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Title: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 23, 2007, 11:42:09 AM
I am afraid.  I can list all the reasons and evidence that confirms and strengthens my fear.  It keeps me hiding.  It keeps me underacheiving.  It keeps me inside my own prison......because at least inside the prison are all the knowns.  I watch myself make so many choices from a place of fear.  I act and counteract from that place.  Fear begets fear.  For me, my prison doors are literally constructed from fear.  They aren't made of metal and there is no guard at the door

I don't want to do that anymore.  I want to act from a stronger place.  If I act from truth and faith and confidence, I may make mistakes, but I won't live my life from captivity. 

I don't want to be so afraid to love myself, like myself, and express myself.  I want to feel confidence and integrity....no matter the outcome.  I want to trust God and my faith in God that I don't have to fear anymore. 

The fear and doubt aren't real. They are illusions -- expressions of the lie.  We make them real because we believe it.  Believing it is what makes it hurt us and bind us and hold us back.

God gave me faith and courage and determination.....not fear.   Fear is the tool of someone else.

What would my life look like.....and feel like.......without fear????

Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: tayana on October 23, 2007, 12:17:45 PM
Pops,

I read or saw somewhere than when we are born, we are born with two basic fears.  One is the fear of falling and the other is the fear of loud noises.  All of these other fears we have, we learn as we grow older and experience life.

Fear does not have to keep you crippled.  Use it to help you get to where you want to go.  True courage is the ability to act in the face of fear, not the absence of it.  Embrace your fear, acknowledge and do those things that you think you aren't ready or can't do, even if they do frighten you.  I think it get easier with time.
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Leah on October 23, 2007, 01:08:09 PM

(((((((( Poppy )))))))))

Hugs of warmth and comfort to you.

Came on your thread to ask if you were feeling any better today as I had been thinking of you today whilst I was out and about.

Love & Hugs,

Leah
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 23, 2007, 01:24:41 PM
Dear Poppy,
  I am going out and will write later.I want to think about your thread..It is very heartfelt and poignant.
                                                    Love    Ami
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 23, 2007, 02:11:20 PM
I have been, the last few weeks, visualizing my what my life would look like if I couldn't fail, as you put it CB.  Feeling the excitement.....being tempted by the fear.  I am not giving into it.  I am determined to fight thru it even though my hands shake and my knees weak.

I have made a list and added a few magazine photos.  I have been doing some online research to educated myself on a few subjects.  I have a list of hobby-like things I want to dabble in and then professional goals.  I had a giant conversation with my H about how much time I spend on his life, his schooling, his family, and his problems and how I want to focus on me and my life, hopes, dreams, etc.  And how much I needed his support and motivating voice when the fear threatens to get the best of me.  He is very supportive.  He is setting aside some money so I can go back to school -- or at least take a few classes.  He says he will help with the household stuff and childcare so I can go and spread my wings a bit.  So, I suppose I just need to go for it.

I always wanted to be a stay at home mom while my kids were small.  And I have been lucky enough to do that. But most of my kids are in school now and I am finding more free time.  My house is pretty organized now  As I explore my options and try to consider how I can make some of these dreams come true, I see those fears.  I feel the PTSD symptoms of people watching and scorning me.  I am ignoring it for now.  Trying to use my tools to make the images go away.

Boy, the fear is so strong some days.  Strong enough to keep me cemented in.  I don't want to settle for that anymore.  I am trying to be more social.....it feels so unnatural but I am trying to "fake it".  I don't care what people think as much as I did a few months ago.  I think I have new fears about being too old and not able to compete in the market place.  I worry.  But I shouldn't about all those things.  Anyone who succeeded at anything refused to believe the voices that said they couldn't do it.

I really want to make the pictures in my head reality.  I am taking steps......trying to find the money.....trying to give myself permission to fail.......permission to fail and get up and try again.

I am taking little steps like hosting a cuzzins party this Sunday Eve ( I am scared no one will come)  and hosting Thanksgiving for my side of the fam this year.  I am going to more church functions and trying to talk to my neighbors when I get the mail.  I am in the process of shopping for a guitar. (I used to play in college.)  I want to take lessons and learn to do it for real.  I have my old John Denver books I used to love to play up in the canyon around the fire with everyone singing along.  I started to decorate my house.  I like doing it and I am good at it.  I have decorated other homes and friends ask me for design advice ......well they used to......and I want to start doing that again.  I am good at it. 

Thank you for the support.  It is hard to admit that I need all that I can get right now. This is really a new beginning for me.  A giant shift!  I am standing at the cliff, knowing I have to jump and unsure if I will fall or fly.

I am looking to boost my confidence and self esteem.  I think I am done working so intensely on my pain.  I am ready to let that part of my life go in trust and focus on balancing my life with more happiness and expressive satisfaction.
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 23, 2007, 03:03:06 PM
Leah,

Thanks for thinking of me.  Surprising.  (Forgive me.  Most kindness directed at me is a surprise.)  I am doing really good.  You know, nothing big, just fighting fear.  Just simple, everyday stuff.....no biggie.

 :wink:
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 23, 2007, 03:15:25 PM
Fear does not have to keep you crippled.  Use it to help you get to where you want to go.  True courage is the ability to act in the face of fear, not the absence of it.  Embrace your fear, acknowledge and do those things that you think you aren't ready or can't do, even if they do frighten you.  I think it get easier with time.

Yes Tayana, YES!  I should print this out and put it on my mirror.  Embrace my fear......I have spent too much time running from it.
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Hopalong on October 23, 2007, 03:38:08 PM
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Fear feeds on inaction.


Hi Poppy, for me, anxiety was fueled by too much ruminating. But there were times when action made me almost agoraphobic. That's when I asked my Dr. for medication. It helped.

love
Hops
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 23, 2007, 03:43:14 PM
Hmmmm...........medication.  Do I sound that depressed?  If that is true, I will have to look at the tone of my posts.

Pops
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: tayana on October 23, 2007, 03:47:15 PM
Pops, it's not about being that depressed.  I made an appointment with the doctor because I was having anxiety attacks that were delibilitating.  I didn't understand how I could be find one minute and curled up in a ball sobbing the next.  I don't know if the medication is going to help, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 23, 2007, 03:52:47 PM
Sorry.  It just pushes a button with me.  It is silly.

Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: lighter on October 23, 2007, 03:58:32 PM
Hey Pops.... I understand.

And.... what CB said; )
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: isittoolate on October 23, 2007, 04:06:59 PM
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Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Bella_French on October 23, 2007, 05:42:54 PM
But I shouldn't about all those things.  Anyone who succeeded at anything refused to believe the voices that said they couldn't do it.

Thats the spirit, Pops!! That is absolutely true, and you can have the life you want. And George Bush is old, and hes the president of America ! (so you can't use that as an excuse).

Poppyseed, please remember your immune system is very run down at the moment. Its hard to be on top of the world and positive when you're body is weak.

X Bella
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Hopalong on October 23, 2007, 05:50:09 PM
Hi Poppy,
I had disabling fear...and was depressed about that.
Chicken or egg, whether the anxiety caused depression or swing your partner.

But many good anti-depressants are also effective against anixety, and I had both.

Depxiety.

Hops
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: tayana on October 23, 2007, 07:10:13 PM
Hops, I have a similar problem.  The depressive bouts always start with a major dose of anxiety and go downhill.   I can feel the anxiety coming on, and I can recognize it now.  It just starts as a contracting of my gut and my heart races.
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 23, 2007, 07:28:02 PM
Dear Poppy,
   I am going to give an opinion. Compost what does not fit.
   I worked as an Assistant to one of the foremost doctors in energy medicine in the country. I learned that any "symptom" has a root. If you cut off the symptom, s/thing new will spring up b/c you did not get the root.
   For myself,I look at fear, anger or depression as a sign that my "thinking"( feeling) is not "right"
   As I root out the cause for these emotions, they leave(slowly)
   I want to discover what inside me is producing these issues.
   For me. trying to "do " things to heal deep emotional patterns did not really work.
  For example,I had a fear of flying.I went on a trip to Russia which involved 14 planes,I think. I was more comfortable with flying after that,butI was still a 'fearful' person.
 
  For me,I approach it that way. Take what sounds helpful.                        Love   Ami
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Certain Hope on October 23, 2007, 10:04:53 PM
I think I am done working so intensely on my pain.  I am ready to let that part of my life go in trust and focus on balancing my life with more happiness and expressive satisfaction.

Dear Poppy,

This is where I am... a decision of will made with every bit of determination in me, knowing full well that the endeavor will require a continuous supply of the grace of Christ. Our pastor speaks of his shock when the church building burned to the ground years ago... and the temptation which may have threatened to destroy his trust and hope. Two things he did at that time which really stand out to me...
1) He said to God, "Lord, You've got a problem here... but I'm with You, Lord, and I'll stand by You and watch You work this through, as I know You can and will."
2) He drew even closer to his family, spending more time with them, rather than less. It was tempting to launch off into all sorts of busy-ness within the ministry and occupy himself in traveling, fundraising, stirring people up for the rebuilding... but by God's grace, he was able to keep his priorities in order and not get pulled off course by some manmade notions of *helping* God do what only HE can do.

Pops, at one time, I was so extremely and negatively self-conscious that I would not even walk down a grocery store aisle if there was a chance I'd have to speak to someone who was blocking the path (like to ask them to please excuse me). I mean, it was severe! I was pretty much afraid of everyone and everything. You know what's helped me to lay down that intense fear? I began to see it as a form of idolatry. Same with *peer pressure* and the *fear of man* - - those factors can elevate other human beings (and often self) to the point of being a consuming force in life and I know that is just plain wrong.
Okay, but I'd say, "I can't help it!"....  "That's just how I am!"  : ) Try sayin that to God and see how He answers... I know how He answers me...
and then I repent and it's back to marching forward, eyes on the goal.

Hope this makes some sense... it's poor wording and a bit raw, but what it all comes down to every single time is so simple - - - I say, "I can't!!" and He says,
"I know! That's why you need ME!"

Love to you,
Carolyn
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 23, 2007, 10:09:50 PM
Dear Carolyn,
  That is really great about idolotry. Thanks .                                                         Love   Ami
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: axa on October 24, 2007, 05:33:16 AM
Poppy,

I suffered from depression for years and years............... I don't any longer.  What changed for me through therpay was I got to the core of much of my pain, not all or I would never had ended up with an N again.  But that hoplessness has gone, the deep dark poison of depression has left my system.  When the madness was going on with Xn I felt all sorts of things but rarely felt anything like depression.  IT is as if I have purged that demon and gotten to the root of the problem.  For me it was rage at the abandoment by my parents.  This was not a conscious rage but it was buried beneath layers of rational excuses, talking myself through, all the stuff we do to make us feel better.  I met my rage and depression in its rawest stage and have not experienced it since.  I have felt every emotion under the sun since but not the dreaded depression.  I also want to mention a terrible loneliness that came with my depression.  That sense of being so tiny in the biggest space and nobody around to help or care.  I rarely feel the loneliness either.  I have realised if I feel that alone in a negative way it is because I am making a choice to NOT engage and there are consequences to me for that. 

Taking the challenge of getting up and reconnecting with life has been so hard.  Like dragging my feet through treacle.  I want the connection and desire and I want the aloneness.  Finding the balance is the thing.  What I learned Poppy is how you do it is by doing it.  It really is that simple/hard.  I do know that whenever I have been really scared of something and did it anyway it was the greatest feeling.  Might not want to do the thing again but changed how I saw myself.  I feel that I could do most things now if I wanted to .  I  never knew this.  Anything is possible.

Well done and be gentle with yourself in this new step into the world

axa
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Hopalong on October 24, 2007, 08:30:05 AM
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What I learned Poppy is how you do it is by doing it.  It really is that simple/hard.

Another nugget of truth. What a gift.

Thanks, (((((Axa)))) and love to you
And love to you too (((((((((Poppy)))))))))

Hops
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 24, 2007, 08:58:04 AM
I have been depressed.  I have been keeping myself away from everyone.  Partly because I needed to heal.....to get centered again.....recover from the pain.  And partly because being myself or expressing myself brings such intense negative feedback.  I used to think it was "ME".  So I took on all the responsibility and the weight of it literally sunk my ship. Depression....deep rage.....maybe some anxiety (but only recently.  that is not usually something I experience.)  I think that I have spent years scrambling trying to make my world safe so that I could enjoy being myself.  Kind of pulling the two worlds together and trying to convert both of them so the conflict and pain would cease.  It was a naive endeavor.  It made me codependent.  It made me controlling.  It did help me survive...but only that.

I know where the roots of my pain are.  I know what happened in every detail.  I don't suffer very often from denial.  Maybe denial of my own worth and denial of my own voice.  But not denial about my pain.  How often I have wished that I couldn't access my feelings some days!!  Izzy, what is your secret? :)  

I am walking straight into the face of my infirmity.  With courage and wisdom.  Because I know what I can do and I know what I can't do today.  I am learning to give myself the permission to see the wisdom and the permission to exercize it.  Practicing.  And learning how to balance that wisdom with all the other recovery behaviors, has been my quest.

Today, I am looking at my fear.  I am not paralysed by it anymore.  I am don't need it anymore.  I am not afraid that someone won't like me as much anymore.  My self loving practice is much more treasured to me today than the limited opinion of another.  And I have learned that criticisms of others usually comes from an insecure desire to inflate the self.  I am not interested in that.  I am more interested in understanding where proper responsibility should be assigned so I can learn to set my self free from things that don't belong to me.

I know that I am of worth.  I know who made me.  And I know that parts of me are divine.  As I believe is the same with all of you.  The worth of souls IS great. There is no respector of persons.  And I know that He IS my strength.  But I also know that he gave me strengths to develop while I am here on earth.  And sometimes he lets me pass through without taking away the resistance.  Because he wants me to build the strength.  I am not so worried about repenting with regards to my healing walk. Maybe that sounds off to you.  But I trust myself to know when I need to. And trust this process is in and of itself an effort of repentance.  I know He knows my limitations better than I do.  He knows the depths of the pain.  He walks with me every step....   I know that I can't do it alone.  And I try not to attempt to.

I want now to give myself permission to do all the things I couldn't do before....because I was so afraid of punishment or scorn or disapproval or whatever else came out of my less than perfect environment.  It is time.  The next step on the journey.  

So, I am looking at it objectively.  My fear.  I am walking straight into it.  I know you can't see or completely understand.  Because my ability to write is lesser than my ability to talk.  Had we had this conversation face to face, I am sure I would have done a better job communicating.

I am not depressed.  I am not full of anxiety.  I am full of determination to face the next big thing....knowing fully my weakness.  I just need a voice other than my own that helps me combat those millions of echos in my head that tell me "I can't". That warn me of all the pain in the past.  That searing disabiling pain that has keep me from my potential.  I know that God is there.  I know that!!  I have no doubts.  But I also feel him waiting for me....and in his wisdom and patience......giving me strength to ask for what I need.  SO! With shaking voice and trembling knees, Could somebody.......just telll me that I am good and that I can do it?  Just for today, no lectures or sermons or recommendations or pointing to my oh so obvious deficits.  I need perhaps a little encouragment. Maybe a little banner waving.  Because I finally have the courage to try.  I know I am crazy to be this honest.  I can't help myself.  It is who I am.  I may not be lot of things.  But at least I am honest.

Poppy

ps.  Please forgive me......please understand........
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 24, 2007, 09:39:28 AM
Dear Poppy,
  You are so sweet.You remind me of one of my son's asking me some version of that question.One small thing that is helping me is looking at someone who does love themselves (like my Aunt) and realizing that the ONLY difference between us are the "tapes" in our heads. Our inherent 'worth: is the same.
  Poppy,I want to ask you a question. Are you healing by expressing yourself as deeply as you are.? My "theory" is that much of our "false ideas" about ourselves are from shame. Shame tells us that we are "different". So, if we express ourselves and other people understand, then we MUST NOT be THAT different. So,it is taking shame and pushing it "on it's head.'
 It is beating shame at it's own game. Shame is the glue that keeps us in fear and depression(as I see it)
Part of my healing is seeing that I am not alone with these deep feelings of inadequacy.I am starting to trust that if I feel s/thing. other people feel the same things. S/times they will admit it. S/times they won't. However,I am the same inside as other human beings.Since age 14,I thought that I was "different".
. I think that a big part of our hurting so badly is feeling like we are different from other human beings.
You can do it.I think that you are  talented,witty and , intelligent . Your ONLY problem is bad 'tapes" in your head-- that is it. If the tapes could be magically erased and the truth stuck in, you would see how magnificent you are.                         Love You ,  Ami  (((((((((((Poppy))))))))))
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Leah on October 24, 2007, 10:23:10 AM
I have been depressed.  I have been keeping myself away from everyone.  Partly because I needed to heal.....to get centered again.....recover from the pain.  And partly because being myself or expressing myself brings such intense negative feedback.  I used to think it was "ME".  So I took on all the responsibility and the weight of it literally sunk my ship. Depression....deep rage.....maybe some anxiety (but only recently.  that is not usually something I experience.)  I think that I have spent years scrambling trying to make my world safe so that I could enjoy being myself.  Kind of pulling the two worlds together and trying to convert both of them so the conflict and pain would cease.  It was a naive endeavor.  It made me codependent.  It made me controlling.  It did help me survive...but only that.

I know where the roots of my pain are.  I know what happened in every detail.  I don't suffer very often from denial.  Maybe denial of my own worth and denial of my own voice.  But not denial about my pain.  How often I have wished that I couldn't access my feelings some days!!  Izzy, what is your secret? :)  

I am walking straight into the face of my infirmity.  With courage and wisdom.  Because I know what I can do and I know what I can't do today.  I am learning to give myself the permission to see the wisdom and the permission to exercize it.  Practicing.  And learning how to balance that wisdom with all the other recovery behaviors, has been my quest.

Today, I am looking at my fear.  I am not paralysed by it anymore.  I am don't need it anymore.  I am not afraid that someone won't like me as much anymore.  My self loving practice is much more treasured to me today than the limited opinion of another.  And I have learned that criticisms of others usually comes from an insecure desire to inflate the self.  I am not interested in that.  I am more interested in understanding where proper responsibility should be assigned so I can learn to set my self free from things that don't belong to me.

I know that I am of worth.  I know who made me.  And I know that parts of me are divine.  As I believe is the same with all of you.  The worth of souls IS great. There is no respector of persons.  And I know that He IS my strength.  But I also know that he gave me strengths to develop while I am here on earth.  And sometimes he lets me pass through without taking away the resistance.  Because he wants me to build the strength.  I am not so worried about repenting with regards to my healing walk. Maybe that sounds off to you.  But I trust myself to know when I need to. And trust this process is in and of itself an effort of repentance.  I know He knows my limitations better than I do.  He knows the depths of the pain.  He walks with me every step....   I know that I can't do it alone.  And I try not to attempt to.

I want now to give myself permission to do all the things I couldn't do before....because I was so afraid of punishment or scorn or disapproval or whatever else came out of my less than perfect environment.  It is time.  The next step on the journey.  

So, I am looking at it objectively.  My fear.  I am walking straight into it.  I know you can't see or completely understand.  Because my ability to write is lesser than my ability to talk.  Had we had this conversation face to face, I am sure I would have done a better job communicating.

I am not depressed.  I am not full of anxiety.  I am full of determination to face the next big thing....knowing fully my weakness.  I just need a voice other than my own that helps me combat those millions of echos in my head that tell me "I can't". That warn me of all the pain in the past.  That searing disabiling pain that has keep me from my potential.  I know that God is there.  I know that!!  I have no doubts.  But I also feel him waiting for me....and in his wisdom and patience......giving me strength to ask for what I need.  SO! With shaking voice and trembling knees, Could somebody.......just telll me that I am good and that I can do it?  Just for today, no lectures or sermons or recommendations or pointing to my oh so obvious deficits.  I need perhaps a little encouragment. Maybe a little banner waving.  Because I finally have the courage to try.  I know I am crazy to be this honest.  I can't help myself.  It is who I am.  I may not be lot of things.  But at least I am honest.

Poppy

ps.  Please forgive me......please understand........


Dear (((( Poppy ))))

Well I trully do understand.

You are clearing expressing the wisdom and courage to be, authentic!

Which is wonderful --- so "well done you"

Love & Hugs to you,

Leah

Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 24, 2007, 02:51:25 PM
Yes, Ami.  Those blasted tapes!!!  I am fighting them.  Can't you hear the ROCKY theme song in my background??? :wink:

Leah, 

Thank you for understanding me -- as pathetic as it may be.  It is amazing what being understood can do for a person. :::feeling good:::


Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Leah on October 24, 2007, 03:52:23 PM
I think I am done working so intensely on my pain.  I am ready to let that part of my life go in trust and focus on balancing my life with more happiness and expressive satisfaction.

Dear Poppy,

This is where I am... a decision of will made with every bit of determination in me, knowing full well that the endeavor will require a continuous supply of the grace of Christ. Our pastor speaks of his shock when the church building burned to the ground years ago... and the temptation which may have threatened to destroy his trust and hope. Two things he did at that time which really stand out to me...
1) He said to God, "Lord, You've got a problem here... but I'm with You, Lord, and I'll stand by You and watch You work this through, as I know You can and will."
2) He drew even closer to his family, spending more time with them, rather than less. It was tempting to launch off into all sorts of busy-ness within the ministry and occupy himself in traveling, fundraising, stirring people up for the rebuilding... but by God's grace, he was able to keep his priorities in order and not get pulled off course by some manmade notions of *helping* God do what only HE can do.

Pops, at one time, I was so extremely and negatively self-conscious that I would not even walk down a grocery store aisle if there was a chance I'd have to speak to someone who was blocking the path (like to ask them to please excuse me). I mean, it was severe! I was pretty much afraid of everyone and everything. You know what's helped me to lay down that intense fear? I began to see it as a form of idolatry. Same with *peer pressure* and the *fear of man* - - those factors can elevate other human beings (and often self) to the point of being a consuming force in life and I know that is just plain wrong.
Okay, but I'd say, "I can't help it!"....  "That's just how I am!"  : ) Try sayin that to God and see how He answers... I know how He answers me...
and then I repent and it's back to marching forward, eyes on the goal.

Hope this makes some sense... it's poor wording and a bit raw, but what it all comes down to every single time is so simple - - - I say, "I can't!!"

and He says,

"I know! That's why you need ME!"


Love to you,
Carolyn


Thank you so much ((( Carolyn )))

For sharing about God's Grace and the experience of your pastor's walk with Him. 

Truly wonderful and inspirational --- and so very encouraging too.

Recently, I have come to realise just exactly what 'Idolatry' truly is, in it's full, true meaning, and so I really do understand and affirm what you have  shared on the aspect of 'Idolatry'.


And regarding:

....."but what it all comes down to every single time is so simple - - - I say, "I can't!!"

and He says,

"I know! That's why you need ME!"


Ditto  :)


Love & Hugs,

Leah

PS .. I truly appreciate the 'Footprints' poem ...


Footprints in the Sand

One night I dreamed I was walking along the beach with the Lord.
Many scenes from my life flashed across the sky.
In each scene I noticed footprints in the sand.
Sometimes there were two sets of footprints,
other times there were one set of footprints.

This bothered me because I noticed
that during the low periods of my life,
when I was suffering from
anguish, sorrow or defeat,
I could see only one set of footprints.

So I said to the Lord,
“You promised me Lord,
that if I followed you,
you would walk with me always.
But I have noticed that during the most trying periods of my life
there have only been one set of footprints in the sand.
Why, when I needed you most, you have not been there for me?”

The Lord replied,
“The times when you have seen only one set of footprints in the sand,
is when I carried you.” 


Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 24, 2007, 05:57:32 PM
Ami,

I think that I do feel healing from sharing.  That feeling that I am not alone.....that is really a big piece.  But sometimes I feel like it shows all my weaknesses and somehow I feel exposed.  I think that perhaps I have learned to be jumpy because so much of my expression has been used against me in these last ten years.....and before.  I feel myself flinch in fear when I write.  I have to proof-read over and over to make sure I haven't said that wrong thing.  Some days I do ok.  Others, I have to pull back into safety mode.  Other times I force myself to write my feelings....however weak or stupid they may appear....just to get the voice out of me and to practice standing by it in strength even though it doesn't represent all of me and even though I am not that good at expressing it.  I think that exercise is building strength.  Sometimes the advice and listening of the board is just the thing to fill in the blanks for me.   I am grateful for this laboratory to see if I can unlearn some of my voicelessness.  Or to have more confidence in the strength I haven't put away somewhere.  I think when I feel that someone on the board reallly hears me or senses what my needs are and then is willing to offer a word.......that is really healing.


I love what you said about Shame being the glue!!  That is so profound.  I sooooo want the shame gone.  But I am afraid I have mountains of it to confront or reprogram.  Just when I think I am a step ahead, it is back again in full force.  But I am not allowing a day to go by where the shame is not challenged or banished.  It is on my "no tolerance" list!
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 24, 2007, 06:04:22 PM
Dear Poppy,
  Shame is very  deep in us.It will go slowly(IME). I think that you are sounding better--little by little.
 Shame only can live in the dark as "secrets. Just saying your feelings will put light on it and push it away.
   You are doing really well.
  The purpose of the board is to get our voice back.  Shame blocks our authenticity. As it leaves, our beauty shines through.
                                                                                                Rock On, Kid       Love  Ami
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 24, 2007, 06:09:11 PM
Thanks AMi.  Thanks.  I know my beauty can't shine through right now.  It is a frustrating realization.  But, I am patient.  I know that somewhere down the line, it will come without me having to try so dang hard. It is hard for me to wait.  It is that P word again.  And my desire to find that oh so precious thing I lost in the rubble of the fire.

Thank you, Ami.  So much.
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 26, 2007, 06:44:03 PM
I am sorry if I offended anyone with my previous comments.  I was clearly in a 'sorry for self' mood.  I welcome all your comments however they come and was perhaps unduly sensitive the other day.  I am seeing things so much differently and I wanted to apologize.  Please forgive me.


Poppy

Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: mudpuppy on October 27, 2007, 12:39:54 PM
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Fear begets fear.

Very true. Whatever we do reinforces itself, but it works both ways. When you finish something you would otherwise have quit or not even started you realize your fear was not justified and you gain a little confidence and eventually you won't give a tinker's d*** what anyone else thinks. OK, you'll probably still care what other's think but not in a debilitating way.

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I want to trust God and my faith in God that I don't have to fear anymore.

....perfect love casts out fear....1John 4:18.

That doesn't mean our love is flawless but that when we have been made complete by God and His perfect love we have nothing to fear because when He is for us nothing can be against us. He has already given us that strength and the peace that passes understanding but we can all too easily listen to the lies that we do not already abide safe in His everlasting arms. The creator of the universe says that you are His friend and that He is on your side. Whose the other side got?

mud

Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 27, 2007, 01:12:49 PM
WOW Mud,
   I love that post. My next Scipture that I take ( as a medicine) is Perfect love casts out fear.". I took "You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free and LOOK how much I SAW( too much----lol). Not really-truth is the antidote to denial.
                                                                                                                                       Thanks Mud                               Love  Ami
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Lupita on October 27, 2007, 06:58:37 PM
Tell me about it. I feel fear all the time. ALL THE TIME. Like something bad is going to happen. And shame. I did something wrong, feel shame all the time.
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Certain Hope on October 27, 2007, 09:08:31 PM
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Fear begets fear.

Very true. Whatever we do reinforces itself, but it works both ways. When you finish something you would otherwise have quit or not even started you realize your fear was not justified and you gain a little confidence and eventually you won't give a tinker's d*** what anyone else thinks. OK, you'll probably still care what other's think but not in a debilitating way.

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I want to trust God and my faith in God that I don't have to fear anymore.

....perfect love casts out fear....1John 4:18.

That doesn't mean our love is flawless but that when we have been made complete by God and His perfect love we have nothing to fear because when He is for us nothing can be against us. He has already given us that strength and the peace that passes understanding but we can all too easily listen to the lies that we do not already abide safe in His everlasting arms. The creator of the universe says that you are His friend and that He is on your side. Whose the other side got?

mud



Oh yeah, now that's what I'm talkin about  :D   Mr. Mud, those are some beautiful words of life there... thanks!!

((((((( Dear Pops))))))) All is well for me... and yeah, I was hurt, but by God's grace determined not to allow that pinch to grow roots.... and besides, bigger than any stumbling-stone of offense is my desire to always be available to cheer you on and support your ability to freely speak your mind and heart without fear of rejection.
As somebody who regularly gets misunderstood, I can surely relate... and I know how frustrating it is. So... although I can't promise to always comprehend, maybe the very best gift is the willingness to try... and to keep open ears and heart? That's what I value, come to think of it... because anything less comes of judgment, and not mercy... and Lord knows there's been more than enough condemnation in both of our lives.

Much love and only tender thoughts to you, dear sister,
Carolyn
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 28, 2007, 09:10:17 PM
Carolyn and others,

You know, I am glad this little experience of hurt feelings happened....I was given a great blessing in the process of it.    I recognized how many times I had been punished for sharing my feelings.  I learned how out of balance my N family system has made me and how gun shy.  I re-learned that real friends listen to you and express their real feelings too.  I learned that you CAN explain and forgiveness with understanding CAN come easily without requiring blood offering first.  My inner  soul is grateful today for the kindness of a few of you board members that tried to understand my feelings and shared with me your own.  Because I was SOOOO ready for the rejection.  And feeling so many confusing feelings inside because of it.  Not because of this situation, but because this situation helped me see such a pattern of being rejected and punished for the tiniest of misunderstandings.  I am so not perfect.  And today, I didn't have to be to get love.

You gave me a precious gift by not rejecting me.  For accepting my apology and explanation and for letting it go as a bobble and not a deep wound.  I stood a little taller today.  I felt ..... OK.  How great is that?  To know that you are simply OK.  Thank you for the gift.  It was a small thing.  But through small and simple things, great things come to pass!!   Talk about overcoming fear.......

Thank you,
Poppy
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 28, 2007, 09:14:31 PM
Dear Poppy,
 I am so glad that you are doing better. You can learn new patterns on the board,just as you are. Once you learn the new patterns on the board,you can use them( as  tools) in real life.
  That is what getting your voice back is all about(IMO)                             Love to you,  Ami

(((((((((((((((((((((Poppy))))))))))))))))))))))))
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Hopalong on October 29, 2007, 01:04:11 AM
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I am so not perfect.  And today, I didn't have to be to get love.

 :D :D :D

(((((((((Poppy)))))))))

love
Hops
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Ami on October 29, 2007, 09:07:11 AM
Dear Poppy,
 I was just re-reading this thread. What hit me was that you(I) can have denial of our value, and worth as much as a denial of deep emotions and memories.
  So, as I heal,I come in to my place that God made for me( and that my M tried to steal) that I have value in this world.
  It has to be a heart revelation,though
  The HARDEST thing in healing is to believe the truths about us in the heart. If it is not in the heart,it does not have the POWER to change us. That is how s/one can know all the promises in the Bible and be dying of self hate.It has not gotten in to the heart.
 To get all the truths of God's love in to my heart is my next goal.I have almost come to the end of facing the truth about my M.
  The Bible promise worked. You shall know the Truth and the Truth will make you free.I am almost free.
  Now,I have to address the fear that Lupita was talking about.
  The Bible says that the fear of death is the ROOT fear of any other fear.
 I want to have the Scripture,"Perfect love casts out Fear" in my heart. That is my current goal----to get it in my heart.
                              Love   Ami


((((((((((((((((((((((Poppy)))))))))))))))))))))))))

Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Certain Hope on October 29, 2007, 09:04:03 PM
Carolyn and others,

You know, I am glad this little experience of hurt feelings happened....I was given a great blessing in the process of it.    I recognized how many times I had been punished for sharing my feelings.  I learned how out of balance my N family system has made me and how gun shy.  I re-learned that real friends listen to you and express their real feelings too.  I learned that you CAN explain and forgiveness with understanding CAN come easily without requiring blood offering first.  My inner  soul is grateful today for the kindness of a few of you board members that tried to understand my feelings and shared with me your own.  Because I was SOOOO ready for the rejection.  And feeling so many confusing feelings inside because of it.  Not because of this situation, but because this situation helped me see such a pattern of being rejected and punished for the tiniest of misunderstandings.  I am so not perfect.  And today, I didn't have to be to get love.

You gave me a precious gift by not rejecting me.  For accepting my apology and explanation and for letting it go as a bobble and not a deep wound.  I stood a little taller today.  I felt ..... OK.  How great is that?  To know that you are simply OK.  Thank you for the gift.  It was a small thing.  But through small and simple things, great things come to pass!!   Talk about overcoming fear.......

Thank you,
Poppy

Dear Poppy,

For me, too.... all of the above.
Thank you so much for putting all of this into words... such a gift.
My current situation has thrown me into survival gear (to be distinguished from survival mode, because it's strictly temporary). It's not awful or anything like that, just so very busy and different...  and so my ability to express is cramped; but not my ability to feel.
Every bit of what you've written I have felt... here and now... and I'm so very grateful to you.
Hadn't realized how much I generally anticipate rejection... so much so that it barely warranted dread - it was just a fact of life.
All of that is changing now... amazing!!
Only God knows how very glad I am to have met you here.

With so much love and hugs,
Carolyn
Title: Re: Addressing Fear
Post by: Poppy Seed on October 31, 2007, 02:41:05 PM
Hadn't realized how much I generally anticipate rejection... so much so that it barely warranted dread - it was just a fact of life.
All of that is changing now... amazing!!


I am so glad to here that it is changing.  Would you mind sharing how or what is making the difference for you?  Is it that you see the world differently or that you are now teaching the world to treat you better?????

Only God knows how very glad I am to have met you here.


Right back at 'cha!

Pops