Author Topic: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"  (Read 7622 times)

Twoapenny

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2021, 05:36:14 AM »
I was reading that some students are setting up 'Free Speech' societies here, to push back against  the rising tide of being told what to think.  I do find it worrying.  We were taught all sorts of different critical theories at Uni but they were just different ways of reading a text.  They weren't instructions on how to think or part of who we were, it just meant you could read a book and then analyse it using Marxist theory, feminist theory, post modernist theory or whatever.  Interestingly I took a course in Dystopian fiction and the common theme in each book was always that you could only achieve 'Utopia' if everyone thought the same, which meant having to use force or brainwashing techniques to ensure that happens.  Seems to be becoming a real thing which is a worry.  I feel it's what happened when I had my set to with the conspiracy theory lady - she's entitled to think/believe what she wants but she doesn't have a right to decide what I think, or that her 'truth' is something that I have to listen to.  She seemed to want me to recant, which feels somewhat medieval.  It's a bizarre head space to be in just now.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2021, 08:25:36 AM »
I don't fully understand how much fear seems to be generated by some liberal arts education. When I was in school people were studying everything (in no particular order) from Chomsky to Marx to Ghandi to Abraham Lincoln to MLK Jr to the Tao or Einstein or Gertrude Stein or Jesus/Buddha/Hegel--whatever there was an individual felt like learning something about. What drove curriculae was curiosity, which is what makes people want to learn.

It'd be a shame if intellectual curiosity was replaced by fear of knowledge or suspicion of the theoretical. And if coercive teaching styles are triggering that in some places, that's disappointing. Theories are just how ideas are tried, get their tires kicked. I think it's as true in the humanities as in science. Critical thinking is...critical.

In my own experience higher education was about thinking, not brainwashing. I know about PC language because it's even happened at my church but I also embrace WHY people are using new jargon to explain how systemic racism developed and is sustained, for example. Read a few books and most of the terms  make sense to me even when I don't enjoy using them; I'm pretty confident I still have a brain. (Though lately...LOL.)

At any rate, these days I'm scholared out. My tired old mind long since learned that intuition, sense-knowledge and the planets of emotion are my sources, rather than abstractions or philosophies. I'm just not that good at it. Brains differ and mine is more like a free-associating dreamscape. Maybe that's partly the ADD, who knows. Philosophy literally gave me migraines--it was like math in words and I simply couldn't follow. Once I was released to fiction and poetry I was grounded again.

But I enjoyed having my mind crunched while I was at my intellectual peak. (Which would be the bottom of somebody else's ocean.) Except for the Golden Rule, I don't feel particularly driven by any philosophy, but that one never seems to wear out.

In society, I'm more interested in humanity cooperating in doing what's kind than fighting over why one path to kindness and cooperation is the right one. Not because "proving" isn't important but because I'm not methodical or logical enough to do that. Thank god for the brilliant people who are.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2021, 06:31:00 PM »
Yep, Two, Most classes provide an array of ideas for students to mull over. I have no problem with that at all, I've had some Marxist writings presented to look at. What I've experienced is the opposite, it's one instructor trying to mess with student's identities.

I've recently contacted a group for student freedom and it's located off campus, it's at a different school which makes me feel better. Right now I think organizing is an odd proposition for students because of distance learning there isn't a "free forum" outside the structure of classroom graded conversations. I will have to think about this a bit more.

I'm glad that people ARE STARTING to get STRONG about FREEDOM to be oneself and think for oneself.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2021, 06:33:40 PM »


HOPS:   "It'd be a shame if intellectual curiosity was replaced by fear of knowledge or suspicion of the theoretical."


Hops it's gone far beyond normal. Think Chinese style political education.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2021, 06:45:01 PM »
My University has had grading criteria in the past that was found to be unconstitutional.

Right now I'm going to chill and collect my evidence. I will stew in my indignities for a while until I figure out my best plan of dissident reprisal. Perhaps I will contact a newspaper eventually. At least news reports tend to be searchable for future students.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2021, 01:01:29 PM »
May I make one suggestion, if you decide later to publish Mouse?

I would go out of my way to be absolutely clear about not accusing the prof of a blessed thing. Repeat, at least 3 times, that you hold him blameless. And also repeat 3 times, that your issue is with requiring the labeling/identifying students as this, that, or any other idea or thing in the actual content and activity of the class - as a means of decreeing only one definition or point of view, as valid and true.

The 3x repetition is useful to get people to actually hear and pay attention to what you're writing, the logic and sense of it, without having to resort to any emotional manipulation or gamesmanship and without the reader feeling as you're writing a personal attack against them. Once a reader emotionally reacts and rejects your words... you've lost their ability to hear any further and it's not possible to regain that attention or any measure of objectivity. Counterattack is what to expect if someone does just react without giving your article a "fair consideration reading".

Tread carefully, m'dear.
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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2021, 11:39:28 PM »
Yes, I am somewhat open to ALL advice and comments and ideas and opinions.

I do see what you mean Skep, there is a very fine line about slander. Yes, once people shut down they do not listen. I understand your meaning here.

I very much appreciate what you are saying!

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #52 on: February 05, 2021, 09:49:57 AM »
You're welcome Mouse.

We live in uncertain and "interesting" times; it pays to remember that what is "free speech" today could become a crime tomorrow. I miss my world history prof - Prof. Hayek - who engraved on my brain that you can't legislate morality. He also said that Puritans were people that were upset if there was anyone anywhere who was happy. LOLOL.

In our parlance here, we understand that the Chameleon instinct isn't a good thing. That it's conducive to losing our real self. I've been thinking lately - that for people like me - I'm rather glad I know how to do this. It's a survival instinct in times of "Witch Burnings" or worse. Non-conformist, eccentric, a thinker - even if the thoughts are mostly BS, I am the nail that sticks up that must be hammered down to assuage someone else's fear. Never mind that I'm a "live and let live" believer; or that I find people who believe different things and live differently than I do interesting and likable... without insisting they must believe like I do. Nope; in the fearful person's mind - I'm the threat.

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People have taken leave of their senses, and in a way... it's mostly limited to online (not always of course; and the real world expression of that insanity is much more dangerous). I am very glad I can do the hermit thing without a LOT of negative consequences to myself. Given how long we've been doing this, it's starting to be work for me to maintain my equilibrium, but soon spring will give me plenty of outlets for physical activity & creativity in the landscape again.
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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #53 on: February 15, 2021, 03:40:07 AM »
This will be brief. (Never mind it's not brief...)

I've got an instructor who is using the term "projection" to describe what he anticipates some students will do in his class.

This is an "English" class.
I am trying to grasp what is going on in the class but find it hard. I took many English courses and they were very much about the text and what the reader brings or projects into the text. No one reads a book and gets the exact  meaning out of it because it is a soft science and very subjective.   I don't know what course you are taking. If it is English 100 and a survey course then it is different than an English course that studies DH Lawrence. English studies incorporated many ideas from psychology ie Freud, Jung , many others. Because it often involves ones personal development and depth of understanding to analyze character, plot, themes in books that deal with god only knows what. I mean Dostoyevsky tackles, patricide, incest, suicide, marital infidelity etc.
You write in a language I barely understand because it seems so analytical and political. If you could give examples of what is so insulting and say it in a simpler and more direct way, it would go a long way in helping me understand your distress.

The class appears to be using a form of racial profiling which is a Civil Rights violation. I'm not a lawyer but the structure of this class already appears to be highly problematic. The instructor has also made the class highly personalized, highly racialized and he has made a point of "outing" people based on their race.
Could you give one example of this$ It is very, very political sounding

So I am not trying to make a political statement here although this ends up falling within the realm of politics.

I have many concerns already.

One of my concerns though is an instructor who is using what sounds like psychobabble to describe the "consciousness" of his students.

It's only the first week of class. The only interaction I have had with him so far is that I asked him if he can point me in the direction of any grading rubrics and he has none AND he provided me with quite a snarky answer.

Ok that was a bit of a snarky request. What on earth is a grading rubric? If this was your first contact with him, he is probably pretty tired of students who care only about grading. English is a soft science and he probably couldn't nail down how he will grade. Did you mean what will get you a high mark? Like class participation, essays, multiple choice? 

I'm not sure what my point with this post is going to be. I think it's just a question of opinion about how to politely stand up against an authority figure who is using psychobabble.


I find it distressing that the course should not be a group therapy class and it's not a psychology class and he is using terms that sound like pseudo-psychology. Terms being used by someone in a Federally funded academic setting, someone who isn't qualified to do an unsolicited psychological assessment of students.
You are very free with condemning him for using psychobabble. I think you are probably in the wrong class. Usually, English majors love to jump into deep waters psychologically and they is plenty of cross information between psychology and English. Quite often one is required to keep a personal journal of their journey through the themes in the course ie. love, anger, jealousy etc. Some people love this. I don' t think this is your cup of tea.
Often I just need to write things out for my own clarity and that is what I have done above.

I have already reported to the compliance and civil rights office at my institution that I have some concerns about how the class is structured.
Wow, you are really demanding something from this course but I don't know what it is you want. You are so consumed with attacking this prof. Ok he is an eccentric nincompook. There are lots of them teaching in universities. You desire to change this prof and get him to conform to your political beliefs is pretty self destructive. You can't change the whole screwed up system. It is patriarchical.

It very much seems to me that he is performing some kind of conversion political activism in this class. We shall see how it turns out. In the mean time I'm trying to keep my sanity and dignity. In this class it looks to me like the instructor is grading students based on their psychological disposition according to their race. I find that the structure of the class is heavy handed and domineering.
Ok that is a very sweeping statement Conversion? Again just how is he trying to accomplish this?

I'm trying to set aside my opinion about politics etc. and break down the verbiage he is using and the structure/power dynamics.
He is definitely using language that appears unusual to you. The political language you are using is nearly incomprehensible to me. I feel uncomfortable with it and feel you are more interested in demonstrating your facility with some kind of jargon, than in showing how you feel and how you were hurt

Any thoughts on authority figures using psychobabble to justify their actions... I would appreciate it.

There is also the concept of free speech which the instructor has versus an instructor abusing their authority...

In the end I may base all of my work in the class on MLK research, the class doesn't even reference MLK at all, so I may rely on the civil rights movement background to generate my content for this class and then I will just see how he grades the civil rights based content....which will be quite odd since he is already violating students rights I think he will have an issue with with MLK ultimately. Sigh the crapola of it all. I have a clear goal and that is for me to graduate and to do it with some kind of dignity and sanity intact. I also do not want to feel voiceless or like this instructor is grading my race or my psychology.

How is he grading your race?? Lecturers are so often autocrats and condescending. If you want all that to change and it bothers you to distraction, you are up against a huge structure that you can throw rocks at but you will suffer for that.

I don't think it's an instructors role to attack a student's identity or sense of self. He doesn't need to do this to teach people concepts or skills.

I may come back to this post to yammer on about this. You may have noticed I have a way of self-talking/writing through issues here. Sometimes when I feel anxious or upset or overwhelmed I do have a difficult time finding the right words and articulating EVERYTHING that is in my thoughts, so I guess to a certain degree I see this as a safe place to try and sort out my own sense of voicelessness. I don't feel voiceless necessarily in this class yet but I do feel inclined to question and even confront his authority and that I am sure he may deem as "inappropriate."

A compulsion wells up in me to upset the power dynamic and point out inside the classroom discussion that an instructor/student setting presents a type of power dynamic that is not a balanced context to start with. I also want to publicly post in the class that if anybody feels they are being racially profiled or coerced into making personal statements or judged in ways they are not comfortable with they should report it to the civil rights office and also the head of the department. Somehow this action seems confrontational. Then again there is nothing written in stone that I must be powerless or voiceless and I am not violating anybody's rights by promoting the use of the campus civil rights office.
I can imagine that makes you very popular with your prof. You are undermining his authority and presenting yourself as very subversive, to the point where you are emailing students to take a stand with you.
I am sure you are extremely intelligent and wanting to be on the side of justice and change. Aggressive tactics may be your strategy of choice but I can't agree with you on that.
I really thought about your situation and realize that you are demanding change and going pretty overboard to get it. There are less radical ways of communicating, many of them developed by the psychobabbles you seem to scorn.  This probably isn't what you want to hear but it could be the beginning of a productive, compassionate, enlightening discussion. Please don't turn me into the brain police for having an opinion that you don't share

Any thoughts are welcome if you are so inclined to share.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #54 on: February 15, 2021, 05:28:42 AM »
Situation's long since been resolved, Sea.  Psuedo's had a lot on her plate for a long time and has had to keep a lot of different plates spinning (which she's done very well).  May be an idea to update us all on what you've been up to as you've not been on the board for a while.  Hope all is well.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #55 on: February 15, 2021, 12:21:18 PM »
Hey Sea,
So good to see your name again.
I too would love a new Sea-thread, to hear all about how you are and how you're doing.

Catch us up? Still doing Japanese stuff sales?
Daughter? Friends? Health? Nature around you?
What's working? What's not?

I'd really love to hear.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #56 on: February 18, 2021, 05:31:47 AM »
Writing for myself here:

A thought has occurred to me from time to time how this board is not private, anybody can come and look at people's posts, lots of stuff on here ends up being about people's daily lives, relationships, feelings, struggles etc.

I'm definitely considering not being on the board because I'm trying to feel out how I relate to people and who I relate to. I'd much prefer having more close friends in my life. Social media is complicated to say the least.

My psycho instructor had literally written to me that he "wanted to hear my voice." He wrote this while at the same time doing thought reform. It's part of the reason I freaked out so badly about the class, one of many reasons.

Sometimes I barely have time to come here, I now have so much work to keep up with. I deleted my Facebook account a few months ago and I don't miss it one bit. I guess when people keep up with Facebook, Twitter and so forth they are in a way keeping their finger on the pulse of popular opinion.

More now than ever I want real friends, real family and also privacy.

So it's my passing thought for the moment. There is so much internet faux-community and maybe people find themselves participating in it without asking themselves how did I get here, do I want to be here etc. Is there some other outlet that would be better for me.

Right now I don't feel like I have much of a personal outlet. I feel like a brain with blisters on it. A disembodied brain tasked with appearing to be smart or something, in the egotistical academic landscape; a character that doesn't fit me. I'm going to make the best of that if I can.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #57 on: February 18, 2021, 12:45:51 PM »
That's such a clear, eloquent post, Mouse.
I hope you stick around.

But I understand that from time to time even regulars can feel less motivated to be  here.

Personally, I'd be buried with my laptop on my chest before I bail, but I am a needy person. (Even wrote Doc G instructions of who to check with if I don't appear for a month. He has my okay to contact a close friend IRL for a well-being update so if I've croaked or had become unable to "compute" he could let y'all know.)

LOL but also, ahhhh.

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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #58 on: February 20, 2021, 06:16:42 AM »
So it's 3:00 am.

I am contemplating "stuff" and I have much to say about it but I will probably not put it here.

Next week, I may be making a handful of official complaints about my school that are outside what I would normally do. In fact I've never complained about a school before, I've never wanted to but now it's practically inevitable.
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Re: Educator abuse- "a new sense of self"
« Reply #59 on: February 28, 2021, 10:46:58 PM »
I forgot what I was doing, something, something, hmmm nope don't remember what it was, so here I am.

An investigation with a state agency is initiated related to my school junk. Not sure where that is going to go. I've also been contemplating getting a lawyer. It's not exactly a route I feel enthusiastic about and yet it feels like the right thing to do somehow.

Never would I have imagined ending up needing to do this. The road in life is an unpredictable one.