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sKePTiKal

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« Reply #1365 on: September 28, 2011, 07:48:27 AM »
Even so, the idea of this makes me shudder, tt. Poor woman!

I don't know why this bothers me, either. People do all kinds of things like this - even leaving messages in estate documents. For all kinds of reasons. It just seems so much more honest and fair to the other person, to say what you have to say during life. The idea is just creepy to me.
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« Reply #1366 on: September 28, 2011, 05:42:19 PM »
TT

I think I've talked to a 'dead person' on Face stopthesearch book. But since I didn't know them when they were alive, it didn't/doesn't worry me. If I had known them, I'd be slightly freaked, I imagine. But then again, it depends. I take quite a lot of freaking (actually I take an awful lot of freaking bollocks, but that's another story).

I really don't think you're assigning the internet more power than it really has (I'd just say that the power is with individual people and groups of people, not some thing called The Internet).

But your phrase no one to stop it has limitations. One of those is that Wikileaks are really not interested in what I had for dinner. But if I launch a blog with the right collection of ideas in it, I will find my door broken down, probably in the wee small hours, by men who aren't looking for my underwear (and if they are, good luck to them).

And if what you publish is libelous, then the Law may stop you. On the other hand, if what you publish is true and regarding criminal activity, then others may face the Law.

As for emails from someone after death, if it was me, and if I wanted the emails to stop, then I'd make sure they stopped. Presumably with this woman, she didn't want them to stop? From the start this reminded me of The Time Traveller's Wife, which was a wonderful idea.

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« Reply #1367 on: September 29, 2011, 08:19:46 AM »
tt - yes, I know those other, non-techie possibilities. And for all that it makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck - I can see the value and the love that's contained in it. Touching, really. I just believe - from experience - that it is preferable (to this one human) if people can actually get to that place, say those things - share the moment - IRL. (In real life). The times I've managed it, it's been terrifying and I still had all the hairs on my body standing straight up... and goose bumps.

I don't think it's the same as "cold, ruthless, total honesty" either. My kids have sometimes mistaken this for the experience above.

It's more like the children's book that claims: I love you no matter WHAT.

I'm guessing here, imagining, that the message provided the comfort needed at that moment and actually helped that woman process, go on... remind her of the eternal bond of love... the unconditional kind and the freedom (to be) contained within it. I think, it really does exist. There's an old rock anthem, by the Who, that I associate with this - the refrain goes: L-O-V-E -- rain on meeeeeee - e. The way Daltry screams it... it's a wonder he can even speak these days... but it's always reminded me of the raw, greater than nuclear energy, power of emotion and how we need that level of feeling-energy to keep going. That's just one example of songs stuck in my head - that seem to have given voice and words to things that were beyond me to express.

The idea of receiving messages like that - it's both for me - creepy and intensely touching, simultaneously. It borders on stuff we assign to the "supernatural"... another quality of that kind of energy, I guess. Or, maybe some would describe it as mystical...

Either way, the Internet is just a conduit... like a telephone line or the USPS. I used to tell my students, that in a way, the Internet was a revolution, akin to what happened because of Gutenburg's printing press. Because the historic Mr. G began printing bibles, and people began reading them for themselves... eventually, Martin Luther comes along and has one printed in German, instead of Latin... and pretty soon, ordinary folk knew for themselves what the words were... could think for themselves about the ideas and meanings and significance. Before, they had to take the interpretation and meaning and trust in the organized "church" monopoly. That "gave away" a lot of power to the church - even among kings, you know?

In the American revolution, it was printed broadsheets that spread the ideas and energy to outlying rural areas and helped motivate (or inflame, depending on interpretation) the citizen militias. Good old Ben Franklin, who seemed to be interested in everything and eternally curious had a large hand in this - again, he had the whole supply chain, being postmaster and responsible for which papers actually got to those less-connected places and people. I don't think he could stand up to one of today's ethics panels or even be considered "politically correct" -- even as he is held up to be one our founding father diplomats. He'd be trashed in the media for some of his ideas.

And with the Internet, all of us can say anything at all and share ideas across cultures, geographical location... and with some translation programs, even across languages. Not everything on the internet is valuable, reliable, or socially redeeming. It doesn't have to be anything at all... so it's like the Tower of Babel, at this stage of maturity. There is a huge possibility of being misunderstood... or someone taking a good idea, technique, or power... and using it for selfish, malicious purposes. But the real potential of it, I still believe, is in bringing people together... like the old town square market or the front porch of southern all-in-one general stores. Where we can tell our stories, encourage each other, be connected with each other... and because the Internet is "archived", it's just like having published a newspaper column or a book - somewhere, there's a disk or a tape that contains the words and images from a person, and it can be retrieved even long after death.

Now THAT'S a scary thought, huh?
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« Reply #1368 on: September 29, 2011, 07:02:48 PM »
it's a scary thought...

because what if we change our mind - enlightenment is fleetiing - and don't enscribe it???

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« Reply #1369 on: October 01, 2011, 06:39:45 PM »
Yes  :D

and I'd have said 'oversized'

or maybe just a pic of a (fig) tree might do?

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« Reply #1370 on: October 02, 2011, 11:53:16 AM »
"We are not the beautiful and unique snowflakes we think we are. There are many people who look like us," says Acquisti.

Yeah, I've frequently been told I look EXACTLY like someone's grade school best friend, or ex-girlfriend, or ... Really? Whatever.

Not that I'm thrilled about all the data that's being collected about me - and my bizarre travels online to strange corners of the 'net universe - but I grew up assuming the gov't already had all that information anyway. When I was doing all my pre-employment stuff to work for the gov't - they asked me to provide street addresses and phone numbers for all the places I had lived back to the age of 12, for my background check. I was in my 30s at the time, and even then - it was a LOT of places. And given my memory blocks back to my childhood there were a lot of things I didn't have records of (didn't know I was supposed to keep that info) or couldn't remember. I was amazed at what I could recall, really. I did the best I could, and when I was told it was incomplete, I fired back: you're the FBI... you tell ME where I lived because I don't remember the address or the phone number.

People change over time, too. The fallacy of predictive algorythms that "suggest" things I might purchase or be interested in, based on what I've previously bought or been interested in... doesn't account for change in me, my taste or interests over time, in the database. Unless.... do you suppose it's adaptive?? Able to "learn"?

Hmmm. Time for another 180 change then!  ;)  I'm still trying to outsmart or break software... heh-heh-heh...
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« Reply #1371 on: October 02, 2011, 06:52:05 PM »
FW: those "early years" or student life, for all us, are best consigned to the "I don't really recall" trashbin of memory, I think. Imagine, if we called ourselves to account for every single lunatic thing we did then... we'd never be done by the time we kicked off! LOL...

OK, I guess I'm speaking for myself here.. mostly. A lot of my friends are in the same predicament tho!

The whole process of "breaking technology" was my way of learning how people would approach or misunderstand or not get software. I guess that's called "usability" in the design business now. The more I understood how people would innocently and naively approach something new... the better equipped I was to teach them what it was, the power of the tool, and how best to apply it - equating it as much as possible with the goals and vocabulary and values of educational philosophy. My "students" were faculty. This wasn't exactly written into my job description, mind you! It was sort of a defensive survival technique, because every year would bring significant changes in software - just as people were starting to become familiar with the last version. (including me!)

There's no "reward" for learning, if every year you're faced with a completely different layout of the web pages, menus, and tools... and have to learn a new vocabulary with that, to boot. You never reach the plateau in the learning curve, where you've accumulated X amount of knowledge to apply to a new problem set... or software program. There's no sense of mastery or competency and people would disdainfully refuse to assign any value to it. Thankfully, I wasn't the only one who recognized this. Software developers began introducing the interface of major changes 6 months before the release date and supported those of who supported the local users... with "sandbox servers"... so we could demonstrate how things worked before subjecting people to the "point of no return" of an upgrade.

A side benefit of this technique was also being able to identify real bugs, glitches, and things that simply didn't live up to the advertised "benefit". Some things I could fix; some I found workarounds for... and the things that just didn't live up to their billing got complained about, to the company that developed it. That led to me being asked to help redesign - or critique redesigns or new features. Something a little more positive and it fed my ability to ask way-out-there questions... and dream up things they didn't know how to do yet. "Wouldn't it be cool if....?" I definitely wasn't the only one; nor was I anyone "important"; but I did get a chance to learn my voice... and exercise it for something useful to a lot more people.

I guess I miss that kind of interaction with folks - and they were a motley crew, for sure! and I got to indulge my curiosity about their field of expertise, too - and the puzzle aspect of de-coding interfaces and finding the gems of usefulness in software. I guess there's always crossword puzzles and TED lectures, now. I knew I could finally leave that job... when they started discovering the bugs themselves... and started showing me the things they learned. I started pushing them to collaborate with each other... and share these "secrets"... and some interesting things came out of that!  I hope they kept it up!
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« Reply #1372 on: October 04, 2011, 09:33:29 AM »
As much as I loved that part of my job... there was a flip side that I absolutely detested, hated, and that drove me to the point of stress, where I could chew nails, did physically bang my head on brick walls and learned soooooo much about Ns first-hand... that when a big wide open window of opportunity came around - I jumped through it even though I couldn't have any idea how I'd land, what was on the other side, or if it would even last.

It was way better than staying there.
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« Reply #1373 on: October 06, 2011, 06:37:29 AM »
RIP

"Almost everything--all external expectations, all pride, all fear of embarrassment or failure--these things just fall away in the face of death, leaving only what is truly important. Remembering that you are going to die is the best way I know to avoid the trap of thinking you have something to lose. You are already naked. There is no reason not to follow your heart."


- Steve Jobs
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« Reply #1374 on: October 06, 2011, 07:05:37 AM »
Yes, so long as you don't rip other people's hearts to shreds in the process.

And what is truly important?

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« Reply #1375 on: October 07, 2011, 08:32:21 PM »




side-step-sister  5 thumbs up
 
The step sister of your step brother or step sister.

KAREN: This is my side-step-sister, Sherry.

JANE: Side-step-sister?

KAREN: Yes, Sherry is my step sister's step sister.

SHERRY: Hi, Jane. Did you meet Alice?

JANE: Yes.

SHERRY: Well, Karen & I are not genesisters at all. But, Alice is the step sister of BOTH Karen AND I. That's how Karen and I met -- through Alice.

JANE: Okay. I get it. Neat!

Urban Dictionary
 

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« Reply #1376 on: October 07, 2011, 10:44:02 PM »
I was once puzzling out who my D's half-brother was to me.
He came over for a cup of tea one day and I told him I'd decided he was actually my
stepnephson.

He liked it.

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« Reply #1377 on: October 08, 2011, 01:48:52 AM »


Who Am I?

Who am I? They often tell me

I stepped from my cell’s confinement

Calmly, cheerfully, firmly,

Like a squire from his country-house.

Who am I? They often tell me

I used to speak to my warders

Freely and friendly and clearly,

As though it were mine to command.

Who am I? They also tell me

I bore the days of misfortune

Equally, smilingly, proudly,

Like one accustomed to win.

 

Am I then really all that which other men tell of?

Or am I only what I myself know of myself?

Restless and longing and sick, like a bird in a cage,

Struggling for breath, as though hands were

compressing my throat,

Yearning for colors, for flowers, for the voices of birds,

Thirsting for words of kindness, for neighborliness,

Tossing in expectation of great events,

Powerlessly trembling for friends at an infinite distance,

Weary and empty at praying, at thinking, at making,

Faint, and ready to say farewell to it all?

 

Who am I? This or the other?

Am I one person today and tomorrow another?

Am I both at once? A hypocrite before others,

And before myself a contemptibly woebegone weakling?

Or is something within me still like a beaten army,

Fleeing in disorder from victory already achieved?

Who am I? They mock me, these lonely questions of mine.

Whoever I am, Thou knowest, 0 God, I am Thine!

by Dietrich Bonhoeffer
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« Reply #1378 on: October 08, 2011, 06:00:46 PM »
Can you tell that I'm studying Dietrich Bonhoeffer's life?

Here's a quote of his that so applies to my life right now.


"It is the characteristic excellence of the strong man that he can bring momentous issues to the fore and make a decision about them. The weak are always forced to decide between alternatives they have not chosen themselves."

Dietrich Bonhoeffer

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietrich_Bonhoeffer
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« Reply #1379 on: October 09, 2011, 11:33:06 AM »
ah... tt?

My hubs and his sibs also have "hit the wall" on settling his mom's small estate - paralysis. The reasons for it were different, and it seems that the logjam was solved by one's sibs immediate needs. We're hoping to deal with the bulk of it in the upcoming week or two.

The reasons were sort of denial; a desire to not face yet again the grief and loss - the facts of MIL's death and perhaps personal points of regret and plain old human longing and pain. Dealing with the logistics of "settling the estate" were just more than anyone was ready to handle. I had started out pointing out how simple it would it be - and decided to let it go when it became obvious that nothing would get done, until "push came to shove" by circumstances themselves. My "reminders" were being processed as a critical, negative judgement ... and that wasn't my intention at all. But I wasn't figuring in individual's capacity to think and act and decide in the midst of processing pain, either.

Turns out, in 3 hours or less, when hubs was finally able to face it himself... without walking on eggshells about his sibs' interpretation of his info gathering and putting things in motion... most of the easy parts were done. To everyone's relief, I might add. Yes, this all could've happened months ago. No, it wasn't a horribly complicated confusing legal process. Does it matter how it was accomplished or in what timeframe? Probably not in the same way to everyone involved. Would I have done it differently? You betcha!  ;)   Would that have been "better"? Who knows? But it just wasn't my place to do that.

It is a far different thing, when dealing with my Dad's estate and my brother. Even there, though... after 2 1/2 years... that estate isn't "closed" - and it's no one's fault and there is nothing anyone can do about it. We are at the mercy of the IRS.... and waiting... for "closure". The difference between the two processes, is that this wait is out of our control and doesn't affect life "going on" in the meantime. For hubs and his sibs - people were bending over backwards to be nice and patient and understanding with each other - perhaps in the extreme... until one's life was impacted and patience and practicality was run out.
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