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It just hit me that the spin doctors who went before us (I'm not just talking about the previous generation either) did not have the best interest of future generations at heart.  I'm not an expert by any stretch, but I'm betting that there was never such a generation. 

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Good point,  Guest.  Of course they count.

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Still musing...this (below) came to mind.

Musing on why original sin involved man eating something (is there something implied about gluttony in that?) as opposed to some other act like cutting down a tree in the garden or picking that snake up by the tail and snapping its head off?

Interesting, huh, TT?

If you look at a lot of the old tales, eating something figured into a major life change--often something ominous, but sometimes something good. Trips to faerie amongst the Irish were somewhat safe, as long as the adventurer never ate anything. If he did, he was doomed to stay. There was Sleeping Beauty with the poison apple, for example...lots of them.

Maybe, its just the sense that eating takes an outside substance and puts it inside a person....emphasizing the life-changing significance of the act rather than something that stays completely an event and is just something that someone DID.

CB.

Could it be an example of the synthesis, a kinship, or an harmonious or not so harmonious collaboration of two spheres (organic -  man, the garden, the apple, the serpent) and (inorganic - spirit, the unseen world) the two inexorably connected?

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[CB123]

Well, I think if you look at Scriptures, you see a lot of examples of eating symbolizing synthesis--the Last Supper being the premiere example, I suppose.  Lots of talk about what is inside a man that counts.  Lots of dietary laws that are a picture of something that is not dietary at all. 

In all these examples, the idea of eating something being equal to, or symbolic of, something else fits with what is a pretty universal picture.  Most cultures and religions have the same kind of thing. 

CB

[Sela]

Hi all,

Thanks for the hug Hops!  Holiday was wonderful!  Always too short/quick though.   Thanks for asking.  Are you enjoying the summer?

Hey Guest:

One thought about Sela's question: Would you call anyone else nuts if they told you they were doing that?
If someone told me the things that I think about, yes, I'd think they were possibly crazy, delusional. I'd find suspending belief very difficult. I'd say 'show me the evidence' and there wouldn't be any: or there'd be the sort of evidence that would point to delusion. Sometimes I've considered my evidence (not of the topic), in bleak cynical terms, and judged myself nuts, yes. And then i think: but I bet I'm not the only one who is!

So then!  You think you are possibly crazy/nuts AND delusional?  But you're not the only one?  Alrighty then!

Misery loves company eh? 

You're allowed to think about anything you wanna (of course).    Wanna get your thinking measured? (Who wudda thought that could be done?)


www.karlalbrecht.com/mindex/mindextheory.htm



Are you a red?  blue?  An abstract or concrete thinker?

I hate to commit to any one colour/style!     They all sound like such fun!   




I was thinking that I believe in the theory which states something like:  we are all a little crazy/nuts/delusional sometimes and that's because our brains are not perfect.   (Probably I just like the idea of not having to meet such high criteria as:  perfect?  I was never a straight "A" student.  ).

And one theory I recall being taught in physics (yuck!  Physics!  I hated it and didn't get it!) has always stuck in my head and that is that:

Nothing is impermeable/some things are relatively impermeable.

Another theory?  I'm not sure if it's a fact or not.  Maybe by now it is?  I have no idea.

I dunno.  The possibility that maybe, sometimes, ideas get labelled:  delusions/false beliefs when maybe it's not so black and white crosses my mind because even opinions/ideas/beliefs can be permeable?  Know what I mean?

Perhaps you don't have the correct facts to prove your belief but that does not actually make it a delusion.  I would say, there should be actual facts disproving your belief .... to make it completely false (and I get the feeling that hasn't happened yet, has it?).

Anyhow, ok, so you think you're a bit coookie now and then and so are we all, according to theory.  And maybe you have some beliefs that have yet to be proven....you're not alone there either, I'm sure.   I guess I'm wondering if it helps to label oneself at all under such circumstances?  Or is it better to just go ahead and think things through/test the facts/seek the facts/even if theories get disproved along the way and just believe....above all..... that you...are ok?  What's wrong with seeking the truth anyhow?

Hey CB!  Good to see you!

TT:  No worries about entering conversations here, I should think.  This is the place!  It's a public board eh?

Sela

[Sela]

The possibility that maybe, sometimes, ideas get labelled:  delusions/false beliefs when maybe it's not so black and white crosses my mind because even opinions/ideas/beliefs can be permeable?  Know what I mean?

I'm thinking this might need clarification.  What I mean is:

I bet.....many, if not most opinions/ideas/beliefs are at least somewhat permeable (have tiny holes in them) and many are likely permeable and probably some are relatively impermeable or fairly solid.  My guess is few if any opinions/ideas/beliefs are  impermeable.  Some where some how some time some one may be able to get past the membrane of them and things could change?  I do realize that mixing physics with psych is like making a smoothie out of carrots and cheesecake but hey..... somebody might like it? 

Sela

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Hi CB,

Well, I think if you look at Scriptures, you see a lot of examples of eating symbolizing synthesis--the Last Supper being the premiere example, I suppose.  Lots of talk about what is inside a man that counts.  Lots of dietary laws that are a picture of something that is not dietary at all.  

In all these examples, the idea of eating something being equal to, or symbolic of, something else fits with what is a pretty universal picture.  Most cultures and religions have the same kind of thing.

I guess more than anything, I'm doing self talk to a part of me that wants to grasp  how two spheres, each having  laws governing it's individual function, could intermingle, synthesize, overlaying each other, even be mutually enriched.  Thinking on it now, it's as clear as the nose on my face in the examples you gave as well as the one I started with, original sin that it happens, mystically and in a way that I can only understand in the most elementary fashion.

Thanks CB.  I'll keep thinking on it...

tt
 

[Sela]

Hiya Guest,

Thanks for taking the time to come back to my post.  Hey!  What a lovely coloured thinker you have!!

Sounds like you are very open minded about plenty and willing to consider being open minded, if need be, about more.   That's admirable.

I struggle with other people's stuck beliefs

Do you want to change them?  Or do you mean you have a hard time understanding how they can believe as they do?  Too bad everyone isn't more flexible eh?

I won't be let in, be allowed a relationship (offtopic here) due to denial and sick beliefs...but hey, I can let that relationship go, too.

This sounds like a very difficult situation for you.  All you can do is try.

There has never been a relationship, so it is mourning what I never had with time running out.

No fun emotionally.  Been there.  Sorry you have to go thru it Guest.     Loss is loss.  It hurts no matter what.

Keep talking, if it helps, Guest.

Sela


PS:  I know what you mean about having memories surface and viewing them with "new eyes".  It's a process!  Sometimes, I have found that my "new" view seems more accurate and other times, not so much.   I'm not sure about it all anyway because it is now being said that memory is supposed to be much more selective than originally thought.  It's interesting to consider how one might react to those events/convos now though.   Might even be a way of mentally re-doing it/soothing oneself?  As long as not too much time is spent on it, I suppose.  Too much would likely be considered living in the past or ptsd or something eh?

[Sela]

Hiya Guest,

Acknowledge and move on.

  Sounds so healthy!  Not like a crazy/delusional person at all!! ( )

So being both invisible/unimportant and powerless to help.  That's a bit crap really.

No kidding.  It's like watching someone with no brain function die.   They don't seem aware that you are there and there's nothing you can do to make it better.   Sad.    Sorry for that too Guest.

It's all about input isn't it?

I agree.  Also about digestion?  How well our garbarator works?  Gotta chew everything up well and spit out what's no good eh?  Absorb the rest and make use of it?  Yes.  Makes sense to me.   I think mine might need an overhaul now and then. 

We can't choose what junk gets thrown at us but we can decide what to dump and what we want to recycle eh?  And we can filter out the real useless stuff and feed it to the swine!   

Sela

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"There is a crack in everything.
That's how the light gets in."
— Leonard Cohen

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"Undertow"

"I set out one night
When the tide was low
There were signs in the sky
But I did not know
I'd be caught in the grip
Of the undertow
Ditched on a beach
Where the sea hates to go
With a child in my arms
And a chill in my soul
And my heart the shape
Of a begging bowl"
— Leonard Cohen

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"What A Wonderful World"
I see trees of green, red roses too
I see them bloom for me and you
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.

I see skies of blue and clouds of white
The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
And I think to myself what a wonderful world.

The colors of the rainbow so pretty in the sky
Are also on the faces of people going by
I see friends shaking hands saying how do you do
They're really saying I love you.

I hear babies cry, I watch them grow
They'll learn much more than I'll never know
And I think to myself what a wonderful world
Yes I think to myself what a wonderful world.

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The hairy eyeball Meaning

A glance made with partially lowered eyelids. This usually indicates suspicion or hostility but may signal other emotions too.

"He gave me the hairy eyeball" - means that someone is disapproving.

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Science:

1. the systematic study of the nature and behaviour of the material and physical universe, based on observation, experiment, and measurement, and the formulation of laws to describe these facts in general terms
2. the knowledge so obtained or the practice of obtaining it
3. any particular branch of this knowledge the pure and applied sciences
4. any body of knowledge organized in a systematic manner
5. skill or technique

Guest - Relax.  According to the above, just about everyone we know must be a scientist  

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Guest - Relax

Sounds like it doesn't it?   Coming from me, if I were you, I'd ignore it (not that you haven't already!)  

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