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Twoapenny

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #525 on: February 18, 2021, 06:57:46 AM »
I'm so glad you got your first jab, Hopsie, and will be even gladder when you get your second one :)  Here (UK), I think, from what I have seen, read and heard, that the vaccine rollout has been bloody amazing.  Yes, there have been problems, I can run into problems cooking dinner so to administer millions of vaccines in a way that adheres to safe practices, particularly as the Pfizer one has to be kept at a mind blowingly low temperature, must be full of logistical issues and I think they've been first class here.  I too am eternally grateful that we have science, that all those amazingly clever people have put their boffin like heads together to come up with this (I am reading about the different vacs and how they work on the 'Dear Pandemic' website and it is mind blowing stuff) and I am certainly feeling calmer and more hopeful about the future as more people get it.  Yes, there are issues over who should get it first, I think it's a reminder that we all need one another and we all affect each other.  Millions of people need it and it just isn't possible to vaccinate everyone at the same time.  I'm more anxious about son getting his sooner rather than later but equally we can carry on staying in for as long as necessary and not everyone can do that.

Posh, I understand the burn out feeling.  I think everyone is fed up with it all now, however much we try to look on the bright side and/or just keep going.  We've had health related appointments and people have been very careful with safety protocols and so on.  I don't know how it is where you are but I hope there's some way of checking things that you need to xx

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« Reply #526 on: February 18, 2021, 08:57:02 AM »
I'm doing better this winter than I did the last - avoiding lethargy, having the inspiration/motivation to start & complete projects, juggling in all the other things I do/have to do. I do have the occasional "do absolutely nothing" day still... but it absolutely HELPS that there isn't anyone here just doing so I don't have to, or doing things "for me". I guess I'm that much of a contrarian that I'm better off having to do for myself on my own, to keep at it. Oh there's the occasional heavy stuff that needs dealt with that I most definitely appreciate help with - or things beyond my ken that I dare not tackle due to ignorance or lack of skill.

And we seem to have come full circle with the issue of massive amounts of un-externally-scheduled time. Hol is finally realizing that she can most definitely keep herself occupied - and pursue a goal at the same time. My little rituals and routines that I used to use, to motivate me - are shifting into different timeframes - so that I don't feel so out of sorts at any change in routine, when it does happen. That feels kinda liberating in a way. I'm playing with it.

I am indulging in some long sleeps; my subconscious seems to require it because things are pretty busy in that realm for me right now. But it's not every day; it's not a depression symptom. Or even a retreat to the void for healing. Healing involves doing things now - the routine ones, the novel ones, the taking a chance ones. My sense of things around here, is that we are beginning to find a new balance through all this time on our hands and lockdown. Hol is actively working on one aspect of her relationship with S that just isn't going to work for her, if allowed to continue or if it doesn't change. She bounces some things off me - but isn't offloading energy about it like she was. Old stuff is also starting to slough off her too. She still has the big one to begin dealing with - but isn't just diving into her maternal frustrations at the moment. And that seems to be OK. She has been working through old hurts; current ones... and naming those for herself. Claiming, understanding, and letting go.

Things between her & I are better than they ever have been. She's stopped trying to take care of me; isn't reverting to any form of child-parent relationship with me; is extending the benefit of the doubt to how things will change when B is part of our little bubble-world... and trying to sort out her own relationship before he gets here. We both kinda see a big potential for friction between them - but it's a wait & see thing. Could be completely wrong.

None of us are interested in getting the vaccine - but the kids likely will because of work requirements. IF work in their occupations comes back. We've been discussing options for what else could be done instead. Better now while we have time to research, explore, decide... seriously ask ourselves about commitment... than in a hurry, because we HAVE TO NOW.

Having all this time is an absolute luxury for me - it chafes Hol sometimes because her connections with her circle of friends has shifted. Some are steady and reiable; others are taking some hits - just due to circumstances, not direct falling out with each other. That's a tough one for her. And she has yet to start making new friends out here. But then, almost all opportunites for social interaction - which are scarce here anyway - have evaporated. Since I can get completely involved in my own mind - and lost even - my needs for that kind of interaction aren't so urgent. LOLOLOLOLOLOL.

And now it looks as though I already have the 10-12 inches of snow that was forecast at the end of the storm - TOMORROW - we could see 2 ft this time. Mud season is going to be epic this year....
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« Reply #527 on: February 18, 2021, 04:33:52 PM »
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As a whole country it's like we are one big bumbling neurotic Uncle Sam.

It does look that way, Mouse. As I understand it, the cause is primarily due to no centralized planning or control of the rollout. States with vastly varying resources and capabilities were left to figure it out and implement on their own, for too long, with some falling for specious emotional arguments about "freedom." The administration has a huge repair/catch up job on its hands. It'll never be perfect but it could be a whole lot better! As to equity, shades of Katrina....

I still feel some guilt over my random luck in landing a vax appointment. It was due to a complete fluke and inadequate forward-planning (state and federal). As the national vax depot released some more doses, a message went out locally intended for PART of group 1B (because they don't yet have enough doses for all so they were working on signup queue order once the 75+ and frontline workers had been covered--I had signed up the first day), and then some grandson-or-other shared it on social media after he saw an elder use that link for an appointment, and bingo, thousands tried to get in. Once the health district realized the mistake (opening the pop-up site w/o age restrictions) they had to turn away anyone under 65, even if they'd managed to snag an appt slot online.

The health district immediately owned and apologized for the error and have since been predictably pilloried for it (understaffed and underfunded as they are). But I felt badly that someone poorer, less computer-savvy, less healthy, with less social support no doubt missed out on a dose because I had been forwarded that link by a very alert similarly-privileged friend.

I read an ethicist article about this some time ago, and the view came down to, it's not your individual fault if you're offered an opportunity for the vax, and every person who gets vaccinated is helping society survive the pandemic and sooner, so if you do get the chance, take it. You're just one member of the herd. And then help others if there's some way you can be of support. (Like a friend of mine who spends hours standing in the cold directing traffic at vaccination sites when one opens for a time.) The urge to sacrifice your turn is moral but impractical and won't solve anything. So, I took it. ?????

As to vax-deniers, that makes me sad. There's so much mistrust of science and "expertise" and advanced education and lack of recognition of the negative power of uninformed online communities that draw identity and comfort from sharing "secret knowledge" or believing in conspiracies. I worry most about children who have -- and will -- come down with dangerous diseases because a parent won't trust the scientists who have done brilliant, dedicated work for so many years to develop vaccines and further understand immunity. (Though not immunologists, Dorothy Hodgkin and Clara Barton must be spinning in their graves....) It's unfathomable to me that so many still believe in the discredited, debunked vaccines-cause-autism myth that was spread from one sloppy scientist's paper in the Lancet decades ago. That one piece of misinformation fed a whole group of conspiracies with tragic results. Never mind that it was reviewed, found scientifically completely wanting, and even retracted by the journal and subsequently denounced by a huge number of reputable researchers. One "byte" of misinfo went viral (no pun intended) and was enough to infect a culture with ignorance.

Mistakes and evils and greed have happened from the Tuskegee experiments and worse, to all kinds of medical errors and profit-driven strategies ongoingly, but I've never understood the throw-baby-out-with-the-bathwater reaction. As screwed up and unequal as health care here is, we also have extraordinarily dedicated practitioners and researchers, and as a nation have the potential to lead dazzling science and public health. Yet so far we've squandered those hopes to emotion, poor education and unclear, uninformed long-range thinking and planning. And underfunding. Maddening. I wish they'd let Bill and Melinda Gates take it over!

I'm feeling so sad for freezing, dying Texans right now. Wind turbines account for 10% of their winter energy use, yet that misinformation piece is already being churned.

ALL that said, this isn't about my politics, just my sense from observing what people go through on all sides of any aisle, that the answer really is that we need to love and look out for each other. And take every opportunity to do that we're given.

Putting away soap box and I hope anybody who has a different take on any of these opinions understands I'm not insisting I'm right, just explaining what my opinion is and a little about why.

I don't need to be right, or win a debate, or convert or be converted. I have people I love and respect in my life who see the world and similar issues very, very differently. Who have different backgrounds and experiences and identities and politics and have come to different conclusions. I love them no less -- even more, I'd say -- because we've all intentionally found ways to cherish and nurture our friendships in spite of those differences, even when it was difficult. Given the state of things, I recognize that as a precious exception I'm lucky to experience. For that I'm intensely grateful! (As I have been for being informed and changed by some of those differences. When I stop learning or assume I know it all, I'm cooked.)

Thanks for tolerating this "column." If it offends or stirs any negativity, I'll delete.

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Re: Coronavirus
« Reply #528 on: February 19, 2021, 03:50:49 AM »
I don't think you have any need to feel guilty about getting your jab before someone else, Hops, nor do I think you need to justify it.  It seems that the programme is going well here because the NHS have organised it (ie, medical people) and the politicians kept their beaks out.  We do have variations in how quickly it's happening in certain areas but that's mostly because some areas are more rural and in areas that are very densely populated it's difficult to manage large numbers of people in relatively small spaces when you have to maintain social distancing.  They're very big programmes to manage and there will always be areas where it doesn't work so well.  I'm just glad a vaccine is available and glad that you got your first shot.  The sooner the risk of serious harm to so many reduces the better, however it's achieved, is my view, and we defo don't want you poorly or worse xx

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« Reply #529 on: February 19, 2021, 08:28:11 AM »
Yeah, I agree with Two on this one, Hops there is no need to get guilty over the shots. The faster they get you out of the way the quicker they can get to other people (sticking tongue out) I'm half joking there. They just need to get it out to as many people as possible.

Heck, if census workers can go door to door so could immunization givers. Anyhow I'm not going to go on about it.

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« Reply #530 on: February 19, 2021, 02:00:39 PM »
Awww, (((((Tupp))))) and (((((Mouse)))).

Thanks, you guys. I think I've finally gotten the guilt back in its bottle and y'all helped.

Interesting thought about door-to-door immunizers, Mouse! Only hitch I can see is that they'd have to be medically trained and carry a kit for (raaaaaaare) allergic reactions. When you do get jabbed, you're made to sit for 15 minute afterward to be sure you're safe.

Once we got in the FEMA building it was very organized. Jab and info-chat with nurse: 5 minutes. Sit-a-bit: 15. (They had you sit in in-order lines and when your wait was up a doc comes straight over: You feeling okay? You're good to go. That was that.

We got a huge, transparent, detailed update from the health district about the big snafu, which I respected. And they got 1200 more people vaccinated that day in spite of the confusion. I felt badly for those turned away for no fault of their own, but appreciated how it was handled.

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« Reply #531 on: February 22, 2021, 12:18:05 PM »
Well, it feels like there's a light at the end of the tunnel just now.  Local numbers are low, and much lower than the national average.  My only concern about that is that they'll jump up again when everyone comes for their holidays but we tend to avoid the crowds during the holidays anyway so it should be manageable.  It was beautiful today, really warm and sunny and I went to the supermarket during daylight hours for the first time in almost a year.  It was quiet, everyone is taking care to keep their distance and everyone was wearing a mask.  I do wonder if people being compliant in this area is part of the reason the numbers are lower here.  It would be nice to think that's the case.  The government have announced that unpaid carers will be in Priority Group 6, which is the same group my son's in.  I checked with the doc and they are working through Group 6 at the moment so we should get a date through fairly soon.  I got chatting to a lady when I was walking last week who's volunteering with the vaccine programme and she reckons they're doing 800 - 1000 a day just in her location, which is an amazing number.  Just shows how well things work if you let the experts sort them out and politicians don't get involved.  I've got taxi money put to one side so whatever time we get allocated and however short notice it is, we can get there.

Lord Waffle Chops is announcing/has announced a slow release from lockdown, starting next month.  Schools back first, then shops, then hairdressers, gyms etc and so on.  No overseas holidays until May at the earliest (which is good, I think - keeps the risk lower and gives local businesses a much needed boost).  Cinemas probably open again around May but he has made it clear that they'll reintroduce restrictions if needed and people will still need masks/distance etc for the foreseeable future.  Sounds quite sensible and hopefully we won't see another winter like the one we just went through.

That's all!  Looking a bit better for now, at least.  We're planning a beach walk for this Wednesday and hopefully we can do that once a week for the foreseeable future.  Will be lovely if the weather's nice.

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« Reply #532 on: February 22, 2021, 02:03:08 PM »
Yes to going out into nature.  I 💘 thinking of you walking on the beach, Tupp. 

Congrats on getting your vaccine so soon, Hops.

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« Reply #533 on: February 22, 2021, 06:11:37 PM »
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everyone is taking care to keep their distance and everyone was wearing a mask.  I do wonder if people being compliant in this area is part of the reason the numbers are lower here.

It sounds like EXACTLY the reason.

So glad to hear a note of optimism creeping in, (((Tupp))) and hope you soon get the call about your jab.

Either way there WILL BE spring, and sun, and excursions, damn the torpedos! You have endured...in an extraordinary way. Bravo, you.

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PS Thanks, Lighter. It was a fluke. And I'm grateful.
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« Reply #534 on: February 24, 2021, 02:24:40 AM »
It would be good if mask + distance was playing a key role, Hopsie, it just makes me feel like there is 'something' I can do to help keep us safer.   I was reading this morning that it does appear the vaccines might be reducing transmission as well - it's not certain yet and more time/research is needed, but that will also be a huge blessing.  Another parent I know who is in the same situation as us is getting her jab this week so I'm hoping our invite will be coming through soon as well.  Beach trip has been postponed due to rain but we'll go tomorrow instead.  Local cinema has released their re-opening date - still a couple of months away but son's face when I told him was a picture.  The days are getting longer, buds are on the trees, flowers starting to come up.  Slowly starting to look like 'normal' life is on the cards again.  What a relief.  Son's birthday is next week :)  I've ordered loads of decorations for the house and purchased gadgets for him to do tech wizardry on.  Bought him a nice card; he's having a think about what sort of food he'd like to order in.  Current plan is breakfast, presents, party games, lunch, film afternoon with snacks and take away dinner.  Bit of a walk at some point in that just for fresh air.  Hoping it will only be the one lockdown birthday for him.  Three options to bid on with housing this week; no idea how much chance we have as it depends on who else bids but I've put our bids in anyway.  Really hoping the worst of this is behind us now.  This time last year I didn't even know Covid was happening.  What an odd time it's been.

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« Reply #535 on: February 26, 2021, 04:32:57 PM »
The movie, gadgets and flower buds sound great.

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« Reply #536 on: February 28, 2021, 10:38:14 AM »
The movie, gadgets and flower buds sound great.

They are great, Posh, I think we all need more of them :)

I nearly got my vaccine!  Was very excited when the letter arrived but when I went to book up the group they've put me in are all being vaccinated at a centre thirty miles away.  That's a sixty mile round trip, without a car, when there's a centre in town doing vaccines that I can get to via a ten minute bus ride.  Lol, I've emailed the doc to see if they can change my group so hopefully it won't be too much longer anyway but I was the most excited I've been in ages!

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« Reply #537 on: February 28, 2021, 12:26:54 PM »
My heart hopes with yours, Tupp!

"Vaccine bragging" is really demoralizing for many here who're still struggling to get an appt through our decentralized mess. It's getting better and moving faster, though. Fairly amazing given the circumstances.

I'm so glad for you that light's shining through an open window! Hang in....

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« Reply #538 on: March 02, 2021, 04:07:16 AM »
I know, Hopsie, there are people grumbling here about who gets what and when, but it's just such a big operation.  They've vaccinated the first five priority groups here now, they're working through group six (there are ten priority groups and then it's the general population and they'll just work through that as and when, I think).  It is hard; people's situations are different and I think a lot of people just want to feel safer again now - maybe more so now there is a vaccine so whether they feel they're less likely to die or less likely to need time off work I guess a lot of people want to get on with it.

But - I've got my appointment through, it's tomorrow, at the local leisure centre so I can leave son here, jump on the bus, whizz in and jump on the bus to get back home as well.  He'll be alright here for an hour and in some ways it's easier for me to get mine first - I can explain to him exactly how it is, I'll know exactly where to go when it's his turn and if I do get any side effects I'll have a better idea of what he might experience so I think that's worked out well (although I will be turning cartwheels when he gets his, truth be told).  Phew.  Does actually feel like the end is in sight now.  I'll let you know how it goes! xx

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« Reply #539 on: March 02, 2021, 01:21:24 PM »
Woo-HOO!

Happyjab, happyjab, happyjab!

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