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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2005, 10:41:20 PM »
Thanks StaceyLynn for updating us on your journey.

I'm happy about your choice and growth!

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I could rage and head in the direction of making my life's goal to "destroy my mother". Or...choose to be a bigger/better person, and have some sort of faith that there was a rason this all had to happen.

I chose the latter. (which is really a huge step for me). I have been in "full speed ahead" mode with learning more about my religion and striving to be better and do better. I must say....I feel the best I've EVER felt in my 32 years.


You were really brave to talk to your mom!!! Here is a big hug (((StaceyLynn))).  I am proud of you. I wish I could have told you earlier than now. I just started posting again today- hadn't posted since Dec. 31st. I had some rough times very early in January.

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My mother responded by saying, " Take as much time as you need. I'll be here whenever you're ready. Please know, that your father and I love you, and have always loved you. I feel so sad that you hold such anger towards us, and feel abused in some way. Noone has perfect parents. My parents did a lot of crazy things to me during childhood. The difference is...There comes a point in adulthood where you have to tell yourself, "My parents did the best they knew how. Nothing will change the past. Such is true with you Stacey. We loved you the best we knew how. We did the best we could. I'm sorry it wasn't good enough for you."
 

That last sentence of what your mom said really hit me hard. It made me angry. I hope you don't mind me saying this. From my perspective, my parents wanted me to be perfect and I wasn't good enough for them.

Perfect isn't even the standard....just decency is all a person wants, IMO.

And it is all about her...she feels "abused in some way"  arrgghh.

I hope you don't mind me sharing my reactions like this.

You did well to hold your composure. You did well to take the high road.

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We never had a good relationship to begin with, and now...I can never be disappointed again


Your quote above says it so well.  I wish you well on your journey to peace.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2005, 02:39:05 AM »
Stacey Lynn and others.
Hope my post made sense. I just think your mom has things backwards.

I am just too tired. Thankyou everyone for your support these last seven months.  Take care and don't let your Ns get to you.  They are rattle snakes without rattles - unnatural trouble makers full of poison not happy unless they are stirring things up and putting us down.

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2005, 07:15:46 AM »
Hi Stacey Lynn

Well done on your attitude towards your parents. I think in some ways letting go of the pain is the only way to truly move forward, but that is so much easier to say than do!

From what your mother said I just had a couple of little things that made me worry. The way she said that she was sorry it wasn't good enough for you seemed to me to be a way of turning it back on you, as if you were the one with the problem in all this. My ex bf does the same. "I will always love you more than you've ever been loved, I'm sorry that's not enough for you". It just made me think that she was doing the same kind of thing in not taking any responsibility for her actions. I'm not saying don't forgive her or anything, just that if she is N, she is unlikely to change of her own accord and all the things she did that made yo unhappy as a child are likely still to be there and ready to wound you again. Just be careful you don't get hurt again. Good luck with it all, take care.

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2005, 09:20:47 AM »
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I told her I needed more time. I explained the spectrum of emotions I experience daily when thinking about our relationship. I stated that I didn't know how much time it would take to come to peace with it all.


I think this is so important: to honor the fact you need more time. For many years, even after his death, I thought my Dad's real problem was alcoholism. In learning about NPD I am quite certain he suffered from this, too, and may be one reason I got so easily sucked in with my ex-N-fiance. It was familiar albeit dysfunctional and unhealthy.

At any rate, the alcoholism and, likely, NPD caused my Mom, siblings and me a lot of strife. Throughout the past five or six years, relationships with my sibs have gotten very complicated and downright negative. I have decided to take a break from all of this especially in light of what I was going through during the recent breakup with my ex-N.

Some days I chide myself for taking this time. But in reading your post, Stacey Lynn, I am reminded it's necessary so that real healing and growth can take place. In times past I've found myself people-pleasing then wondering why I've taken another fall after climbing out onto a limb prematurely.

As Cadbury wrote:
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"I will always love you more than you've ever been loved, I'm sorry that's not enough for you".


This is a trap and a no-win situation. In my experience, responding to a statement like this has been a case of taking the bait and then ending up with the conflict being my fault. And this isn't love. It smacks of power and control over another.

Flower:
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Warm regards and I think your search for the meaning of your painful experiences is a worthy search.
My sentiments exactly.

Best,

bludie
Best,

bludie

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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2005, 04:01:16 PM »
Some of the imagery on this thread is really useful.  One of the pictures was of our families living in a kind of soap opera, where we used to be an actor too, but somehow we found out that it is all make believe, and yet there they are, acting the part they have on  their script, and expecting us to believe it too.

I think the thing to remember is that they have chosen to believe that the soap opera is real.  They have just as much evidence as we have that their thinking is not good, and that they are missing the plot.  My own dad used to say to me when I was a child that if ever it came to a choice between backing up me and my brother, or backing my mum, he would always choose to back her up, even if he knew she was wrong.  And he did.  And still does.

That is his choice.  He chose to allow her to abuse all three of us in any way she liked.  He still allows her to abuse the grandchildren any way she likes.  

The one consolation in all this appalling scenario, is that of all the people who suffer, I honestly believe she suffers most.  Her behaviour comes from her very deep insecurity, and self loathing.  That is so deep she would never be able to see the bottom of it if ever she tried.  And so she spreads it around onto other people instead.  We once had a really bad row, several years ago, when she complained about my behaviour towards her.  She said; 'I am supposed to be your mother!'  (Interesting choice of words, don't you think?)  My reply was, 'Well, why don't you act like it, then!'  But she can't do it.  She wants the credit for being the Holy Mother, but she cannot begin to do the compassion, the empathy, the caring, the putting others before herself.  And she doesn't even know that there is a whole raft of things that mothers do that she doesn't even know exist.  

In her eyes I am heartless, cold, selfish, callous and unable to appreciate the martyr that she is.  Fine.  If that is what she chooses to think, then it is her loss.  My friends say I am compassionate, caring, generous, sensitive, spiritual, kind, funny.  My mother will never ever know who I am.  Who loses most by this?

I think what I am trying to say is that it is wrong to say these people get off scot free.  They have lost more than they can ever imagine.

I would rather be on the outside of the soap opera and able to see my own daughter as a growing and changing human being, with her own desires and ambitions, her own ideas which are  not the same as mine, than to have her as a kind of extension of my own personality, to manipulate as I wish, and to feed my own need for attention and adulation.

Just one last thing on the 'we did the best we could' line.  My dad uses this one too.  He says they did their best for me.  This is nonsense.  They did the minimum they could get away with, and they know it.  But by saying now that it was their best, what they are actually saying is that if they had it all to do again they would not change a thing.  It is a denial of the very worst kind.  Not only, we made mistakes, but we would do it again.

I have tried to do my best for my daughter since the day she was born.  But looking back, there are things I would change.  This is not to beat myself up, but to say, yes, there are things I got wrong, and that I would now, with hindsight, not do.  I did the best I could, but I did not get it all right.  Most of it.  But not all.  I made mistakes, but I would not do it again.

That is the difference between those living to a fantasy script, and those who have broken free.  We can - with hard work - learn from our mistakes.  they can only make them, over and over and over.