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« on: January 05, 2005, 06:26:35 PM »
Speaking for myself, I don't reply to every post even if I have some thoughts about it. I'm not ignoring the person, I just don't have anything constructive or worthwhile to say. Or I might be tired and not in the mood. One can see how many people have *read* one's post. All those people are probably thinking about it, if not replying. If I post something and there are no replies, I might have these ideas: (a) Maybe I wrote it in a way that sounded like a "statement", so no one had a response to it; (b) Maybe there was very little to respond to, because I covered all the angles; (c) Maybe no one was "into" that subject on that day; (d) Maybe no one resonated with what I said but they still aren't ignoring me, they just had no response; (e) Maybe people felt I'd "said it all" and there wasn't much left to say. I could go on but you get the idea. I would not assume I was being Ignored as there are many other things that could be happening.

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« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2005, 06:56:53 PM »
bunny,
I am concerned that my comment -- using the term ignored -- sparked this. If so, I apologize. However, I think that part of finding one's voice is having the courage to say what's on one's mind. That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone will agree, understand, respond or feel the same way. But I really feel it's okay AND important. To request that a thread be eliminated, unless it's out-and-out obscene, highly inappropriate or laced with profanity, or filled with contentless taunts, as Dr. G once put it, is censorship.

Best,
bludie

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2005, 07:12:57 PM »
I think that thread was nothing but provocation. All it did was insinuate that people on this group are narcissists, cliquish, and then invited them to join this person's group -- another clique! In another newsgroup I read, that post would be eliminated immediately as disruptive and insulting to the group.

This board is moderated and that means it is censored.

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« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2005, 08:00:17 PM »
Over many years now, I have been a member of many message boards, and have even created and run my own.  I can't tell you how many times the issue of people feeling ignored comes up.  People have posted these dramatic "since nobody wants me here I'm leaving" messages (I'm not referring to any messages here), no one the wiser as to what they mean.  This is because there is nothing deliberate there.    Other people just leave without a word, and it is found out through private e-mail down the line, why they left.   It is sooooo common, and predictable to happen.    

I think a certain amount of non responses are just part and parcel of the "modus operandi" of message board communication.  Maybe people feel slighted because they write something with a set of expectations attached to it.  When we stand up in a group in the offline world and say something, or even one on one, we are immediately responded to.   When we do private e-mail it is the same thing- we always get a reply. So, perhaps it feels strange to put our time to something, and our hearts into something, especially very personal topics, send it out to a large-ish group, and not see very much of large response (I think all messages get a least some replies).    

This just seems to be the normal way of online forums.  In all honesty, there have been times I have felt ignored on some message boards over the years as well but again, now I think it is just a natural byproduct of way message boards work. I don't ever think that now (even if it might truly be the case for some people with me hehe.. :wink: ) There may be a faulty (on the overrated side) expectation of how the message board exchange works.  

Like bunny writes, people have very good reasons for replying/not to one message over another, or even certain people over others, that have nothing to do with "cliques".

For example, I don't reply to a lot of messages that involve parents or children of narcissists because it has not been my situation.  My situation was with a narcissistic romantic partner, so I feel I have more to offer in the form of a reply in those cases.  However,  I do reply to some regarding parents/children/siblings and N's that have aspects I can relate to from my former dating situation, or one I just feel like I can relate to in general because of the way that person says they feel.   If there were two people posting every day, one about an N parent and one about an N boyfriend, I would reply more to the boyfriend scenario.  Not out of ignoring or being clique-ish with one, but only out of similarity.

This is the way I view the whole "ignoring" thing on message boards, anyway...

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« Reply #4 on: January 06, 2005, 01:32:50 AM »
I'm just ringing in on this....

I have been here for just a few weeks and believed NOONE was being PAID to spend their valued time to reply to me or others on the board.

I give thanks to you ladies who have spent your time with me and for those that read my post, I hope you got some healing or maybe a good laugh, that your not where I am and have moved past it already.

If this message board is of good hearted people who want to share or not share what is the offense??? Being Ignored? if you are a true surviver of an N, you would know to keep knocking until you get a response.

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perhaps it feels strange to put our time to something, and our hearts into something, especially very personal topics, send it out to a large-ish group, and not see very much of large response


I have seen out of I don't know 40 to 50 people on this site maybe 10 regulars that respond.
why are people that leark around have no response other than finding they have been hurt and Ignored? Learking sounds like looking for some shock value.

Bludie, you are very helpful, it sounds like you believe you said or agreed with this individual on one facet of a feeling,being Ignored. WOW you are the one that SPARKED this... you got Bunny posting a thread with some spark in it.  
BT and Bunny all of you are always there and you have helped me out so much and just wanted to say thank you.

I'm here to get help but I would never expect anyone of you to respond if you were not moved to do so.
Having triggered responses, I can get from my N. If your tired and not in the mood you work hard all day you deserve a break from your own problems so please why would you pressure yourself.

If you can relate to a thought it may be, why you should want to respond.
God puts us through pain and suffering so that we can tell others about the recovery and the giving of hope.

Please know as you can see my thread has several responses and I have a focus and wish NOT to create my messy life all over the board.  Some people have complicated concerns and explaining the same thing on each thread you could lose the translation of the concern.

So if most people move to new threads so it doesn't appear like your getting more attention than some others, I didn't know there were rules so anyone who has guide lines on how many responses you're allowed let me know....onlyrenting

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« Reply #5 on: January 06, 2005, 09:31:46 AM »
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Bludie, you are very helpful, it sounds like you believe you said or agreed with this individual on one facet of a feeling,being Ignored. WOW you are the one that SPARKED this... you got Bunny posting a thread with some spark in it.


Onlyrenting1 and all,
It was a risk for me to concur on one point with "infriendship," and that was that on a couple of occasions I had felt ignored. It was one post in particular (I think it was entitled: Sometimes I'm Just Whistling in the Dark," shortly before the board was hacked, that I had really put my neck out there emotionally -- specifically asking for help -- and I received one or two responses.

bunny had posted a really neat link to a site that had a picture of a goddess on it. Unfortunately the thread was lost due to the hacking of the board. At any rate, it was mainly my ego that had been ruffled. And as my many responses and/or posts thereafter reveals, I got over it and moved on. As we all know, life's outcomes often aren't what we expect or anticipate. BT was wise in pointing out:

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Maybe people feel slighted because they write something with a set of expectations attached to it.


So I apologize to one and all if my comment somehow fanned or fueled discord. It was, in fact, progress for me to take a risk, say what I really felt, and let the chips fall where they did. However, I highly value this board and its members. It's been a wonderful resource for me (as I'm sure it is for others) in healing and recovering from a destructive relationship with an N. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that it's been life-changing because I now understand more fully what happened with my Dad. Along with being an alcoholic I am convinced he suffered from NPD, too.

In short, this board has been a gift. And I want to treat it as such. I do still stand by my comment, however, and also have concern about censorship from fellow posters. I think it's a given that Dr. G moderates this board but I would fear precedence of a comment or thread being eliminated because someone didn't agree with it. It would open the door, in my opinion, to restricting freedom of expression.

Thank you to all who have helped me so much these past months. I view this board as a sanctuary and will give careful thought in the future as to what I post, respond to or comment on.

Best,
bludie
Best,

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« Reply #6 on: January 06, 2005, 09:53:45 AM »
Hello all.

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also have concern about censorship from fellow posters


Bludie I feel like I want to agree with you but then I thought how can individual posters censor anything, really? It’s up to individuals to keep posting and to the group to encourage it isn’t it? I dunno. I’d like to understand what you mean here. Okay, I want to know if you mean me! There, that’s nearer the truth. Ouch. Am I a censoror??

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will give careful thought in the future as to what I post, respond to or comment on.

It sounds like you might be censoring yourself Bludie. Because of that other thread? No need as far as I can tell.  :)

Bunny, can I just clarify please? I think you started this thread to counteract the ‘clique’ thread, am I correct? So it wasn’t a comment by Bludie? Maybe I'm a bit lost here.

And Bludie, I didn’t see your comment elsewhere, sorry, so I am ignorant of that. A tad confused too. Today I’m just responding to the clique thread and this one as I think they are linked. But I could be wrong!  :roll: P

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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2005, 10:00:29 AM »
Portia,
This has gotten confusing but I did want to clarify that I'm not implicating you as a censor. Heck, I am not nor wish to point fingers at anyone.

I have always and will continue to enjoy your posts. You have a refreshing way of cutting to the quick while injecting some humor and food for thought. I especially got a kick out of your posting the other day in between dance moves to George Michael. A hoot!

Best,
bludie

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« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2005, 10:22:03 AM »
:D happy happy :D
Thanks for your generous comments Bludie. I often post and then go away thinking 'should I have said that?' but then I think 'you gotta have faith, oo ahh yeah, you gotta have faith...' (not to everyone's taste I guess but it cheers me up). I guess you're okay too about this stuff? I think self-censorship is okay when we're thinking about commenting  directly about other people, but not when we're truthfully saying how we feel. I don't see any need for you to censor yourself, really. Thanks again, Portia

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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2005, 10:38:00 AM »
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:D happy happy  :D  I guess you're okay too about this stuff?


Yes, yes. I am okay. In fact my trouble most times is that I can take myself too seriously. Another valuable thing for me to keep in mind as I make my recovery journey.

Keep dancing, girl!

Best,
bludie
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2005, 10:47:27 AM »
Ha ha.  :roll: Sorry Bludie, you must think I’m either blind or taking the proverbial. The former is the case, blindness. I’ve just read all of the clique thread again and seen your post so now I get it, now I understand.  :oops: Doh! You responded to the being ignored part and Bunny started this thread so as not to feed the stuff on the other thread…and I just concentrated on In Friendship’s posts so I didn’t connect yours with this. Yes, I am that blind, stoopid, quick to type and not to read. Sorry. Anyhoos, none of my reply to IF was directed to you or anyone else okay? I just read IF’s stuff and responded. It pressed a few of my buttons and I tested out my reaction. If I can do it here, I can do it to myself and hey, just maybe with other people in the real world too. Trying to see things clearly – I don’t find it easy.

So sorry Bludie and Bunny and all else on this thread, ‘as you were’ so to speak, maybe I’ll investigate spectacles. P

PS Just seen your last post Bludie. Yeah! I take myself very seriously sometimes – but we have to! No-one else is going to do it for us right? Sad but true. Being serious – being playful, it’s another precious balance I guess. Okay, as you mentioned it, time for a musical interlude… :D  best, P

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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2005, 11:46:24 AM »
On a re-read this jumped out in brilliant flashing neon:

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so anyone who has guide lines on how many responses you're allowed let me know....onlyrenting


From what I’ve seen, keep going onlyrenting! I think you can keep a thread going until you run out of steam.  :D

And I think once you have a thread up and running, it kind of becomes a room that folk visit and talk in and leave.. so it becomes part of the group….others wander in, listen, don’t say anything, wander out again...I guess what I’d like to say is, please don’t worry at all about being ‘allowed’ to do anything – here or elsewhere. You can make your own rules. Portia

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« Reply #12 on: January 06, 2005, 01:04:50 PM »
The Third  Step

The First Step for my wife and I was about six months ago. While listening to the news, I heard Mark Hacking described as a narcissist. As the story unfolded, we became appalled  as we realized that we have been the target of the same disorder for over 30 years. During that time, we  almost lost our minds because of the manipulation and targeting that we have received by our N’s.  The horrors and belittling is just unbelievable. From this comes the voicelessness that follows, as your whole family is turned against you by the narcissist. Three times I have seen in the faces of three different N’ s,  the pleasure that comes across their faces as they have what they think is you squirming under their thumb. They did not even see that what we  were giving them was grace, or a chance to turn around before it was too late to mend the relationship. N s are almost all the same, just different faces.  As we listened to the reports of the lack of empathy that Mark Hacking and Scott Peterson had for their own wives, we saw for the first time in over 30 years that there was a reason for these unending attacks and belittling toward us by our N s. We took our first step, narcissistic NPD behavior was uncovered, we were not nuts.

The Second Step  Armed with the knowledge of discovery of N’s, which is the first step,  my wife and I went to the net to find information on what a narcissist was, how they think, what makes them tick, and how they operate. We had questions, were those who had targeted us for so many years really narcissistic?  Were we narcissistic?  We found books, articles, and web pages of information. We ordered books, read articles, searched and armed ourselves with knowledge.  We also changed our clothes. We stepped out of the garments that had been placed upon us by our N’ s.  We embraced empathy and thanked God that we could feel emotion. We celebrated the simple fact that we knew that we had faults. To be able to change your course, to be able to say that you are sorry and mean it, to be able to cry in gratitude over the goodness in another person are not signs of illness or that you are mentally unstable, but they are signs that you have one of God’s greatest gifts. You are human, you are well, you can love and feel other’s pain. You are whole, you are normal.  What had been a great confusion now became understandable and even predictable. Once you  identify the problem, which is the first step, take the second step and arm yourself with knowledge as we are doing.  Over the years we have tried to deal with our  N’s in different ways. We have  tried to love them out of it. We have gone  toe to toe with them and had to back off.  If you go toe to toe with a N they will never back down, they will go at it with you until one of you is dead. They have no empathy. They will do anything to protect their beloved image of themselves that they have produced,so people will give them their much needed supply.

The Third Step  Armed with the first step of discovery and the second step of knowledge, you then press forward for the third step. Are there others out there who are going through the same things that we are going through?
We searched and we found you.  We found you and we have cried with you, we have laughed with you, we have hurt with you. We  are the veterans of the war that N’ s have waged against us. We are not perfect. We don’t always write with wisdom. As we gain knowledge and look back, there are some things we wish we had said differently. But finally, for once in our lives, we can speak and be heard. This may be the only place we may ever have that privilege.

Right here,  my N’ s would say I am too emotional, but I would have to tell you that we love you and would wrap our arms around you and hold you and tell you that you are not crazy. I can not tell you how much each and everyone of your posts have meant to me and my wife. We are printing them out and making a book of them. We will never see your faces, but you will forever be cherished in our hearts because you have dared to open up and share  your hurts and stories with us. As you are healing and trying to come to grips with the fact that your whole life has been messed up by  N’s,  you sometimes revert to trying to fix the problem because the nightmare is sometimes too great to bare. When we do that, please just love us. It hurts so bad, just hold us. If you are having a hard time dealing with your N know that you are not alone.

 This web site is not a clique as we have been accused of being. It is a meeting place of imperfect, hurting people who are hurting and healing and who desperately need each other. I hope  we can  put this accusation behind us and get on  with our mission. Our mission is to help each other to heal from the targeting of N’s and to regain our dignity and voice. All that I can say to each and everyone of you is, Thank you, Thank you, Thank you. You are beautiful, You can cry, you can love, you can feel,  you can change, you are made in the image of the one who is above all, through all, and in you all. Hugs to you, be healed. Now  we must go on to the forth step, and that is to make a new life that is not controlled by  N’s.

With Love  MywifeandI

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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2005, 07:53:29 AM »
We searched and we found you. We found you and we have cried with you, we have laughed with you, we have hurt with you. We are the veterans of the war that N’ s have waged against us. We are not perfect. We don’t always write with wisdom. As we gain knowledge and look back, there are some things we wish we had said differently. But finally, for once in our lives, we can speak and be heard. This may be the only place we may ever have that privilege.

Very well stated, mywifeandI. Thank you so much for your heartfelt post. It surely helped me and I appreciate your taking the time to say so much to so many.

Best,
bludie
Best,

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2005, 08:46:41 AM »
I like this board a lot.  The posts are always very thought provoking, and I learn a lot from them.  On the downside, I am not strong, and often cannot read for long before getting triggered, and having to leave and find some space.  Then, if I manage to read for a while, and reply, that is generally enough.  So one reply in a week is good going.  Usually I post here a lot less.

So if I read a post and do not reply to it, it is generally because I either am not strong enough, or have nothing to add, that I think would be of interest, or else because I think it has all been said, and I am a recipient of the information, rather than a contributor to it.  And there are probably lots of other possibilities.

In general, I think if anyone at all comes here and makes statements about other people's shortcomings, people who they really do not know well enough, and are certainly not qualified to judge, the statements are far more likely to be projections than objective observations.  I am happy to visit when I can, and learn a lot.  I only wish I were resilient enough to stick around to learn more, but it is a slow process.  

But I am not about to listen to any Pied Piper who tells me this is a terrible place, let's all go somewhere else, where the grass is green, and everyone lives happily ever after.  Sad to say, if the Pied Piper is unhappy here, he or she may well be unhappy everywhere.   :(

A good online friend of mine says that you get out of message boards what you put into them.  With support groups such as this, my own experience is that you get out of them as much as you are able to bear, and then when you can, you try to put a little back, as a way of saying thank you.