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Re: Understanding People
« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2016, 08:23:40 AM »
Sounds like, on balance, you had a very good day. I understand the clothes thing; completely. I've been going through it again, myself.
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2016, 11:38:53 AM »
Thanks, Skep, it was a good day, I'm finding I can sort of observe myself and how I feel in certain situations now rather than being so emotional about them that I just react, if that makes sense?

I have been a bit brave in my efforts to stop concerning myself with other people's feelings all the time.  One of the friends who forgot my son's birthday got in touch today, very apologetic that she forgot and wanting to come round.  We are both tired today and I'm not in the mood for company so I said it wasn't convenient and she apologised again for forgetting.  Usually I would feel obliged to smooth it out for her at this point and I did feel I wanted to do that but instead I have tried to be honest and said that no-one around here remembered but he had a nice day anyway because I took him out.  She texted back and said she felt really bad and usually I would try and smooth this over but I have just left it.  I don't want to intentionally make people feel bad and I appreciate the fact that she's apologised but I am still feeling a bit miffed about it and I am trying to stop being fake and covering my emotions up.  So I've not responded, I want to take some time to think about how I feel, whether or not I want to say anything more and just try not to leap in with the intention of making her feel better and swallowing my own feelings.

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Re: Understanding People
« Reply #32 on: March 07, 2016, 12:44:12 AM »
I have been thinking about the situation some more.  I had a text from my sister yesterday, not mentioning my son's birthday, she still hasn't realised she missed it, and a belated birthday message from another person who'd missed the day.

I've not responded, I just wanted some time to think about how I feel and what I want, and I think what I've realised is that this place and these people have served their purpose or come to the end of their shelf life or however is best to describe it, and it's time to move on.

We moved here after we'd had a terrible time with false abuse allegations and I'd ceased all contact with my family.  I can only see now looking back how utterly, utterly terrified I was and how I was running for cover.  This is the place I grew up and, even though it's where my mum lives, it felt like the safest place to be - I knew every nook and cranny, I knew all the people (virtually all the same people I knew as a child still live here), I knew if she was on my doorstep she'd find it harder to cause problems because she couldn't fabricate and create situations as easily with people who knew me well and I think there is a saying that sometimes the best place to hide is out in the open and that's how it felt to me at the time.  Added to that the landlord of my house is a friend of a friend, he rented the place to me cheaply without letting agents being involved and was happy to let me stay as long as I wanted to.  Prior to that we'd moved 7 times in six years so not having to think about moving again helped as well.

In my head I thought that something amazing would happen to balance out the terrible stuff that had gone on - I'd meet the man of my dreams, or my son's health problems would magically vanish, or he'd get compensation from the hospital.  I also had a thing in my head that someone around here would have some sort of proof of the sexual abuse - someone would have seen something, or heard something and be able to back me up or come to my rescue.  It transpired that virtually everyone had known about the abuse but no-one had done anything, which actually made it worse for quite a long time.  But anyway, as time's gone on none of those things has happened, but the amazing thing that has occurred is that I have healed, so much actually, and I realise I want a lot more from my friendships than I wanted eight years ago when I was so frightened and alone that I didn't really care who I spent time with or what I listened to them talking about or whether or not it was me that had to make all the effort to see them, I just wanted to have people around me and to convince myself that I was loved and I wasn't alone.  When we were homeless I didn't care where we lived, I just wanted somewhere, it didn't matter how big or what condition it was in or where it was, it was just better than the car.  I think I feel a bit like that about people now; I didn't care who, what or why, I just needed to feel like someone cared, however messed up it might be, but now, just as I'm looking for somewhere nice to live and I'm thinking about location and whether or not it has a nice feel to it, so I feel that I want different people around me and I don't want these people anymore.

I'm feeling a bit guilty because I feel like I used them.  I'm going to work on that a bit because I think it's a bit misplaced.  But I think it's time for me to stop feeling miffy that people don't do what I want them to do (!), draw a line under it and move forward.

Thanks for reading all my waffle :) x

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« Reply #33 on: March 07, 2016, 06:54:38 AM »
Today has been a bit of a revelation for me, I have actually started being honest and stating my feelings and I can't believe how differently that makes me feel!

My sister rang early this morning; I ignored the call, still feeling that I didn't want to speak to her until I had a better understanding in my own head.  I was also aware that I was feeling angry that she's done so little with my son for so many years now and I don't want to react in anger and say things that are hurtful and that I might regret later so I ignored the call.  Shortly after that she sent me a text, apologising for forgetting his birthday 'for the first time', asking me to forgive her and to tell him happy birthday from her.  That made me feel really angry!  I felt she was somehow saying 'it's only this once' (which it isn't, she's been late for his birthday loads of other times), the forgiveness is about her and me saying 'yes it's fine, just ignore him, it's not a problem' and telling him happy birthday, well, it isn't his birthday now, it was two days ago, he has learning difficulties so me saying 'Happy Birthday' to him two days after the event just confuses him and as she's his aunt she should bloody well know that.  So, I took a deep breath and texted back that no-one remembered and that I was sick of people not bothering with him so I felt it best that she left me alone for a while.

Soon after I started to feel guilty as I know she'll be in bits now, she'll be crying and worrying herself over it but I feel like a neglected dog sometimes, every now and again someone just checks we're still breathing and then they disappear again for months.  And I do know I am right about this; she should make a lot more effort than she does and if she doesn't want to that's fine but I'm not going to give her an easy pass on it and give her my permission to treat him like that.  So ......... the guilt passed, I got on with clearing out the wardrobe (making space for more new clothes), I've written to the hospital about the mistakes in their letter and asked for them to be corrected, done the laundry and done some school work with my son - and for the first time ever I feel like I've passed the problem back to the person who should be dealing with it instead of dealing with it for them and smoothing it all over.

Interestingly I've been reading a self help book about dealing with 'vampires', anything or anyone that drains you or gets you down, and one of the things recommended in that is that you don't make excuses when you try to distance yourself from people, you say "I don't want to".  And I think now if any of them get in touch over the next few days I am going to say I just don't want to at the minute.  I'm not going to put a brave face on it or cover it over, I'm going to try and be real and let them deal with how that makes them feel - not to be vindictive but I've got enough on my plate without dealing with other people's feelings and emotions.

I do feel very clear headed about it all, usually this would be weighing me down a bit but by saying what I felt I feel like I've really got a burden off my chest and it feels very nice :)

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Re: Understanding People
« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2016, 07:19:56 PM »
Hi Tupps,

I meant to post to you yesterday about your new attitude:
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I have been a bit brave in my efforts to stop concerning myself with other people's feelings all the time.

So I've not responded, I want to take some time to think about how I feel, whether or not I want to say anything more and just try not to leap in with the intention of making her feel better and swallowing my own feelings.

Then, I see today's posts:
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I've not responded, I just wanted some time to think about how I feel and what I want, and I think what I've realised is that this place and these people have served their purpose or come to the end of their shelf life or however is best to describe it, and it's time to move on.

Today has been a bit of a revelation for me, I have actually started being honest and stating my feelings and I can't believe how differently that makes me feel!

My sister rang early this morning; I ignored the call, still feeling that I didn't want to speak to her until I had a better understanding in my own head.

And I think now if any of them get in touch over the next few days I am going to say I just don't want to at the minute.  I'm not going to put a brave face on it or cover it over, I'm going to try and be real and let them deal with how that makes them feel - not to be vindictive but I've got enough on my plate without dealing with other people's feelings and emotions.

I do feel very clear headed about it all, usually this would be weighing me down a bit but by saying what I felt I feel like I've really got a burden off my chest and it feels very nice

Awesome, Tupps!!!  YAY!  Congrats!!!

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Re: Understanding People
« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2016, 08:33:34 PM »
What Ann said!
Mega dittoes!

YAY, TUPP!

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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2016, 11:27:02 PM »
Yaaaaay Yay, Tupp!

I'm so channeling your energy right now! Yay for you, and for me. 

I also get what you said about your clothing choices.  And you know what? I think I'm just really really comfy in the old soft clothes without shape, that I can work in, and not care too much about if I get paint on them or they get ripped. 

I think a bit about style, but it's more abstract.  I might start buying new bright clothes, but I don't have much desire right now, and what desire I do have is pretty fleeting. 

You keep it up.... I enjoy living vicariously through your wardrobe purchases.

About the letter from the hospital.  At some point you notice when you don't have the tremendous chemical dump triggered by things that usually throw you into turmoil.  You notice you're steadier.  You notice something changed.  I've experienced that too.  I'm thinking its a good thing: )

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« Reply #37 on: March 08, 2016, 12:32:52 AM »
Hi Tupps,

I meant to post to you yesterday about your new attitude:
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I have been a bit brave in my efforts to stop concerning myself with other people's feelings all the time.

So I've not responded, I want to take some time to think about how I feel, whether or not I want to say anything more and just try not to leap in with the intention of making her feel better and swallowing my own feelings.

Then, I see today's posts:
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I've not responded, I just wanted some time to think about how I feel and what I want, and I think what I've realised is that this place and these people have served their purpose or come to the end of their shelf life or however is best to describe it, and it's time to move on.

Today has been a bit of a revelation for me, I have actually started being honest and stating my feelings and I can't believe how differently that makes me feel!

My sister rang early this morning; I ignored the call, still feeling that I didn't want to speak to her until I had a better understanding in my own head.

And I think now if any of them get in touch over the next few days I am going to say I just don't want to at the minute.  I'm not going to put a brave face on it or cover it over, I'm going to try and be real and let them deal with how that makes them feel - not to be vindictive but I've got enough on my plate without dealing with other people's feelings and emotions.

I do feel very clear headed about it all, usually this would be weighing me down a bit but by saying what I felt I feel like I've really got a burden off my chest and it feels very nice

Awesome, Tupps!!!  YAY!  Congrats!!!

Ha ha, thanks Ann, it did feel good, I should have done this years ago!  Feel tired today, I think there's been a bit too much excitement over the last few days!  We've got a fairly quiet week this week and I've ordered a book about eating for energy; I really need to clean up my diet and I'm struggling a bit so I'm hoping this will help :)

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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2016, 12:42:08 AM »
Yaaaaay Yay, Tupp!

I'm so channeling your energy right now! Yay for you, and for me. 

I also get what you said about your clothing choices.  And you know what? I think I'm just really really comfy in the old soft clothes without shape, that I can work in, and not care too much about if I get paint on them or they get ripped. 

I think a bit about style, but it's more abstract.  I might start buying new bright clothes, but I don't have much desire right now, and what desire I do have is pretty fleeting. 

You keep it up.... I enjoy living vicariously through your wardrobe purchases.

About the letter from the hospital.  At some point you notice when you don't have the tremendous chemical dump triggered by things that usually throw you into turmoil.  You notice you're steadier.  You notice something changed.  I've experienced that too.  I'm thinking its a good thing: )

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Thanks Lighter, yes, completely see what you mean about clothes, for years our lives have been very practical, lots of paint and glue and being out in the woods and searching for bits of Lego in odd places so comfort and alright to ruin stuff definitely the order of the day.  Will be hanging on to some of those clothes as still necessary but I do feel like I want a second wardrobe now, one where I can dress up and be Tup rather than mum.

Re the letter, my reaction was definitely so much less than it would have been even six months ago.  I drafted the request to have the errors amended at the weekend and then sat down yesterday to finish it off and already it feels more like someone has just phrased something badly and made assumptions when they should have checked facts.  I think people who've not been falsely accused don't realise how much power words can have and how throw away comments and poorly worded prose can be used in such a negative way by someone with malign intentions.  But yes, there's definitely been a shift there, it just doesn't all feel as personal anymore?

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Re: Understanding People
« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2016, 12:45:23 AM »
What Ann said!
Mega dittoes!

YAY, TUPP!

 :D :D :D :D :D

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Thanks, Hops!  It's funny how little things can make such a difference :) x

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« Reply #40 on: March 08, 2016, 11:03:00 PM »
Yes.  One good friend is worth everything.  It is definitely not the numbers.

And those deepest wounds from our parents, especially our mothers, mold us and shape us.  I think almost everyday how I long to turn to my mother, get her advice, put my head in her lap, receive nurturing, kindness, encouragement but it is such a crazy, crazy fantasy because she never did that when she was alive. So I don't just miss it because she is dead. I long for that love because I am a human being.  That is my grief but everyday I do try to pour that love into my child and that is such a gift.

I know that feeling of being invisible. It still haunts me in my dreams.

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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2016, 01:44:06 AM »
Yes.  One good friend is worth everything.  It is definitely not the numbers.

And those deepest wounds from our parents, especially our mothers, mold us and shape us.  I think almost everyday how I long to turn to my mother, get her advice, put my head in her lap, receive nurturing, kindness, encouragement but it is such a crazy, crazy fantasy because she never did that when she was alive. So I don't just miss it because she is dead. I long for that love because I am a human being.  That is my grief but everyday I do try to pour that love into my child and that is such a gift.

I know that feeling of being invisible. It still haunts me in my dreams.

Oh I know that feeling, GS, that gap where the love was never there and that longing for it is sooooooo so big.  My mum's advice was always so awful!  I never knew until I got a lot older and gained my own experience but her whole view of the world is really warped and as such, all the things she recommends you do are really off key as well.  She's not learnt anything from her life, is the way I see it - head in the sand, her own view, nothing else touches it and as a result she's in her seventies and she's literally no wisdom to pass on.

It does give me great comfort to look at my son and to see that he is so much more confident, relaxed and sure of himself than I ever was at that age.  I've kept him safe, too, and I'm so proud of that.  I was so scared that history would repeat itself and he'd be abused like I was but that hasn't happened and now that he's older I feel like I can relax a little bit.  We can mother our kids in a way we were never mothered and I don't know about you but I've found that very healing? x