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Anonymous

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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2004, 12:34:32 PM »
Jazz, that's me above, Jacmac.  I didn't realize I wasn't logged in.  8)

Anonymous

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2004, 01:05:54 PM »
"I don't agree that I shouldn't expect for others to acknowledge my birthday"

Then you will have problems because your friends don't agree with your expectations.

Anonymous

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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2004, 01:14:26 PM »
Jazz,

There are two issues going on: one, the "special connection" that should trump all realistic expectation, demand, or pressure on the friendship; and two; you gave him an ultimatum whether or not you intended to, and he did not fight it.

Issue one: special connections are unrealistic. Real life intrudes on the specialness, and you start wanting a person to show up on time, behave respectfully, and so on. You think that your requests should have been inconsequential for him. Maybe he thought his lateness and other behaviors should have been trivial for you, because of the special connection. It works both ways.

Issue two: you gave him an ultimatum even if you didn't mean to. You might consider acknowledging responsibility for this. After you take responsibility for your own contribution to the problem, you will be far better able to deal with the consequences that occurred.

Portia

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« Reply #18 on: January 27, 2004, 02:27:45 PM »
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Jazz

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« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2004, 03:35:11 PM »
Thanks. To answer your question, I am a woman. I will look back and answer your other questions Portia, but would like to do so when I have a little more time and can do proper justice to them.
In regard to the 'ultimatum':he could have construed it as this, although I certainly did not say to him,'If you don't do X, then I will do Y.' Is it still my responsibility if someone reacts in a particular way to what they PERCEIVE me to have said or done, even if this was not my intention?They react according to their own filter of the events. I felt actually that by making my needs explicit, for once, that I was actually at last taking responsibility. The previous pattern in the friendship had been for me to REACT to what he did most of the time, because he was so volatile, and because he tended to express his own needs as though they were more urgent than mine. As regards the fact that he might have thought his own lateness, etc. were trivial matters and not that important in the light of the 'special connection,' I never made a big issue of these when we were together. In fact it is only now, through taking a step back because we are not in touch, that I can see for the first timehow many of his actions could be seen as being disrespectful.

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« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2004, 05:11:08 PM »
Sure sounds like bunny, doesn't it - short and to the point  :lol:

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Anonymous

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« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2004, 05:27:40 PM »
"Is it still my responsibility if someone reacts in a particular way to what they PERCEIVE me to have said or done, even if this was not my intention?"

If there was *no way* your actions could be seen as an ultimatum,
and if his perception is way off base, then let him know
that you didn't mean to end the friendship. Clear up the
misconception.


"I felt actually that by making my needs explicit, for once, that I was actually at last taking responsibility."

That's good. And he can respond however he wants.
He gave the honest feedback that he can't fulfill your needs.
That put the ball into your court: do you accept him just as he is
(he will not change), or do you let him go because the
price of friendship is too high?

Anonymous

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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2004, 10:00:58 AM »
I feel like Jazz is being told to adjust, mold, accept, tolerate and in essence do everything she can to expect and accept that this friend is who he is, and will not change

Adapting and accepting are good things to do. From there, one can decide the next step.


but she is not being encouraged to express her needs and wants and then expect him to finally be forced to decide to adjust, instead of doing what's he's been doing all along, which is enjoying a friend who has basically been catering to his needs.

She already expressed her needs and wants. It didn't work with him. She has a choice: she can accept the facts (painful as they are) and move on. *OR* she can contact him to straighten out the wrong perception of an untimatum.

Jazz

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« Reply #23 on: January 28, 2004, 11:06:24 AM »
Hi, I would like to thank you again for your replies.
Jacmac, my instinct is to agree with a lot of what you say.I felt like I had been denying my own needs for too long, and that expressing them at last was the only way to protect myself.I'm not sure yet, because being without this guy is also painful, but it maybe that I have to stay away from him for my own emotional self-preservation.
And Guest, you have put my choices very succinctly, and pointed the way to beginning to see things as they are now.This is also helpful,because I was not seeing the wood for the trees.