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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #420 on: December 10, 2020, 10:36:45 PM »
This is beautiful, Lighter:

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I realize....I have energy and the will to do this work.  It's bringing us closer....esp little brother.  Lots of processing taking place.  Getting to know each other...moving past old ideas of who we were to each other.

I'm feeling solid IN my body...at home.  Calm.  Safe.  Reactivity happens but it's easier to see and deal with.

I'm happy.

So glad to read it.
And I hope my temporary slowdown isn't contagious.
I still NEEEEEED and LOOOOOOOVE this Board and all within it.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #421 on: December 12, 2020, 01:34:48 PM »
Hops:

You do what you need to do....self care is good and right to prioritize.

It's ok. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #422 on: December 12, 2020, 01:43:52 PM »
Reading your post about the work on the house, Lighter, options for the beach house, girls now women with their own lives, options, futures ahead of them - it feels like the work on you has coincided with them not needing you around so much and then tied in with the settling up of these estates/past lives/ family ties and so on.  It just reads like it's all kind of happened in the right way at the right time and in the right order?  It's lovely to read of you being in your own motion, trusting yourself, building better relationships with siblings and letting go of old habits and patterns, whilst watching girls spread their wings and flourish.  Wow.  What an amazing time and so lovely to read that so much is going on xx

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #423 on: December 14, 2020, 08:13:29 AM »
Well, Hops....
I wonder how much IS being needed less NY children and making decisions on properties.  The island cottage is going on the market....
::shudder::
What fresh hell that will be.  Bahamas not user friendly.  Not at all.

I think it's less stress in me brain pan....at least likely. 

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #424 on: December 14, 2020, 09:27:47 AM »
Here's to less stress and no more shuddering, Lighter.
Hope it goes smoothly...or at least goes. Goes!

I love this line, Tupp, borrowing it:

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being in your own motion

(Assonance makes everything better.)

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #425 on: December 18, 2020, 03:22:02 PM »
I feel hung over from 3 days dealings a likely meth addict.  Tedious, boring work, but the first carpet cleaner stood me up 3 times.  My expectation to get house ready for Christmas got the better of me.

The bright spot is, I found 2 hard workers through the meth addict.  They clean the way I do. 

To clarify....I called a reputable company with good reviews.  The meth addict DD is answering her debilitated father's phone (owner operator who built the company for 35 years.) A catastrophic stroke put him in unexpected early retirement.  DD is opportunistic, with zero ability.  Really sad, truthfully, bc the older DD could run that business, but family punishing her being
gay.

Farm house coming along beautifully.  Furniture ready to be placed.  Brother has two new mattress boxsprings figured out.  So glad about that.

I've been wrapping little faux pine tree bases in burlap with old pillow stuffing....updated, very charming, imo.

Oldest DD has a baby grand piano at the farm.  I had it serviced and mostly it's in fine shape.  There was kid stuff keeping some hammers from striking, so better news than suspected.

If I can install 1 new toilet, paint 8 rooms, decorate for Christmas, place furniture and edit house another 5 or so hours....Ill be laughing; )

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #426 on: December 20, 2020, 08:16:41 AM »
It sounds like it's coming together, Lighter, albeit with a lot of hard work and dealing with many things along the way!  I'm sure it will be amazing once it's all finished.  Are you spending Christmas there or back at home again? xx

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« Reply #427 on: December 20, 2020, 12:22:34 PM »
Christmas at home with my girls, Tupp.  Quiet.  Shopping for a little tree with youngest DD today.

Will travel to lake on 26th and bring the tree with.  Maybe find space and time to bake cookies and make caramels.  Not sure when, but it'll happen in its to.e.

Everything flowing lately.  I stopped fighting and just gave in to trusting.  When anxiety pops up, I put it back down and know I'll make the right choice if I honor myself.  I'm decluttering like crazy, cleaning, keeping things I love.  Will be harder to go through 3 generations of photos and things, but that's coming up.

It's a dance when other people are involved, I will say that.  Honoring myself, and skipping reactivity when dealing with otherss.  Honestly, it's exhilarating if I'm being honest.  Like I popped up above the clouds....or at the surface of the ocean, but UP above old patterns and habits.....they dropped away, are dropping away.

Really good stuff. 

Lighter
P.S.  Good music, black bag for throw a ways, clear bags for keepers....Im cleaning, editing and dancing in the zone, ladies!

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #428 on: December 20, 2020, 01:50:59 PM »
Aw, it sounds lovely, LIghter.  I'm really glad you can still stay in the zone even while dealing with memories and the logistics of these big projects.  Quiet Christmases are awesome :)  Giving in to trust is amazing when it's been so hard (dangerous) to trust for so long.  I'm keeping fingers crossed that 2021 is going to be amazing for you :) xx

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #429 on: January 01, 2021, 11:12:07 PM »
My sister invited Ohio cousins for Christmas.

Sister always invites them.

They came once, but always say NO since.

THIS year one cousin said yes, but no one thought they'd really show.

4 hours into their road trip they texted.

My youngest had a near panic attack, bc she was already struggling with Christmas gathering with my brother, sister and their families, but she made peace with those risks....no one wearing masks, not everyone tested.  Depending on the time of day I'm more or less concerned about the risks and real fear.

Long story short, DD needed Ohio cousins to go back home, and they did.  Their dd's mental health is a concern.....my youngest really struggles with Covid concerns and isolation, online learning, etc.  My cousin understood....I think her husband felt otherwise, which I get.  Of course, I do.  It was terrible.

My sister sent a text and I talked to cousin a minute later.  Cousin's husband texted my brother and brother verbally came at me in an angry way.  I asked him not to talk to me like that.

My brother walked out on Christmas the next morning, too upset to speak.  When I was figuring out meal plans and shopping, brother texted very upset...he was unable to be near me, my youngest DD or my sister. 

He texted I didn't know what I'd done, which was a reference to what he believes is my purposely raising dems. 

What I actually did was raise daughters capable of critical thinking, but what's really hurtful is my brother's disgust and refusal to hear my dds fear and voice.

It's, for brother, all tied into China and the dems unleashing the virus to stop Trump being elected, AND the election was stole, AND the truth will come out.

It's politics for him, and he's taken my dd's fear and turned it into a political statement, which it is not for her.

Brother said my DD and I should have left, so cousin could come, but my sister is staying after Christmas with me.....she would have had to go, and her DD and husband would have left too.....so my cousin could come.  Cousin had Covid, lots of people and friends have Covid now....it made no sense to me.

Still, my brother so upset.....
So upset....
His kids didn't get to see my niece, who drive in from Florida after taking a Covid test, or my oldest DD, who did nothing to him, or my BIL, who flew in from Canada....innicent btstanders in this.

So upset....seeing my face/youngestdd's face or my sister's, bc she texted didn't call my cousin, he boycotted Christmas and took his children with him.  No homemade pies and games with cousins.  No big traditional  turkey feast and cookie decorating.  All the " kids" are 18 or older, but still.....theres been so much trauma in all their lives....having a family Christmas in Granpa's clean lake house seemed so very important to me.

It feels like brother wanted to upset the innocents as much as punish and avoid the guilty parties.....feels like.

This was what my ASPD h would have labeled expanding his campaign of terrorism....involving the " innocents."

I'm not saying my brother did that on purpose.  I'm saying it feels familiar and my cousin and her husband are now triplemortified our family is fighting.  And we aren't really fighting.  It's texts....and unsaid " what I've done" that I'm not aware of......politics.

I'm doubly sad bc brother worked very hard, along with me, to get our father's house clean and ready for this joyful gathering.

And there was not.  I'm not even sure my BIL understands my brother is boycotting the family gathering....we cook, play games, chat, dance, watch old family movies and do our best to stay in the moment. But...there was supposed to be a big bonfire with my brother...fried turkey...more hunting for the boys....and my brother's presence, and that if his kids, is sometimes impossible to.....not notice.

And what does it mean?  Is he going NC for good? 

And...what would that mean?

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #430 on: January 01, 2021, 11:24:09 PM »
One of the things I've noticed.....is I'm really present with my girls when I'm with them in recent months.

I realize I'm taking my own advice to other single parents fending off rekentless PD attacks and violations through the years.  Learning that relaxing leads to terror and catching up in the PD game we have to play....while people around us wonder why we're so preoccupied and paranoid...we're simply standing watch, keeping guard....trying to make our children and selves, safe.

That's very sad for me, but what it was....is no longer.

Now, being present with my girls is what it was in 2005...safe and all I see when I'm with them.  All I feel.

The hyperawareness left in T sessions....filed away.  Finished.

And so.....life is....gratitude.  Lots of gratitude. And the ability to see things I lost sight of.

Like getting my peripheral vision back, it's just here.  I didn't notice how empty those spaces were bc my nose was against the glass.  A little distance provides perspective, but there's no regret at the loss...
Only gratitude for what I have now.

This us new....the absence of regret and anger, which is really sadness.

I'm not saying my nervous system is bullet proof now.  I'm saying it's able to identify reactivity and deal with it more quickly as I practice.

I'm saying I'm doing a lot of practicing lately.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #431 on: January 02, 2021, 05:24:55 AM »
I'm so sorry, Lighter, that all of that blew up and the lovely Christmas planning didn't go as well as was hoped.  I'm hoping that, given time, everyone calms down a bit and can start to see the others' point of view more.  No right or wrong, just people, stressed and anxious, for different reasons, at the end of a year that I think most have found to be challenging, to say the least.  I think unfortunately it's one of those times where going with the flow just doesn't work for everyone and possibly a bit of time and space for everyone now is what's needed.  Hopefully over time everyone will calm down a bit and conversations can be had (or not, depending on how it goes!).  And things will settle into place again.  I hope you were able to have a bit of a nice time even with all of that going on xx

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« Reply #432 on: January 02, 2021, 09:55:07 AM »
We had a nice time, Tupp.  I think the hardest moments were the afternoon and evening brother shared his plan to pull himself and family out of Christmas.  Once the shock wire off...the damage to Ohio cousin, oldest DD and BIL, who traveled here to have Christmas with us even as his mother struggles with Alzheimer's.....was the difficult part.....for me. 

The codependence stuff....wanting everyone to be ok, even as brother, who should care about those things too...about giving his grown children some normalcy, as much as they can have....normalcy.  His DD has been directed to hate and punish brother's gf....her mother's ongoing mission in the family, despite her own happiness and apparent joyful relationship with a man who lives her. 

Feelings aren't right or wrong....
I get that....they just are.

It's how adult parents choose to execute their feelings....when they impact children.  All our kids are used to it, frankly.  Grew up with it. Suffered it.

I really thought we'd give them pure unselfish joy this year.  Comfort food.  Laughter. 

Nope.  Why shouldn't this year be normal and besmirched?  Expectations and acceptance all swirled up.  I've released expectation and simplified my thoughts.  I feel better now, but oldest DD feels robbed and betrayed, which might be my brother's intention.  Maybe not.  I see the wounded child in him too....I feel the sting and disorienting oppression of a man's punishment of women they can't control too. 

Oldest DD disagrees with brother's opinion I've installed democratic political views.  She feels something was uninstalled in children raised to hold political beliefs of their parents.....critical thinking skills.

And I'll never punish people for their truth, even as I shield myself.  Punishments never made sense in a family.  No matter how bad things get....the innocents shouldn't be pawns, or injured.  My girls lost so much....a father, grandfather, aunts, uncles and cousins....simetimes on both sides.  My brother's wife withheld niece and nephew when I corrected my niece on something SIL installed in her head and sent her for a visit...mit was to do with my brother and earning power and then SIL was making empty legal threats via texts, bc her DD shared what so said, very confused.  The threat to keep niece and nephew from us was carried out, however.  Very unnerving. Super SIL's way if navigating her world, but not my brother's.

So....is he aware?  Is that what he intended?  Does the family have to choose between us?  My father was all about forcing those kinds of choices.  My mother had a bit of that.....mostly for self protection, but a bit punitive also.

I just thought we could do something else.  I thought we were smarter than that.

It's pricessing like another death, for me.  Brother is smart, but wounded from years of marriage to likely BLPD wife....fleas?

One last thing....my sister and I try to include the Ohio cousins.  We invite, plan and attend the functions.  I don't understand my brother forcing a " choice" between cousins abd his sisters.  Feelings, I know.  Just what they are.

Ohio cousins are ok.  Will stay connected, no matter....after Covid will come together again.

His choices are baffling, punitive, seemingly intended to harm in ripples....I can't imagine he's wholly unaware, though he's been rather cryptic about intentions....outside avoiding just me, my sister and youngest DD as his only intention.

I'm not talking about this much in the family, bc....lots if mommy spirit business with my sister.  Just keeping up with cooking and cleaning....cookies and turkey dinner, with all the toxins, are next.

I realize there's joy in this ritual.....nit just codependent mindless DOING.  I'm creating and experiencing joy in my moments.

I'm breathing my way clear, over and over.

My moss is beautiful and vivid green after the snow and teen temps.

I have a bath poured.  More editing and organizing at home, before returning to lake with oldest DD.

Even if it's not ok...it's ok.  Where there's pain...is there always growth?  I think I'm raising Amazon's, even if my intentions and actions were to shield and protect...the reality has been....I couldn't and they weren't.

This is another deep wounding....familial.  Not yet scathing, but maybe in time, it will be.

I think I might vomit if my BIL realizes what's really going on.  My brother asking him to choose him or his wife and daughter seems...so....what would that be, to my brother? What does he think this means to his children, who have very limited extended family contact, as is.

I have to stop....
 SOOOPHing engagement commencing.

Where does extending empathy and seeing from other people's pov become unpriductive?  When we neeeed a certain outcome.

::Releasing expectation::

Turning back to the joy in front of me.

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #433 on: January 02, 2021, 11:09:45 AM »
I'm so sorry it went that way, Lighter. It sounds as though you have a clear view of the inherited, punitive pattern. If only understanding the origins of dysfunction meant we could prevent or reverse it in others.

So you can only find peace within yourself, while accepting what's out of your control. It sounds as though you're doing the right things to re-anchor that peace.

But having a family blowup, so soon after you'd been cooperating with your brother so happily on the big lake property plans....must make it extra painful.

I've almost reached the point where I never want to fantasize about anything at all.

I hope this corrects quickly but even if it doesn't, will quote a sage for you:
"It's okay, even when it's not okay."

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Re: Mindfulness and codependence thread
« Reply #434 on: January 02, 2021, 11:27:13 AM »
Thanks, Hops.  I hope it's a bobble and not a permanent rift too.

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