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Dawning

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« on: December 07, 2004, 06:17:54 AM »
Hi everybody.  So much has happened this year.  I am so grateful for the support I've gotten on this board and that support has helped me through some difficult times.  And now...Christmas.

Since about 10-12 years ago, I've been getting strange *gifts* from my N mother and grandmother.  Gifts that are actually things from my childhood or old photos of my grandmother in her younger days or me when I was younger.  I say they are strange b/c they make feel strange....like their shadow is getting closer and closer.  And gawd forbid that I should ever, ever, tell them that I do not want these things; that I am not the repository for their memories.  So I have these two huge boxes sitting in my flat unopened and, frankly, I don't want to open them but, if I do not...if I do not thank them for their consideration....they will torment me with guilt, etc.  I am actually afraid to open these boxes without support.

Would anyone mind if I shared my feelings on this baord as I open each box when I am ready and centered?  It would really help alot.  And vice-versa if anyone else is in a similar situation.

Thanks and Happy December.   :?
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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2004, 06:55:27 AM »
Hiya Dawning! Someone else here was getting these type of 'gifts', sorry, can't remember who it was now. So you're not alone in receiving this stuff - old photos etc. I don't think anyone would mind if you share here. Well I wouldn't. How do you feel about opening them? Are you a bit curious as to what they are? (I'm curious...but then as always :roll: ) Whenever Dawning, I think it's a good idea of yours to be here too. Portia

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2004, 07:35:42 AM »
I’ve come back Dawning because I’m intrigued now. I wonder what they were thinking when they started to send you this stuff? Was there some event (as they perceived it) 10-12 years ago? I’m wondering if you made some physical move away then, and this is their way of trying to ‘hold on’ to you. To make you feel guilty for not being near them maybe? Just pondering here.

I find it strange that people send this stuff as gifts. They aren’t gifts. They’re some sort of manipulative message – although whatever the message they intend to send you, I’m not sure you receive it as they wish? Have you ever discussed this stuff with them, or have they ever mentioned why they’re sending it?

I like your take that you are a ‘repository for their memories’. Are they saying ‘we’re getting old now and you should visit, take care of us, give us our supply’? It’s beyond me. It seems so coldly manipulative in some ways. And yet because of that, they can’t be sure of your reaction can they? They don’t know you’re not going to just think ‘huh?’ and throw the stuff in the trash. Maybe they don’t give a toss about their own memories?

Whatever is in those boxes, it’s just stuff. It isn’t alive (I hope!) and it can’t hurt you unless you let it. You can imagine what it might be: old toys, photos, maybe school books? You can decide whether any of it means anything good or important to you. You’re in control, these things are in your possession now. And no-one knows what your reactions will be, particularly not the senders. They are not in control of how you feel. Can you open the boxes thinking ‘how is this intended to manipulate me?’.

But none of this means you have to be grateful. If you don’t want this stuff, or if it upsets you, you don’t have to say ‘thank you’. You can say, ‘I don’t want this stuff. If you want it kept, I’ll send it back to you. Let me know within two weeks, otherwise it’s going in the trash’. I know it’s not that simple, but sometimes it can be good just to say the alternatives and fantasise about doing them...

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« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2004, 10:17:31 AM »
Dawning,

My mother once shipped me a box of my childhood stuff with no note or letter. This wasn't a Christmas gift; I assumed she was disowning me and didn't want memories of me. So I know it's traumatic to receive creepy, dead items from the past. Especially when the sender is obviously acting out by sending it.

I have a few ideas:

(1) Ask someone else to open the boxes for you and tell you in general what's in there.

(2) Don't open the boxes but send a generic "thank you" to your relatives. If they guilt trip you about not being specific, don't let them. There are ways to block it.

(3) Open the boxes and share with us so we can help you through it (your idea and a good one).

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« Reply #4 on: December 07, 2004, 07:20:07 PM »
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Would anyone mind if I shared my feelings on this baord as I open each box when I am ready and centered?


Dawning-- This is just what the board is for- support in dealing with what N's bring into our emotional lives...    I'm with you all the way.   I hope it all goes fairly well, and that nothing you receive is too upsetting.  

BT

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« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2004, 09:07:33 PM »
Hi Dawning,

I can relate with your hesitancy to open the boxes. I found that at times it helped me to have someone else open things for me and mentally prepare me before I looked.

 I support your idea of opening the boxes "online".

(((Dawning)))

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« Reply #6 on: December 08, 2004, 07:27:47 AM »
Hi and THANK YOU for being here for me.  Those boxes are still sitting in my hallway and just knowing that I can share whatever weird comes out of them - or the feelings they stir - helps so much.  At the moment, I have gone and taken on too much work and too many deadlines.  I know my life is going somewhere and I'm feeling positive....but those damn boxes.  Okay, I'll shut up  :P  and answer some of those questions and open one of them up this weekend.  

Actually, I do have some friends here and we support each other in our various ways but those of them who would possibly understand are as busy as I am and most wouldn't understand, I am fairly certain, of what it is like to be in this situation.  Thanks for *your* understanding.  So glad to have found you all.

Have a good hump day!

Love,
Dawning
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« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2004, 07:39:28 AM »
Thank you for being here too :D

Do you know what 'hump' is slang for over here? You gave me a bit of a giggle  :o  :oops:  :wink:

take care (((Dawning)))

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« Reply #8 on: December 08, 2004, 07:59:47 AM »
I think I know you mean, P.  HAHAHA.  Glad I made ya laugh.

Geez, I hope I don't get anything alluding to *that* in one of those boxes.  My mother gave me ONE shot glass and a bottle of tequila for my birthday about 8 years ago.  Last year, I got my baton (I was a terrible baton twirler) and - over the years - I've gotten so many damn photos of my mother (from my grandmother) when she was *a bride* and heaps upon heaps of photos of me when I was 21 and under.  Gee, kinda makes me feel they don't want 'em (ie, me) anymore.   Well, maybe I am making a mountain out of a molehill here but one of the boxes does have *photographs* written on the customs form.   :(

Really, I am going to try and look on the bright side of this but I do feel like they want me to be the drop-off box for their memories.  What's up with that?  Any insights?
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« Reply #9 on: December 08, 2004, 11:05:16 AM »
Hiya Dawning. I’ve been pondering the photos. All I can come up with is: pics of mother as bride = they want you to be a bride too. Pics of you as young = they want you to think of children? Or, “you’re not getting any younger”?

I just get the idea that they want more supply in the form of you get married, have kids and then they’ll be back in your picture (they think – har har :roll: ). Very simplistic. But then my mother is manipulative in a very simplistic way, so that’s what I would see.

These photos they send, I think they’re intended to make you think about mother and grandmother. I don’t think the photos are intended to ‘upset’ you as such, they want a reaction which brings you back to them. Kind of “look, you are part of our family and we want you back in it”. Trying on a guilt-trip? It is all about them. And I think they do ‘want’ you, but not in a good way. If they didn’t want you, they wouldn’t bother sending anything?

Do they send notes with the stuff? Do they ever refer to the stuff they send? I’m wondering if they will chase you up if you don’t say thank you, or let them know the boxes arrived. Oh this is icky stuff Dawning. So difficult trying to work out what peoples’ intentions are - especially when they don’t know themselves… take care P

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« Reply #10 on: December 08, 2004, 12:43:49 PM »
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Really, I am going to try and look on the bright side of this but I do feel like they want me to be the drop-off box for their memories.  What's up with that?  Any insights?


Off the top of my head:

--- They don't have room for this stuff and want you to store it.

--- They feel it's time for you to 'inherit' this stuff and carry on the family myth, whatever it is.

--- They're trying to make you feel guilty and creeped out.

--- They are using you as a container for the family history, as they have probably used you as a container for other purposes in the past.

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« Reply #11 on: December 14, 2004, 06:58:43 PM »
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Hiya Dawning. I’ve been pondering the photos. All I can come up with is: pics of mother as bride = they want you to be a bride too. Pics of you as young = they want you to think of children? Or, “you’re not getting any younger”?

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I just get the idea that they want more supply in the form of you get married, have kids and then they’ll be back in your picture (they think – har har  ). Very simplistic. But then my mother is manipulative in a very simplistic way, so that’s what I would see.


(Hmm.. Thanks for the brainstorm, P.  I posted a response but it got disappeared so I shall re-write it below.  I also read Mr T's response as well and appreciate it.  Good to hear from you and I am sorry your response is not up now).  

Yes, about the above, P.  I don't think it has to do with marriage/kids.  My mother has been telling me since I became sexually mature - and continues to tell me - not to have children.  She doesn't even seem interested now.  And, after her last tirade on the subject, I don't even bring up *children* anymore.  Sad.  She also never, ever asks if I am seeing anyone.  However, in her b/day present to me there were balloons, a little toy car and a cute little stuffed animal - toys basically.

The photographs...I've no idea.  I haven't opened either box yet.  

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Off the top of my head:

--- They don't have room for this stuff and want you to store it.

--- They feel it's time for you to 'inherit' this stuff and carry on the family myth, whatever it is.

--- They're trying to make you feel guilty and creeped out.

--- They are using you as a container for the family history, as they have probably used you as a container for other purposes in the past.


Thank you for putting it into words and for the validation.   :)   They are a creepy bunch, that's for sure.   :x  

Thanks for the support on this thread.  Its such a comfort.  

Love,
Dawning.
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« Reply #12 on: December 14, 2004, 08:50:21 PM »
This is an old post of mine, but I thought I'd add it here, because it is my experience with a box of old photos :


I opened and kept a package that NMom gave me a few years ago.  She said she was cleaning out stuff she didn't want, and gave me a box of old photos.  I opened it when I got home and it was a box of old photos of ME!  I couldn't believe my eyes, because I had never seen any of them before, and if I had just tossed the box, I would have missed out on something very precious.  After I recovered from the initial shock of realizing what she was throwing away, realizing what she did not want, I took those precious old photos of her unloved child and made a collage of them, and have it hanging in our bedroom.  When I see my little baby face, I think  "What's not to love?!!  Only a crazy person wouldn't love that cute little girl!"  Now, I am learning to love that innocent little child.  That, in itself, has been very healing for me, and I thought I'd pass my experience on, in hopes that it will help....
~ OnlyMe

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« Reply #13 on: December 14, 2004, 09:30:45 PM »
try getting dirty movies for Christmas.  I was so upset inside that it really has screwed me up inside about gifts.  It made me feel worthless because Christmas is supposed to be a time where you share your love for each other.  The year before I got playboy mugs.  I wish I understood these gifts and why they were purchased.  I dont subscribe and I never asked for any such thing.  Merry Christmas.

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« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2004, 07:54:55 AM »
so  :D Dawning, how are you? Boxes still unopened?