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« Reply #435 on: June 26, 2005, 08:39:28 PM »
GFN,

You had some important things for me to think about, along with Lara and Mum.  I don't see my pattern breaking anytime soon.

Thanks for hearing me.  It means a lot.

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« Reply #436 on: June 26, 2005, 10:15:17 PM »
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I don't see my pattern breaking anytime soon.


And when you do...it will. Allow.
Bless you, A guest.

Keep posting.

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« Reply #437 on: June 26, 2005, 11:31:51 PM »
Dear A Guest,
I am so glad you came here to open your baggage and begin to unload.  I am so sorry you feel desperate.   Feel the support offered by all the wonderful people here.

When I read your post, it sounded EXACTLY like something I would have written a few years back.   And if I could go back and give myself advice, this is what I would say.

I am feeling much better than I did then.  I have gotten married and had children, but what made me better was not that.   I wish I had done things in order.  

Wrong order:
1.  Get married.
2.  Have children.
3.  Realize that I need healing.  Struggle through it with the wrong spouse and the responsibility of children.

Right Order:
1.  Get better and heal self.
2.  Decide what I want out of life.
3.  Involve others in this life (friends, spouses, children).

Was it GFN?  who said that if you attract someone now, in your state, it could well be the absolute wrong person for you.   When people are attracted to others who have serious issues, that could mean that they have issues and need someone worse to divert attention, or that they sense that they can take control of this person.  

Yuo might feel that you are sinking.  No one can rescue you.  You can, however, swim to safety with the support of others.  We are some of those others.

I agree with, was it Mia?  Get thee to a therapist.  And participate in this forum.  

I'm pulling for you.
Plucky

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« Reply #438 on: June 27, 2005, 12:18:22 AM »
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We are told not to bad mouth our x's because they are the children's parent and the child might think badly of themselves, because they will wonder if they themselves are "like" that parent..... and thus have the same bad points.

Sometimes, I think this is complete bs because children can think for themselves and will automatically wonder if they are like their parents, notice their imperfections, and possibly feel bad about themselves, a little, regardless of what we say. They'll see the good in us too. Plus, aren't we hiding the truth from them by not expressing what's real and instead pretending or ignoring it or trying to keep it .....together?


I would just disagree a teeny tiny bit.  Because children, even teens, do not always have the reasoned thought process we associate with adulthood.  They are going to be struggling with their own feelings and thoughts about the situation.  If you expose them to your feelings too much,  that is another burden for them.  Then enters feelings of loyalty and guilt and taking sides.  Divorce is a very adult problem and no child is able to deal with it. Most adults are not.

I am here to say that one of the things my N mom did right was to follow that rule, pretty much, about not badmouthing our dad.  Only later I discovered many things he had done, when I was older and able to handle that information.  I think she ought to have told us a little more than she did, so we could understand why they divorced, but on the whole it worked for me.  

This is certainly not easy to do.  It may not even be possible.  But if you try you can probably do well enough to optimize the situation for them.  I think your instinct is to protect them but you have so much on your plate that it spills over.  I also think you are probably not as bad as you think you are.   I got some really good advice from someone years ago when contemplating my first divorce:  if you've made a mistake, the best thing tto do is admit it and move on.  If something spills out, just forgive yourself and move on.  Overall in the scheme of things, how disastrous is it?

Mum, I am not trying to be unsupportive or task you with an impossible task.   I know it is hard and you are only human with a huge burden to bear.  I can only tell you what worked for me as a child, and in my case (stay tuned) I will try to play it safe also.

Right now, when my H and I have an argument, I tell my children that I was so angry that I lost my temper and yelled.  They are small, so they don't ask what it was about, but if they do I just say it was a grown up problem.  I don't want them trying to come up with any solutions.    

I know it will not work all the time but do your best and that is the best your children can possibly get!
Plucky

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« Reply #439 on: June 27, 2005, 02:32:00 AM »
Thanks, Plucky. I do bite my tongue.  I have near bitten it off many times, but as I said elsewhere tonight on the board: my kids suffer enough having a jerk for a dad....why would I want to add to their pain by pointing that out.  They know what he is about, they will figure out more as they get older. But he is their dad, good or bad.  Half their DNA and all, so my intention will always be to not share my own feelings about him with them, and let them have their own relationship with him.

Many times people ask me how I can do this: well, who wants to hurt their own child? Not me.  I'll do what I can to show them healthy boundaries and loving relationships....and that I can do without even concerning myself with the jerk.  Beyond that, I can only hope they will choose a healthy approach to life....and maybe someday they will know who showed it to them.

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« Reply #440 on: June 27, 2005, 02:40:25 AM »
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and maybe someday they will know who showed it to them.

They will.  Even tho my mom is N, she did do this right, and for that I am grateful.  I got to process the pain of knowing how much of a jerk my dad was, as an adult, not as a child.  Thank you mom!
It may take a while........

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« Reply #441 on: June 27, 2005, 08:28:36 AM »
Hi all:

Hey Plucky:

Just to clarify a wee bit (hahahaha.....clear as mud!! :D ):

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If you expose them to your feelings too much, that is another burden for them.


I'm not advocating the exposeure or burdening of our feelings to/on our children.  What I'm trying to say is that if we slip up and do let some of this out, occasionally, it will not be devistating for our kids, or even all that eye opening (possibly).

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I got to process the pain of knowing how much of a jerk my dad was, as an adult, not as a child.


This seems good as you are glad and thankful about it.  For me, my mother didn't need to say a bad word about my father.  I had him figgered from a very young age, all on my own.   I don't think I'm accessively observant .....but it was hard to miss.  I didn't internalize what I thought about him as part of me.  That was him, in my view, and I was me.

But maybe I'm weird?  :roll:

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« Reply #442 on: June 27, 2005, 12:10:16 PM »
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I didn't internalize what I thought about him as part of me. That was him, in my view, and I was me.

GFN: no, you are not weird, just normal. I am certain my kids know what their dad is all about, but he's their dad, and they get to love a jerk (he's their only dad, after all).
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What I'm trying to say is that if we slip up and do let some of this out, occasionally, it will not be devistating for our kids, or even all that eye opening (possibly).

Again, this is good for me to remember. Rarely, is anything all that devestating.  My kids are resilient....because I am their mom, and you had a good mom, too.  Healthy people make "mistakes" and move one.

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« Reply #443 on: June 28, 2005, 08:30:25 AM »
Hi All:

Hey Mum!  Sounds like you're feeling a little better.  I hope so.  This crap won't last forever.   You're going to come out of it intact and smiling, with children who know they have a good mom, while he will stay as he is....a goof and they won't miss that either!  I agree.....he is their only dad and they will have feelings for him.  You're not teaching your children to hate their father.  Some people do that.  You're doing the best you can, under the circumstances Mum and that's all anyone can possibly do.  You're doing a very good job!!  Someday, your kids will tell you so!

Thanks for saying I'm not weird!  That is really nice of you.  And especially for saying I'm "normal"!!  (my caregivers at "the home" might not agree with you..... :D :shock:  :shock: ..... :D  :D ..just kidding... heehee :D ).

What's normal anyway?  I have a hard time sometimes determining that.  I mean.....I guess there's such a thing as "usual" or "popular" but "normal"?  My believe is that as an evolving species....we are constantly changing and "normal" is kind of ......tough to put a finger on.
What was "normal" one hundred years ago, isn't "normal" today (say in regard to child rearing).   What's "normal" today, 100 years from now, they may be saying is completely daft!  I don't know.  That's just my brain again...going off (little sparks and blood surges and charges and stuff... causing my "normal" type of thoughts! :D  :D ).

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...and you had a good mom, too.


I did have a good mom but she was by no means what one might call "normal" today.  She was abusive some of the time, both emotionally and physically.  But she was basically a good mom because she loved me and did a lot of good things for me too.  She taught me plenty of good stuff and would probably have been much different, a much better mom, if she hadn't been so terribly abused by my father.  My mom was in and out of psychosis, by the time she died.  She lived a life of terror from the time she was 19.  She withstood stuff that I doubt I could have and she managed to be as "normal", as often, as what appeared to be....humanly possible.

Anyhow.....just wanted to clear that up.  I could have let it go and just left it that she was a good mom, as you said.    I think, to a certain extent, she was very much so, but I would feel like I am denying the not so good stuff though, if I had not commented.

Have a great day all!

GFN

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« Reply #444 on: June 29, 2005, 06:16:25 PM »
Well.....I'm away until Monday.  Going north to par with deer flies and swim some.  Thought I would post this to show the hazzards of city life, or at least......so I can test myself when I get back.

It's called something in German, I think? :?
The idea is to use your mouse to keep the dude walking as upright as possible.

The record is supposedly.......87 metres.

(not my record....that's for sure!)

Have a grrrrrreat next few days all!!

GFN

http://www.wagenschenke.ch/

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« Reply #445 on: June 29, 2005, 06:17:58 PM »
PS:  re the second game:  Homerun 2004

GFN

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« Reply #446 on: July 04, 2005, 10:45:46 AM »
Found these interesting quotes packed away in one of my files.  Don't know who wrote them:

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Human beings are the only creatures on earth that allow their children to
 come back home.

 
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Love doesn't make the world go 'round, love is
 what makes the ride worthwhile.

 
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Patience is the ability to idle your motor when you feel like
 stripping your gears.


Enjoy today all!!

GFN

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« Reply #447 on: July 07, 2005, 07:52:02 PM »
This is a coooooool board!!!

I have a new board name which is:  Sela

Hope you are all feeling and healing well.

GFN/Sela

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« Reply #448 on: July 11, 2005, 09:47:39 AM »
Hi all!

A friend sent this to me and I thought it was cute.

>>>>Subject: Jesus, Satan and Computers
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Jesus and Satan were having an on-going argument about who was better
>>>>on
>>>> >the computer. They had been going at it for days, and frankly God was
>>>>tired
>>>> >of hearing all the bickering.
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>>>> >Finally fed up, God said, "THAT'S IT! I have had enough. I am going to
>>>> >set up a test that will run for two hours, and from those results, I
>>>>will
>>>> >judge who does the better job."
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >So Satan and Jesus sat down at the keyboards and typed away.
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >They moused.
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>>>> >
>>>> >They faxed.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >They E-mailed.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >They E-mailed with attachments.
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>>>> >
>>>> >They downloaded.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >They did spreadsheets.
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>>>> >
>>>> >They wrote reports.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >They created labels and cards.
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>>>> >
>>>> >They created charts and graphs.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >They did some genealogy reports.
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>>>> >
>>>> >They did every job known to man. Jesus worked with heavenly efficiency
>>>> >and Satan was faster than hell.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Then, ten minutes before their time was up, lightning suddenly flashed
>>>> >across the sky, thunder rolled, rain poured, and, of course, the power
>>>> >went off.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Satan stared at his blank screen and screamed every curse word known
>>>>in
>>>> >the underworld.
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>>>> >
>>>> >Jesus just sighed.
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>>>> >
>>>> >Finally the electricity came back on, and each of them restarted their
>>>> >computers. Satan started searching frantically, screaming:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >"It's gone! It's all GONE!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >"I lost everything when the power went out!"
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >Meanwhile, Jesus quietly started printing out all of his files from
>>>>the
>>>> >past two hours of work.
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>>>> >
>>>> >Satan observed this and became irate.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >"Wait!" he screamed. "That's not fair! He cheated!
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >How come he has all his work and I don't have any?"
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >God just shrugged and said, "Jesus saves."


Hope you all have a good day!

Sela

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« Reply #449 on: July 15, 2005, 10:44:49 AM »
I've been reading a book called:  "Attacked", which is a book of short stories about people who have been attacked by wild animals and survived. The book is edited by John Long.  In one story called:
"I hoped it would finish me quickly", by Hugh Edwards, an event is described in which a lady named Val Plumwood is attacked by a crocodile, while cannoeing in an Australian river and she survives.

At the end of the story, Edwards writes:

"Hollywood films have tried to capture the terror of what Val Plumwood experienced, but they never have and never will.  Surely, if we could harness the courage she showed, clawing up that muddy bank, tending her own wounds, forging on and refusing to give up, we might change the world.  No less miraculous than her survival was her resiliency.  Many such victims have survived only as gutted wrecks, never willing or able to integrate the shock and resume anything but shadow lives.  The glory here is that Plumwood pushed through the horror and outrage of the attack and rejoined the living, and did so without wanting to convert every Australian crocodile into a pair of loafers.  Believe this: many bitter survivors of animal attacks dedicate the rest of their lives to evening the score with the shark or the crocodile or the big cat."

If I change this sentence.....to read.....

and did so without wanting to get even with the N (and substitute the letter N for all the animals in the next sentence)

....just for the heck of it.....it really makes me think.

Especially this sentence:

 
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Many such victims have survived only as gutted wrecks, never willing or able to integrate the shock and resume anything but shadow lives.


Sometimes I feel like a gutted wreck,... empty... and I'm just following life along like a shadow.  Sometimes I am not integrating the shock/and other feelings very well at all.

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The glory here is that Plumwood pushed through the horror and outrage of the attack ...

This is what I think I must do.  I have never thought about it in those terms....pushing through the horror and outrage.....like thread through a needle.  The pain is big and the space it must pass through is very small.

Some days I feel very strong, as if I am doing that....integrating it all....becoming whole....feeling resilient and rejoining the living.  My needle is then threaded.

My hope is that there will be more and more days of rejoining and less and less of the days when I feel wrecked.

I wish this for (((all))) here too.

Sela