susceptibility toward drugs, food, etc. Cf. allergy (def. 1). Also,idiocrasy
A KIND OF SIDE NOTE..
IN ENNEAGRAM TYPOLOGY THE MOST SENSTIVE TO INFO OVERLOAD
DUE TO BEING THE ONE EQUABLE TEMPERAMENT OF ALL 9
IS TYPE 9
MEANS THAT IT CAN PICK UP MORE INTENSELY ON THE ISSUES OF
ALL THE OTHER TYPES... AND THUS MORE LIKELY TO HAVE
INSIGHTS INTO ALL THE TYPES...
SO TAKE THAT ANY OF YOU INEQUABLE TYPES
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 OR 8
man o man i had typed up something more
and hit some keys ... and windows openin closin on puter
and poof what i had said.... gone
were it a sign to rewrite it or ...
anyways what it were
were about that in shifting details into
my conceptual realm signifiers....
oops is that pure schizotypal or some idiosyncratic
...that to me u had applied some good semantic
signs of consistency of thought
and consistency of thought tho is perhaps only fully attained
when it leads to its proper thing
consistency of application and deed...
and which lead to being one with the whole
as an eternal indivdidual spiritual being
of soul, mind and will....
which is the same as being one with the creator
and seeing the potential of eventual fellowship
with many realized equal co-creators..
now despite what some may say that is not necessarily schizotypal or
schizophrenice.. but could be in many social circles
considered a might idiosyncratic
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since there is not as of yet a thread about ceeme
and what her typology and other concerns..
and that what originally started in the other forum...
.. i forget the full name of the tread
but something about personality tests
...
and since i had posted some things in that thread
i will add some of that here with possibly some comments:
Re: personalityTESTS,BOOKS,ETC
« Reply #9 on: Today at 02:22:22 PM »
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hi ceeme
i see u were active in a thread in other forum
where there was much talk about me as gnostic..
i wanted to add about if u be a n
that a trick of narcissist is to make the other feel as if they are the narcissist
... and the longer they stay in the trap
.. an increase of complexes and systems
can tend to hold them there
and even after they think they have broken free
in enneagram types type 9 is thought of unique by some
in that all the other 8 are in some systems what is called inequable temperaments
but type 9 is the only equable temperament
and they can have major paralysis of will issues
and have periods of shyness and avoidance...
and equable here in this system means have the best sense of all
the other types and can be suffer insight overload
that can develop into periods of will paralysis...
the types that also have will paralysis are types 4 and 5
in enneagram types
and their are assessment tests online...
google to your hearts content:)
i would speculate u could be a 9 with what is called a 1 wing
or a 9 with a 1
NOW MY COMMENTS WOULD BE SOME OF WHAT I HAVE
RECENTLY READ MAKES ME LEAN MAYBE AWAY A BIT FROM
ENNEAGRAM TYPE 9 OR 1
AND THAT IT MIGHT PROVE INTERESTING IF CEEME
IS NOT A N
WHAT MAKES HER THINK SO
AND THEN THERE THE ASPECT THAT THO I THINK
THAT UNDERSTANDING ELEMENTS OF TYPES AND PATTERNS
CAN BE HELPFUL... THEY ARE NOT ESSENTIAL AT ALL TIMES
AND SOMETIMES MIGHT EVEN BE MORE AVOIDED THAN
SOUGHT AS MEANS TO CLARIFY ISSUES...
but in the end i there will be more kinds of things
showing the power of types in human understanding
and also how such can be abused or not necessarily
helpful in all stages...
oh did i mention that i have gotten into some
of ken wilbur's stuff as having some interesting helpful perspectives
but some things that gnostic might point out as......
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Gnostic,
I asked you to use one name for all subsequent posts—but you were unable to abide by my request. I am blocking further posts and locking the ones you began today. If you are able, in the future, to participate using one screen name, please e-mail me.
Richard
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Dr G, has this something to do with the email question?
Gnostic, I looked at the locked topics and want to say:
well u know
in other words
kill the messenger
If you see yourself purely as a messenger, how can we think that you are here to discuss anything? Being a messenger doesn’t fit the board’s stated purpose and that’s a bit like walking up a freeway the wrong way: you will get run over at some point!
oops maybe this belongs to ramble cafe
If you do come back, maybe we can discuss ramble café. Ramble meant a lot to me: please don’t denigrate it if you do return.
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Hi Portia,
"Dr G, has this something to do with the email question?"
No--only for the reason above.
Best,
Richard