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chutzbagirl

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« on: May 09, 2005, 11:38:36 AM »
Hi,

I've just had the Mother's Day from h**l and am in a lot of emotional pain.  I was feeling alright the day before - until I woke up on Mother's Day to my daughter in tears because she was unable to surprise me with breakfast.  (I woke up earlier than expected.)  So I encouraged her to go forward with breakfast and asked her to make some yummy muffins.

The main point of the story is my husband blamed me for my daughter's frustration.  Hello, it was Mother's Day, isn't he supposed to give a little?  He claims I want the moon when all I really wanted is for him to talk to the kids, coordinate plans and expectations, and have a pleasant day.  I'm tired of being accused of wanting or expecting too much when all I really want is some thoughtfulness and value.  

This is the story of my life since I was raised by N's.  I don't know how much longer I can go on in this hamster wheel.  I work and do my best to give and forgive and be the woman I believe God wants me to be, and my tank is still empty.  I planned a pedicure for myself so I wouldn't be too disappointed, but the day was still horrible.  His scarcasm, accusations and total lack of ability to take ownership scares me. By the afternoon I fell into ugly behavior myself.   :(   It's just too familiar.  

I feel despair today.  I really don't know if I can continue in this marriage.  I would love to know how it feels to be in a relationship where people give and take on a more equal basis.  I don't think my H is a N; but he sure is incapable of consideration and thoughtfulness.  He's highly critical and scarcastic and lacks the ability to encourage or be intimate on a regular basis.  Every now and then I get a little intimacy - but it is not enough; I'm scraping bottom.  I don't think my heart can take it anymore.  

I felt so sad for my kids yesterday.  They wanted me to have a good day - but I just couldn't fake it.  I look at them and it tears my heart out to think of divorce.  I don't want to hurt them.  I want to give them a firm foundation.  But, this marriage is so painful for me.  I'm really confused.  Then I wonder how much of this pain is still from my past and how much of it is me?  The problem is, I believe I've been carrying his responsiblity far too long - we've been married almost 17 years.  The problems haven't changed or gotten better.  In fact, now that I've been in recovery for a while, his behavior is starting to hurt more.

I've worked really hard at my recovery and spiritual growth.  I've made some tough decisions to seperate from harmful family members.  I've tried to let what he is able to give me be enough; but unless he is able to begin taking ownership and practicing consideration - I may have to leave.
I struggle with this marriage far more than I let on.  He hit a bottom a few months ago due to some health issues that scared the crap out of him.  Since his health issues have been somewhat resolved, he's hardened back up.

I know the impact of divorce on children - mine are 7 and 10.  I strongly disagree with divorce.  I want nothing more than a healthy family.  But what do I do when I am blamed for his selfishness and lack of love?  I could cite many examples, but I don't want to bore you to tears.  One of us being in tears is enough - don't you think?   :roll:   Suffice it to say that my T, who sees both of us seperately, confirms that I have never known what it is like to receive emotional support from the significant people in my life - spouse included.   :cry:

I have read a lot of wisdom on this board.  I've enjoyed pming a few of you - but I needed to place this heartache out in the open.   Thanks for taking the time to read my thread.

Chutzbagirl

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« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2005, 12:36:21 PM »
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Hi,

I've just had the Mother's Day from h**l and am in a lot of emotional pain.  I was feeling alright the day before - until I woke up on Mother's Day to my daughter in tears because she was unable to surprise me with breakfast.  (I woke up earlier than expected.)  So I encouraged her to go forward with breakfast and asked her to make some yummy muffins.

The main point of the story is my husband blamed me for my daughter's frustration.  Hello, it was Mother's Day, isn't he supposed to give a little?  He claims I want the moon when all I really wanted is for him to talk to the kids, coordinate plans and expectations, and have a pleasant day.  I'm tired of being accused of wanting or expecting too much when all I really want is some thoughtfulness and value.  

I felt so sad for my kids yesterday.  They wanted me to have a good day - but I just couldn't fake it.  I look at them and it tears my heart out to think of divorce.  
Chutzbagirl


I am sorry that you are in so much pain, Chutzbagirl.  This sounds like a situation where a day with certain expectations became a kind of lightning conductor, attracting all the problems that kind of roll around normally, but don't actually turn into a storm.

However, I have to say that my first thoughts are for your daughter.  Mother's Day is not just about the mother, imo.  It is about our relationship with our children.    When your children are small Mother's Day is about seeing your children, and accepting the gifts they bring to you to say 'thank you'.  I can understand you wanting your h to direct and deliver what you would like to receive, but this approach is not good for your daughter.  She needs to hear that whatever she has brought, however late or messy, however inedible, is absolutely marvelous and has made your day complete.  That, to me, is what Mother's Day is about for a young child.

To allow your daughter to feel that she got it wrong, and disappointed you, will turn into a message for her that she is wrong, and a disappointment.  Maybe there is room for some fence building here.

Whatever is or is not happening within your marriage, I would say that your daughter - both your children - needs to be outside that dynamic, and treated with care and compassion by both of her parents, rather than becoming part of the picture, part of the disappointment.  You cannot fake a happy marriage when it is not happy, you are right about that.  But you can, and should, imo, fake a smile when your daughter doesn't deliver what you would prefer to have on Mother's Day.  

I am sorry if this is not what you want to hear.  But reading your post, I am afraid I identified mostly with the child without a voice, who feels that she got it wrong, and let her mother down, and doesn't know what to do.

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« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2005, 01:13:13 PM »
I understand how you feel Chutz.  I am sorry that your heart aches because there is nothing worse then feeling the pain of a broken heart.

I wanted to also say that I think you shouldnt be so hard on yourself when it comes to your relationship with your husband effecting your kids.  You mentioned that you wanted to stay in the marriage for the sake of your kids.  HUN, those kids are watching your relationship (good or bad) and by doing so they are learning what a relationship should consists of by your example.  I have only been married one time.  My husband was not abusive, he was not a bad person at all, I just didnt love the man.  I look back and I now realize I married him for all the wrong reasons.  He was an excellent provider, an ok father, but I just did not love the man.

I did not want my girls to think that love and marriage should be the way my marriage was.  I wanted them to be able to talk and laugh in the car as they were driving with their husbands.  I didnt want them to have to be sitting with their arms crossed gazing at the couple in the car beside them with envy as they watched them beam with happiness.

I was misserable, I looked miserable, I felt miserable and I am sure I made everyone around me miserable while I was married to my husband.  My kids did not suffer because of our divorce.  My kids for the first time in a long time experienced what it was to laugh and enjoy their HOME instead of walking in the door and having to evaluate the mood of the house.

You have two choices on this one.  You can either sit down and try to talk to your husband to see if you can help him understand how you feel.  Or, you can decide that enough is enough and you can begin to explore who the real you is and you can begin to let the real you live a joyful life.

No matter what you decide, you deserve the right to live your life with the feeling of being loved and cherished.  There is nothing worse then feeling all alone when you have someone sitting right beside you.  I would rather be alone then to settle on the emptiness of an unbalanced marriage.

/Hugs to you.  You are worthy of the fuzzy feelings of hugs hun.
Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me!

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« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2005, 02:32:18 PM »
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I was feeling alright the day before - until I woke up on Mother's Day to my daughter in tears because she was unable to surprise me with breakfast.  (I woke up earlier than expected.)  So I encouraged her to go forward with breakfast and asked her to make some yummy muffins.


This sounds kind of normal. I'm not sure why your husband blamed you for anything. Was he annoyed by your daughter's crying?

My question is, does your therapist also see both of you as a couple? Would she do that? Or could she refer you? I think couples counseling could help by confronting him about his sarcasm and acting out. And he can talk about his frustration in a safe place. I'd give that a try before seriously contemplating divorce.

{{{ chutzbagirl }}}

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« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2005, 03:03:25 PM »
October,

I appreciate your concern for my daughter, and your concern for voiceless children in general. Her tears were not about me rejecting her breakfast; her tears were about her dashed expectations of catching me in bed still asleep.  Of course I welcome and accept any gifts my children offer me.  My daughter is a wonderful cook for her age and brought me a terrific lunch.  

My pain is about my H's lack of thoughtfulness in coordinating plans with the children in an attempt to avoid the type of frustrations my daughter experienced in the first place. There was no communication between him and the kids.  She had no idea we were going to early service.  I had no idea she wanted to surprise me so badly with breakfast because she was keeping it a surprise.  My H blamed me for her frustrations.  See, that's the problem, being blamed and accused of not caring when in fact I care very deeply. My daughter does not have a problem with voicelessness, I have worked hard at recovery to give her a voice.  I have the problem with voicelessness.

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« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2005, 03:08:49 PM »
Hi (((((Bunny))))),

Thanks for your concern.  We are seeing the same counselor but not together.  I saw him today and he mentioned he may want to see us together.  My internal response is "whatever" - I'm starting to loose hope in his ability or desire to become thoughtful and considerate.  I'm tired of coming up short with emotionally unavailable people.  I like to give and help.  I'm tired of facing scarcasm and judgement.  

I feel a little afraid about where I'm at.  I've never been this hopeless or far away from him before.  If anything good is gonna come out of this situation it needs to come from God because I'm done.

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« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2005, 03:19:26 PM »
(((((((((Chutz)))))))))

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« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2005, 04:28:11 PM »
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My pain is about my H's lack of thoughtfulness in coordinating plans with the children in an attempt to avoid the type of frustrations my daughter experienced in the first place. There was no communication between him and the kids.  She had no idea we were going to early service....{etc.}


Some thoughts...

Your husband sounds like he lacks knowledge of children. I'm thinking he is clueless, doesn't understand children, has little knowledge of child development, is immature himself, and doesn't feel like putting himself out for anyone else. Then when there is a consequence (daughter upset, crying), he can't handle the guilt and shame and starts acting like an ass. A good therapist can help this situation by confronting your husband about his acting out, and by helping you with assertion. Is your therapist qualified to do couples therapy? I'd definitely give it a try, you have nothing to lose.

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« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2005, 04:41:43 PM »
((((((((((Chutz))))))))))

How poopy, after the Sunday before.

I can't express myself in civil language re your husbozo, so I won't even try.

 :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :(  :(  :(  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:  :evil:

 I will say, though, that he can do a lot better than he is doing. And if he can't clean up his act, what is he doing going to church on Sundays? Fibbing to you or to himself? Because he sure s**t ain't foolin' God.

GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2005, 04:44:54 PM »
Dear Chutzbagirl:

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I look at them and it tears my heart out to think of divorce. I don't want to hurt them. I want to give them a firm foundation.


Right now it sounds like you feel confused, a bit trapped and hopeless.  Who wouldn't be?  Your husband treats you sarcastically, judging you constantly and you know this is not what a loving relationship is like.

Good for you for mentioning to the T about him seeing both of you.   I think this will help.  It will help you to voice what you feel and what this experience is like for you.  It will help you to see the reaction of your husband.  It will help to have a "witness", the T, who will hopefully help you through to the next step, in your private sessions.

Seeing their parents unhappy, unloving, communicating negatively...will hurt your children too.  So staying the way things are is probably something you will not be able to tolerate much longer because...you want to give your children a firm foundation.

You don't have to make any decisions immediately, right?  Maybe try the therapy together and see how it goes.  

My prayers for you and your family, Chutzbagirl.  I know this is very hard and upsetting.  Don't let it tear you appart.  Keep your mind open to positive change.....an improved marital situation and if that doesn't happen, you can then be open to other choices.

((((((((((Chutzbagirl))))))))))

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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2005, 04:46:50 PM »
I think Mother's Day is a day when the Dad and the kids 'conspire' to 'surprise' Mum.

Even if this means that it 'leaks out' but you and hubby love each other and your kids to 'pretend' to be surprised.

The kids are happy, you both are happy and it's a lovely family situation.

I think HE could have done more to nurture your daughter's surprise to you.

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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2005, 05:15:34 PM »
Sorry for you rotten day, Chutzbagirl

I can relate to your feelings, my marriage was like that. I chose divorce over slow death and the hypocrisy of calling what was happening in my household a marriage. No piece of paper and no recitation by some minister make a marriage and broken homes that break over and over are worse than ones with one clean break, in my opinion.
But you do not have to let your Hs words and moods determine your moods and actions. I got a lot of help from AlAnon's concept of detachment. I learned to watch how I put my faith in expectations, and made those expectations a kind of Higher Power. Great serenity comes from detaching from expectations and, moment by moment, accepting What Is, letting What Is be What Is. I know it can sound very jargon-y yet when I let go of my expectations, and stop pushing for change, sometimes the day smoothes out of its own accord. And if not, trying to change other people or hope they act differently, expends the energy I'd be better off using to keep my own sanity and serenity.

I'm sorry you are hurting.
Happy day after Mother's Day!

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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2005, 05:39:33 PM »
chutzbagirl, I'm sorry that you feel so depleted right now.  I've been in a very similar relationship with my wife, also for 17 years.

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The main point of the story is my husband blamed me for my daughter's frustration.  Hello, it was Mother's Day, isn't he supposed to give a little?  He claims I want the moon when all I really wanted is for him to talk to the kids, coordinate plans and expectations, and have a pleasant day.  I'm tired of being accused of wanting or expecting too much when all I really want is some thoughtfulness and value.

That actually MAY be too much for him to do, right now or maybe ever.  Not that there is anything wrong with you wanting and even expecting that in a spouse.  He may be ignorant of how to do that, he may not care enough to do that, he may be too heavily defended to change.  I agree with others here that the only possible way to know is to give joint therapy a try.

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This is the story of my life since I was raised by N's.  I don't know how much longer I can go on in this hamster wheel.  I work and do my best to give and forgive and be the woman I believe God wants me to be, and my tank is still empty.  I planned a pedicure for myself so I wouldn't be too disappointed, but the day was still horrible.  His scarcasm, accusations and total lack of ability to take ownership scares me. By the afternoon I fell into ugly behavior myself.   :(   It's just too familiar.

What do you need to do to take care of yourself and get your needs met?  Maybe give less in situations where you don't get enough in return?  That isn't being selfish, that's taking care of yourself.  Set boundaries with your H so that sarcasm and unrealistic comments are not allowed around you?  What he says is about him, not you.  Unfortunately that doesn't always keep it from hurting, not so much from the comment, but that he didn't care enough to NOT make the nasty comment in the first place.

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I feel despair today.  I really don't know if I can continue in this marriage.  I would love to know how it feels to be in a relationship where people give and take on a more equal basis.  I don't think my H is a N; but he sure is incapable of consideration and thoughtfulness.  He's highly critical and scarcastic and lacks the ability to encourage or be intimate on a regular basis.  Every now and then I get a little intimacy - but it is not enough; I'm scraping bottom.  I don't think my heart can take it anymore.

I'm sure that your H IS capable of consideration and thoughtfulness.  He chooses not to for some reason.  Like most of us, I expect he is simply trying to take care of himself, but it doesn't sound like he does it in a healthy way.  He may even be using the verbal abuse to keep you far enough away for him to feel safe with the distance.  I believe this is the case in my marriage.  I suspect the minimal intimacy is either to meet his needs when it does actually feel safe enough for him, or to give just enough to keep you on the hook.

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I felt so sad for my kids yesterday.  They wanted me to have a good day - but I just couldn't fake it.  I look at them and it tears my heart out to think of divorce.  I don't want to hurt them.  I want to give them a firm foundation.  But, this marriage is so painful for me.  I'm really confused.  Then I wonder how much of this pain is still from my past and how much of it is me?  The problem is, I believe I've been carrying his responsiblity far too long - we've been married almost 17 years.  The problems haven't changed or gotten better.  In fact, now that I've been in recovery for a while, his behavior is starting to hurt more.

I really resonate with your last statement.  The more aware of the good possibilities we are, the more painful putting up with unhealthy situations is for us.  That the problems have not only not improved, but not even changed over this time is telling to me.  There are powerful reasons for things to remain as they are, unchanged despite the passage of time.  I think it will take even more powerful reasons to change this dynamic.  If you can't even fake being OK anymore despite wanting to, you are very depleted.  Don't beat yourself up about it.  Do what you need to do to get your very important needs met.

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I've worked really hard at my recovery and spiritual growth.  I've made some tough decisions to seperate from harmful family members.  I've tried to let what he is able to give me be enough; but unless he is able to begin taking ownership and practicing consideration - I may have to leave.
I struggle with this marriage far more than I let on.  He hit a bottom a few months ago due to some health issues that scared the crap out of him.  Since his health issues have been somewhat resolved, he's hardened back up.

chutzbagirl, this sounds very co-dependent to me.   (Believe me, I know, I am very coey!)  You seem to be giving him responsibility for fixing the situation for you.  If he does x then you will be OK.  What if he never chooses to do x, will you choose to never be OK?  You are responsible for your life, regardless of what your H does or doesn't do.  Take back your power and your responsibility and you will feel much more hopeful and capable.  Excercising that responsbility for yourself is difficult and even unpleasant at times, but the rewards of confidence and OK'ness are irreplaceable.

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I know the impact of divorce on children - mine are 7 and 10.  I strongly disagree with divorce.  I want nothing more than a healthy family.  But what do I do when I am blamed for his selfishness and lack of love?  I could cite many examples, but I don't want to bore you to tears.  One of us being in tears is enough - don't you think?   :roll:   Suffice it to say that my T, who sees both of us seperately, confirms that I have never known what it is like to receive emotional support from the significant people in my life - spouse included.   :cry:

You know the effect of divorce on your children.  Are you considering the effect of mom not being able to even fake being happy anymore on them?  As other wise ones here have written, sometimes its a choice between the lesser of two evils.  I don't advocate either leaving or staying, only doing what you need to do to love, nurture and care for yourself.  I suspect that an important part of that for you is getting emotional support from other people.  Getting it from your H would be ideal, but he may not be able to do that for you either on your timeline or ever.

chatzbagirl, I'm sorry if any of this sounds harsh.  Believe me, I want to help.  You will do what you need to do when you are ready for it, just like all of us.  I pray that time is soon so you can begin to feel happy again and smile genuinely.    (((((((((chutzbagirl)))))))
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« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2005, 06:14:13 PM »
((((Longtire))))

Thanks for your kind and thoughtful reply.  You didn't even come close to harsh.   :)

I know some parts of our stories are similar.  It was hard for me to read your thread.  I do think your spouse may be more difficult than mine - but that could be my codependency talking.  I am very good at minimizing.  

I am not functioning very well today.  Fortunately my little boy has a friend over and my girl is in a good place - hanging with the doggies and doing her homework.  I do my best to shield them from the adult stress.  But, I know I don't do it perfectly and that breaks my heart.  

 I am physically impacted - you know the loss of appetite, heavy heartedness, fogginess, etc...When I lose my appetite then it's really bad.  I love food!   :wink:

I guess this Mother's Day was the straw on the camel's back.  What makes it really tough for me is that I grieve being denied the blessing of actively loving my own Mother.  So, being neglected when I do my best feels like a slap on the face.  

I don't really think there is anything left for me to initiate at this time.  We have been in couple's counseling before.  I was less aware and much more co back then.  5 years of Al Anon and therapy has to be worth something right?  I am at the awareness and powerless place.  Just waiting for God to give me a clue as to what to do.  I like the slogan, "Dont just do something, sit there!"   :roll:

It's really up to my H.  I know I can't go on with this neglect, blame and lack of intimacy.  It is a slow death - in fact death seems like it would be better sometimes.    :(   No plans, but the thoughts do cross one's mind during times like this.  

I am willing to do what God wants whether that means braving singleness and a lowering of my standard of living for a while, or working through this painful marriage.  There needs to be a big shift - I need to stop being his diaper!   :P

Chutz   :?

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« Reply #14 on: May 09, 2005, 06:17:51 PM »
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My H blamed me for her frustrations.  See, that's the problem, being blamed and accused of not caring when in fact I care very deeply. My daughter does not have a problem with voicelessness, I have worked hard at recovery to give her a voice.  I have the problem with voicelessness.

Chutz


Sorry if what I wrote added to your distress, Chutz.  I misunderstood what was happening when your daughter was crying.

You are right, your H should not blame you for what is not within your power to change.  I am really sorry this happened.