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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #360 on: October 10, 2020, 10:28:33 AM »
Yup yup yup.  Books and working with son, sans the hustle and bustle if schedules and commitments. 

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« Reply #361 on: October 10, 2020, 11:14:52 AM »
YES to six months in a fantasy world!
I think that's absolutely the sanest approach right now.

Neither testing nor treatments are adequate for dropping one's guard, imo.

It's really stunning how much denial still flourishes...it's a different sort of virus but equally contagious, it appears.

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« Reply #362 on: October 10, 2020, 11:48:31 AM »
Nodding to both :)  Yep, I was talking to my sister this morning and saying to her that, bizarrely, we are in poll position for once.  We're both used to staying home because of son's health problems, I haven't had a social life or work outside the house for years so that's normal, we've no family that we're close to or partner who's out all day and might be bringing germs in with him (or just butting heads with due to lack of social life etc) so all the things that are usually negatives are actually going to be the thing that gets us through this relatively unscathed, I think.  I'm just ordering some new books now; usually I borrow from the library rather than spending money but you can't browse in the library at the moment (no touching and putting back) so I think buying two or three new books a month is going to be a sound mental health investment over the next few months (bit like your fire pit, Hopsie!  I might get around to buying something I can set fire to in the garden at some point as well :) ).

Son's just been for a haircut; a friend of one of our neighbour's has set up a little salon in her garage so that people who don't want to sit with lots of others can go to her there.  Really good idea, she's very careful with all precautions, there's a little side entrance to it and she's quick as well so son got a good trim and tidy up and I sat over by the door, all masked up and she's got it well ventilated as well, plus temp checks.  Great idea for her and we were talking about how some people have been very innovative with all of this and quickly found another way to get things done.  Walking distance from the house as well so we've got our bit of exercise in for the day and got home just as it started to rain again.  I feel like we've got our necessities covered as safely as we can and then yes, books, good box sets and a bit of re-shuffling once the money's sorted out and I can spend a bit and get creative.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #363 on: October 10, 2020, 12:10:35 PM »
Sounds lovely, Tupp!

I buy about a book a year on average, just wedded to the library. And if I look up a few reviews first I don't have to touch and put back.

Books have gotten so expensive I just bounced them off my frugality list, alas. I should check out more e-books, but the whole point is to get off screens (I fail).

Bet your son feels better after he's been all spruced up, handsome thing!

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« Reply #364 on: October 11, 2020, 04:37:58 AM »
They are pricey, Hops, I just love to buy them but very rarely buy new (or at all).  I did treat myself to a hardback copy of a book I'd been really looking forward to reading last month and this latest batch I bought from one of our lovely online second hand bookshops, so I got a good number for not too much cash.  I've not been able to read much for so many years now; physically, my brain just couldn't compute the information and I couldn't get past a page or two before it got too much.  Too many years of stress and exhaustion, I think, and endless hours of horribly boring legal and medical paperwork.  But the lockdown has really helped and that hardback is the first proper read I've done in years.  When I finally get the house re-organised and get myself a little bookcase (to double as a bedside table maybe) that book will have pride of place on it :) I can't get into ebooks; it just feels wrong to me to read off a screen.  I like to curl up with a book and actually hold it in my hand.  It feels like all the work and pleasure and research that went into it is there with you and I just don't get that off a screen.  My friend has a kindle and swears by it but they just don't do it for me.  I like audio books though.

Son is looking mighty fine, just shy of six feet now, hair longer and curly at the ends, lovely colour in his face from all the resting and relaxing (throughout college he looked exhausted most of the time) and he's so strong - we were messing about yesterday with me chucking him out of my room - only playing around but I was pushing on him to get him out the door and I couldn't budge him an inch.  Just so solid, it's amazing how much stronger men are physically even without working on it particularly, you know?  Fortunately he is a gentle giant and wouldn't hurt a fly but my days he's solid.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #365 on: October 11, 2020, 01:23:07 PM »
Slight drop in the number of cases locally but they've spread out over more areas - all fairly localised (I'm guessing clusters are families or work colleagues?  As they seem to be close together?).  Part of me wants to not check the numbers, the other bit wants to know so it's a quick peek once a day and that's it!

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #366 on: October 11, 2020, 06:40:11 PM »
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« Reply #367 on: October 12, 2020, 02:21:54 AM »
Ah it won't let me read more than the headline unless I subscribe :)  But I can imagine the content.  My sense here (of our situation) is that it's more to do with shambolic test and trace, asymptomatic carriers (which from private testing seem to be high in number.  One of the universities here tested every student and found hundreds had the virus but no symptoms.  Given that tests are often only being given to people with symptoms it makes me wonder how many people don't know).  Added to that the financial support is inadequate so people are working when they should be isolating, or they're not being contacted until quite a long time after the possible infection took place - two weeks is the most recent one I heard about.  I may be getting the wrong impression; I'm scanning limited amounts of reading just to get a gist but not to overwhelm myself.  I did see through the corner of my eye that Trump has declared himself immune?????????  Dear Lord.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #368 on: October 12, 2020, 09:19:49 AM »
[Sorry, Tupp. Here's the article... Hugs-Hops]

When President Trump got sick, I had this moment of deja vu back to when I first woke up in the hospital. I know what it’s like to be humiliated by this virus. I used to call it the “scamdemic.” I thought it was an overblown media hoax. I made fun of people for wearing masks. I went all the way down the rabbit hole and fell hard on my own sword, so if you want to hate me or blame me, that’s fine. I’m doing plenty of that myself.

[About this series
Voices from the Pandemic is an oral history of covid-19 and those affected.]


The party was my idea. That’s what I can’t get over. Well, I mean, it wasn’t even a party — more like a get-together. There were just six of us, okay? My parents, my partner, and my partner’s parents. We’d been locked down for months at that point in Texas, and the governor had just come out and said small gatherings were probably okay. We’re a close family, and we hadn’t been together in forever. It was finally summer. I thought the worst was behind us. I was like: “Hell, let’s get on with our lives. What are we so afraid of?”

Some people in my family didn’t necessarily share all of my views, but I pushed it. I’ve always been out front with my opinions. I’m gay and I’m conservative, so either way I’m used to going against the grain. I stopped trusting the media for my information when it went hard against Trump in 2016. I got rid of my cable. It’s all opinion anyway, so I’d rather come up with my own. I find a little bit of truth here and a little there, and I pile it together to see what it makes. I have about 4,000 people in my personal network, and not one of them had gotten sick. Not one. You start to hear jokes about, you know, a skydiver jumps out of a plane without a parachute and dies of covid-19. You start to think: “Something’s really fishy here.” You start dismissing and denying.

I told my family: “Come on. Enough already. Let’s get together and enjoy life for once.”

They all came for the weekend. We agreed not to do any of the distancing or worry much about it. I mean, I haven’t seen my mother in months, and I’m not supposed to go up and hug her? Come on. We have a two-story house, so there was room for us to all stay here together. We all came on our own free will. It felt like something we needed. It had been months of doing nothing, feeling nothing, seeing no one, worrying about finances with this whole shutdown. My partner had been sent home from his work. I’d been at the finish line of raising $3.5 million for a new project, and that all evaporated overnight. I’d been feeling depressed and angry, and then it was like: “Okay! I can breathe.” We cooked nice meals. We watched a few movies. I played a few songs on my baby grand piano. We drove to a lake about 60 miles outside of Dallas and talked and talked. It was nothing all that special. It was great. It was normal.

I woke up Sunday morning feeling a little iffy. I have a lot of issues with sleeping, and I thought that’s probably what it was. I let everyone know: “I don’t feel right, but I’m guessing it might be exhaustion.” I was kind of achy. There was a weird vibration inside. I had a bug-eye feeling.

A few hours later, my partner was feeling a little bad, too. Then my parents. Then my father-in-law got sick the next day, after he’d already left and gone to Austin to witness the birth of his first grandchild. I have no idea which one of us brought the virus into the house, but all six of us left with it. It kept spreading from there.

I told myself it wouldn’t be that bad. “It’s the flu. It’s basically just the flu.” I didn’t have the horrible cough you keep hearing about. My breathing never got too terrible. My fever peaked for like one day at 100.5, which is nothing — barely worth mentioning. “All right. I got this. See? It was nothing.” But then some of the other symptoms started to get wild. I was sweating profusely. I would wake up in a pool of sweat. I had this tingling feeling all over my body, this radiating kind of pain. Do you remember those old space heaters that you’d plug in, and the red lines would light up and glow? I felt like that was happening inside my bones. I was burning from the inside out. I was buzzing. I was dizzy. I couldn’t even turn my head around to look at the TV. I felt like my eyeballs were in a fishbowl, just bopping around. I rubbed Icy Hot all over my head. It was nonstop headaches and sweating for probably about a week — and then it just went away. I got some of my energy back. I had a few really good days. I started working on projects around the house. I was thinking: “Okay. That’s it. Pretty bad, but not so terrible. I beat it. I managed it. Nothing worth shutting down the entire world over.” Then one day I was walking up the stairs, and all of the sudden, I couldn’t breathe. I screamed and fell flat on my face. I blacked out. I woke up a while later in the ER, and 10 doctors were standing around me in a circle. I was lying on the table after going through a CT scan. The doctors told me the virus had attacked my nervous system. They’d given me some medications that stopped me from having a massive stroke. They said I was minutes away.

I stayed in the hospital for three days, trying to get my mind around it. It was guilt, embarrassment, shame. I thought: “Okay. Maybe now I’ve paid for my mistake.” But it kept getting worse.

Six infections turned into nine. Nine went up to 14. It spread from one family member to the next, and it was like each person caught a different strain. My mother-in-law got it and never had any real symptoms. My father is 78, and he went to get checked out at the hospital, but for whatever reasons, he seemed to recover really fast. My father-in-law nearly died in his living room and then ended up in the same hospital as me on the exact same day. His mother was in the room right next to him because she was having trouble breathing. They were lying there on both sides of the wall, fighting the same virus, and neither of them ever knew the other one was there. She died after a few weeks. On the day of her funeral, five more family members tested positive.

My father-in-law’s probably my best friend. It’s an unconventional relationship. He’s 52, only nine years older than me, and we hit it off right away. He runs a construction company, and I would tag along on his jobs and ride with him around Dallas. I’ve been through a lot in my life — from food stamps to Ferraris and then back again — so I could tell a good story and make him laugh. He builds these 20,000-square-foot custom homes, but he’d been renting his whole life. We decided to go in together on 10 acres outside Dallas, and he was finally getting ready to build his own house. We’d already done the plumbing and gotten streets built on the property. We’d planted 50 pecans and oaks to give the property some shade. He had his blueprints all drawn up. It was all he wanted to talk about.

He was on supplemental oxygen, but the doctors kept reducing the amount he was getting. They thought he was getting better. He was still making jokes, so I wasn’t all that worried. He told me: “They’ve got you upstairs in the Cadillac rooms because you’re White, but all of us Mexicans are still down here in the ER.” I got sent home, and I had a lot of guilt about leaving him there. I called him at the hospital, and I was like: “I’m going to come bust you out Mission Impossible style.” He said he preferred El Chapo style. We were laughing so hard. I hung up, and a few hours later I got a call from my mother-in-law. She was hysterical. She could barely speak. She said one of his lungs had collapsed and the other was filling with fluid. They put him on a ventilator, and he lay there on life support for six or seven weeks. There was never any goodbye. He was just gone. It’s like the world swallowed him up. We could only have 10 people at the funeral, and I didn’t make that list.

I break down sometimes, but mostly I’m empty. Am I glad to be alive? I don’t know. I don’t know how to answer that.

There’s no relief. This virus, I can’t escape it. It’s torn up our family. It’s all over my Facebook. It’s the election. It’s Trump. It’s what I keep thinking about. How many people would have gotten sick if I’d never hosted that weekend? One? Maybe two? The grief comes in waves, but that guilt just sits.
"That'll do, pig, that'll do."

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #369 on: October 12, 2020, 09:31:46 AM »
Lawd, Hops.  I got painful chill bumps reading that....I still have them.

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« Reply #370 on: October 12, 2020, 09:53:22 AM »
It's a wonderful series, Lighter. I'm glad I subscribe.

I think human stories like this get through to [some] people better than arguing politicians do. (At the moment I'm watching the Amy Barrett handmaid hearing. Sigh.)

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PS If anybody wants to read a few more of these stories, say the word.
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« Reply #371 on: October 12, 2020, 05:42:12 PM »
Aw, Hops, thanks for cut and pasting all of that.  I am slightly concerned that I feel no compassion?  I've noticed it a few times over the last couple of weeks.  I don't know whether I've shut down a bit just in order to cope with it all or if I'm turning into an uncaring old woman but I've noticed things that would normally make me feel sad or make me feel sorry for people are just making me shrug my shoulders and think, oh well.  I'm sorry that guy's been so ill and that other family members have died but I don't get how people don't get how bad this is?  Worldwide news with pictures of bodies piled up in streets because the morgues are full, reports of hospitals running out of body bags, emergency hospitals being built in a matter of weeks, globally.  A global media hoax?  That multiple news outlets in multiple countries are all in on, along with thousands of doctors, nurses, scientists, care home staff and all the people that have had it or lost relatives to it?  But some countries didn't join in, so have few casualties, but still did lockdowns and went along with part of the hoax but didn't reveal it to anyone?  I get people being desperate to see each other and desperate for normality but I think I struggle with the difference between, "ok, it's real but I think the risk of not earning money, not seeing anyone, not going anywhere for months is doing as much harm as getting the virus might" (which is very prevalent here right now and I understand the sentiment) but thinking it's not real?  I just don't get that bit.  Well I do hope anyway that he gets a lot better and that other people might read it and have the penny drop for them (or will they think it's a hoax?  More fake news?).  Crazy times.  Thank you for posting it, it's an interesting read :)

In local news, cases have dropped by about fifty today without any deaths in the last two weeks which is good.  They've done a map of where all the cases are and almost all are in the University town.  Fewer than twenty in our immediate local area which with a population of thirty odd thousand is pretty good compared to some areas. Johnson announced a tier system for lockdowns that makes little sense, as with all his other announcements (someone on Twitter called him a 'callow twat' which just had me laughing my head off).  As our area is low there's no change here but in some areas they've closed pubs again and people aren't allowed in each other's houses and so on.  I did get a bit low today; I'm trying not to think about the winter months but it was cold today, rained constantly and the sky was grey and it got to me a bit.  Good sleep needed tonight!  No doubt will feel better in the morning.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #372 on: October 13, 2020, 02:02:16 PM »
Denial and fear are powerful things, Tupp.


And you aren't lacking in compassion, imo.  You're a bit shell shocked, maybe. 

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« Reply #373 on: October 13, 2020, 03:33:39 PM »
Denial and fear are powerful things, Tupp.


And you aren't lacking in compassion, imo.  You're a bit shell shocked, maybe. 

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Thanks, Lighter.  I'm hoping it's a bit shell shocked or something, I don't want to end up not caring about anyone!  That would be too grim.  Local numbers have dropped by a few more today with fewer clusters as well (the local authority put out various figures; I'm finding the weekly numbers easiest to follow and make sense of).  I'm hoping they keep going down but am wondering if we'll get numbers going up after every holiday if it is linked to schools and universities going back?  They're due a half term soon and then it's seven weeks or so until they break up for Christmas.  Will be difficult if the numbers keep jumping after each break.  There are apparently more in hospital at the moment than there were when they started the lockdown in March.  I'm really hoping not as many turn out to be fatal, especially as we'll have normal flu doing the rounds as well.  We will carry on staying in.  I've pretty much decided not to look at any possible house moves now until next Spring.  Our house here is small, but it's very convenient for town, food shopping and places to walk without lots of other people.  I'm just feeling it's better to stay in one place and wait for all of this to do whatever it needs to do.  It's an added pressure if we do a house move as well.  I'll be glad when it's over.

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« Reply #374 on: October 13, 2020, 04:16:06 PM »
Lordy, I'll be glad of it too, Tupp!

Meanwhile, I've simplified my brain-screeching by deciding that for now, there's just ONE thing I'll pay any attention to for safety: the daily case rate. Takes excavating the public health website and is way too complicated....should be broadcast in every locality every day. Boy are we caught flat-footed, because we haven't emphasized public health funding and education nearly enough.

Simplicity (even in thinking) seems to be helping me stay calm. It's always sad to me when people get caught in denial or play games with themselves about what's safe and what's stupid (like the guy in the story) but I do think education and government priorities are the problem, not the ignorance of individuals. People learn what they have opportunity to learn.

Makes it easier to feel empathy because I feel they've been terribly underserved, when it comes to education.

(And if you can't feel much at the mo', you're hardly a monster! And not alone.)

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