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teartracks

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« Reply #1005 on: April 10, 2007, 01:03:53 AM »



Thanks PP and Storm,

I feel better knowing that nature has its way of preserving its own.  It's still cold here, but dinner is made and waiting for the Hummers when they are ready to emerge!

tt

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« Reply #1006 on: April 17, 2007, 01:30:29 AM »



Hey everyone,

At least two Hummingbirds are at the feeders.  I'm so happy they made it through the bad weather.   :)

tt


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« Reply #1007 on: April 17, 2007, 09:39:04 PM »
Me too, TT!
I'm glad your whirling little friends are back...

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« Reply #1008 on: April 18, 2007, 08:05:11 PM »
ENERGY FOLLOWS THOUGHT

LOVE=Tolerance=Compassion

PEACE and Eternal LOVE

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jUST LIKE THE WAY THESE WORDS LOOK TOGATHER :D :D :D :D :D :D

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« Reply #1009 on: April 18, 2007, 08:10:00 PM »
Or do what Yoko Ono did and set up a Wish Tree similar to what she planted in the Hirschorn Sculpture Garden in Washington, D.C.

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« Reply #1010 on: April 18, 2007, 08:42:43 PM »
Bones ,

What is the wishing tree????

I am guessing the idea is small lights of love do add up.

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« Reply #1011 on: April 23, 2007, 05:52:22 PM »

Sela

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« Reply #1012 on: April 25, 2007, 09:34:56 AM »
Poor Charlie Brown does have really low self-esteem, doesn't he?

Some thought provoking stuff in this article:



Look inside for beauty and failings  (from: http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/17406.htm )

Some people get angry because God put thorns on roses. Others rejoice because God put roses on thorns -- Anonymous



HE first failed in business at 22, then again at 24. His sweetheart died when he was 26 and he had a nervous breakdown at 27. He stood, unsuccessfully, for his nation's parliament at the ages of 29, 31 and 34.


Abraham Lincoln's early record did not indicate a life headed for greatness.


After becoming US president at 51, Lincoln wrote with affection about his early struggles. He said he realised early that God and nature had given him permission to be inadequate.


"I discovered that we are all a mixture of success and failure; good and bad," he wrote.


"I decided then and there not to be too hard on myself, and on others."


We are strange creatures, more lovely than we sometimes think, but sometimes more sinful than we can imagine.


We are inspired by slight touches of love and affection, but easily turned off by perceived slights or insults. Often, when we seem cold-hearted and petty, we are just hurt.


When we appear self-centred, it is often that we are frustrated that we cannot find ways to bring the warmth that is in us to the world around us.


We are puzzled and offended by the concept of sin, yet know it is part of the human condition.


Paul the apostle put it this way: "It's not a question of whether you are a sinner. It's only a question of what are your sins."


All of us struggle with anger, hatred, bitterness and jealousy. We are sometimes a lot worse than we imagine.


It's hard to see the truth about ourselves.


We tend to overestimate either our goodness or our failings and become either big-headed or downcast.


We are sometimes so preoccupied with our self-importance, with making money and fawning over worldly celebrity that we drift away from the great truths in life.


All religions teach us to help people when we can. All religions teach us not to kill or steal or cheat. All religions teach us we should be forgiving and not too hard on people when they mess up, because some day we will mess up. Yet, it's easy to forget that.


C.S. Lewis seemed on the mark when he said if you examined 100 people who had lost their faith in Christianity, not many would turn out to have reasoned out of it by honest argument, "most just drift away".


In a society that is purposely and effectively dumbed down, the rarest and most valuable of commodities is discernment about ourselves and our world.


US pastor the Rev Joe Wright caused a ruckus when he prayed for discernment at the opening of the Kansas Senate.


"We have lost our equilibrium. We have inverted our values," Wright said.


"We have worshipped other gods and called it multiculturalism.


"We have endorsed perversion and called it alternative lifestyle.


"We have exploited the poor and called it the lottery. We've neglected the needy and called it self-preservation.


"We have rewarded laziness and called it welfare.


"We have killed our unborn and called it choice. We have shot abortionists and called it justifiable.


"We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem.


"We have abused power and called it politics.


"We have coveted our neighbours' possessions and called it ambition.


"We have polluted the air with profanity and pornography and called it freedom of expression.


"We have ridiculed the time-honoured values of our forefathers and called it enlightenment.


"Search us, Oh, God, and know our hearts today; cleanse us from every sin and set us free."


The response was immediate. A number of legislators walked out in protest. But the prayer echoed around the world because it called for recognition that we do not have to live in spiritual poverty. Ralph Waldo Emerson said faith and love were apt to be spasmodic in the best minds.


"Men live on the brink of mysteries and harmonies into which they never enter, and with their hands on the door-latch they die outside," Emerson said.


Without faith we are just counting down the days until death.


by Bryan Patterson






"It's hard to see the truth about ourselves".
Yes, I think so too.


"We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem" ???
That's the kinda line that gets my brain cells all squirmy and itchy.  What do you think?


Sela

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« Reply #1013 on: April 25, 2007, 12:08:39 PM »
Sela, It's hard to see the truth about ourselves - yes, and when I do (the ‘sins’ part), it’s easier to push those thoughts away rather than examine them.

What words make my brain squish and itch… lots of them. This was his personal prayer though? I guess he gets to pray whatever he wants to? Maybe I don't understand the context, the meaning, perhaps because i don't know the system?

"We have neglected to discipline our children and called it building self-esteem" ???

Well discipline can mean putting some order on to chaos…..but it does make me think of the possibility of punishment. Can you have discipline without the threat of punishment? Is it possible to encourage a sense of personal responsibility and conscience without punishment? I think so…

The prayer above gives me a feeling of …………. right/wrong, bad/good, just/unjust….and who is he talking on behalf of? The people of Kansas, the US, the Western world, the whole world? Not the last one I don’t think. 

I don’t think spiritual poverty or wealth is necessarily linked to belief in a god, do you?

But ‘self-esteem’………tricky words, many meanings!

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« Reply #1014 on: April 25, 2007, 07:10:45 PM »
Hi Sela, Hi Portia:

There's a very interesting article-PLUS-letters (the latter being always more fascinating) on this topic in Salon today. It's titled "What's Wrong With Name-Calling, Stupid?" and it's a great dialogue...writer and LWs (letter-writers).

It (they) says/say more than I can. I know I do wish more children were taught courtesy. Then again, I'm a lax and indulgent example.

Hops
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« Reply #1015 on: April 25, 2007, 11:32:15 PM »
That's it, CB. At the end of the article is a link that lets you read Letters.
(There are rude ones mixed in...always a cursing troll or two, but the thoughtful letters, and even the angry debate...are eye-opening.)

There are so many apologists for the verbally aggressive parents, it's as though the parents' over=the=top tempers in some way made them feel secure. I don't understand it, but I know that enmeshed parents create insecurity, and N parents create emotional havoc.

I just think anyone interested in the Baldwin story might find that article and letters interesting.

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Hops
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« Reply #1016 on: May 04, 2007, 11:29:40 AM »
Hi all:

Hey P:

Ya.  When I first read that line about discipline I had the same kinda thoughts about good/bad....punishment and wondered what he meant by discipline and by not doing it.....it builds self-esteem???  Got myself all confused there with that one.

Then I wonder if maybe what he means is that by neglecting to discipline our children ....not teaching them enough about responsibility and yes...even....consequences for unacceptable behaviour (which is my definition of discipline)......have we produced children with better self-esteem (maybe too much so......so that they do not take the same responsibility for their actions and/or understand the consequences of it....as our generation did???).  Is that possible?   Is that why they can so easily shoot eachother and innocent bystanders as well, these days?  Is this the new normal behaviour (although we see it as unacceptable?).

Do well-disciplined people have low self-esteem?  I doubt it.  So maybe he means the self-esteem thingy is our excuse for not teaching children how to be well-disciplined?  Afterall, it's not an easy thing to do.  Much easier to tell a child stuff that builds them up, rather than clarify their errors for them and give them a consequence.  At least, for me, as a parent......that hurts more....is harder to do.  I'd rather just be nice and jolly and kind and tell them how lovely they are.  But when they misbehave?  How do I correct without some sort of "punishment"?  Maybe with some kids but not mine.  Mine seem to require experiencing the consequences of their poor choices and it was/is still....hard to watch.

They can choose to think of it as punishment or they can decide to learn from it and consider it a learning experience.  I'm not talking about beating them with a belt but rather......the most natural consequences available which can be anything from failing a school assignment for not doing the work (watching tv instead) or missing the bus by dwadling (both of which I would have reminded/suggested the correct thing to do).

Do I think spiritual poverty/wealth is directly linked to God?  Mine is.  Yours may not be.  I think our spirits are very unique and each needs tender treatment in order to be really rich.  Pounding people with threats of wrath is as useless as trying to beat sense into someone.  Both things seem forceful, abusive and closed to me.  What really opens my soul is gentle kindness and true dependance on/belief in hope.   What opens your soul P?  What helps your spirit feel wealthy?  Whatever it/is/those/are are the real link, I think.

Hops:  Thanks for that article.  Wow!  Some of those letters eh?    It was eye-opening though.  I bet most parents have said something they regret to their child/children.  I have for sure.  The difference is......I think....that some just choose not to/or for whatever reason are unable to....apologise for their words.

My parents never did.  Ha!  There's one thing, at least, I've improved on because I didn't repeat that non-behaviour (lack of behaving??  Not apologising problem thingy.)  I think it might have helped too.  It might have helped some.  I hope it helped when did it.

 Hi CB!  Hope stuff is going well for you.  I've had the flu and read a little but not a lot here lately because I was just wiped out.  Slept like an old she-bear for nearly 5 days straight.   

HI to everyone else too.  I'm off for the w/e now to our cabin up north.  Hoping the black flies are still asleep.

 :D Sela

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« Reply #1017 on: May 04, 2007, 01:21:56 PM »
Loved reading your post Sela...tell more about the cabin sometime!

I think what is good for kids to see is the gentle kindness and hope you believe in. Me too.

I also think it's good for them to see bursts of ferocity in defense of the vulnerable.

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« Reply #1018 on: May 04, 2007, 08:10:29 PM »
Ami

I don't know the post you mean, but I could have missed this one to me, here!

Yes! Fear!. I have had fear all ,my life in varying quantities--fear of an earwig crawling into my ear, laying eggs and coming out the other ear--from a Stephen King Book-- Fear of my computer crashing, fear of pressure sores, fear of minor to  major things--but mainly fear regarding people.

As long as I don't have a close friend, I can deal with the social part with the workmates etc.

I don't think of suicide. I fear I might have to live forever--ever think of that? That would be HELL!

I think if you keep fresh, have done your makeup and hair and out you go--there ought not be a fear in the world-----------OH WATCH OUT FOR THAT MACK TRUCK!

I am awful

all the best

Izzy

Edit: The disonnected part--does that mean you don't feel anything? as my problem is? Well I can say that all the emotions involved in living are known to me, but none of them are DEEP, as they are locked away somewhere. I can empathize with you if you are the same, but the fear you mentioned sounded Heavy-Duty. Mine is light and I joke about things

Izzy
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« Reply #1019 on: May 05, 2007, 11:51:55 AM »
Hi Sela

I was thinking about your post. Re punishment and discipline, I don’t think of natural consequences as punishment, I think of them as you describe. I think we agree.

What opens your soul P?  What helps your spirit feel wealthy?

I was really thinking about this Sela.Thank you. I had to go back to the old dictionary and look up ‘spirituality’. From the breath….to have a spirit is to live, to breathe, to think: for me, mostly to think. What is my spirit? (This is a tough question for me.) My spirit or soul or essence is my thinking: my consciousness (and presumably my unconscious too). What opens it and helps it feel wealthy?

Marvellous questions like yours that get me thinking! And I guess: human beings in general: no, human beings in the specific. Individual humans and their sameness and specialness: people who are open to life.

Gosh. I didn’t know that until I just typed it!  :D More pondering required. Bye for now.