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vunil

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« Reply #30 on: March 15, 2005, 03:51:53 PM »
That last post makes me think of the Eagle's song Desperado.  We should make new words:

Despera-narbro, why don't you come to your senses?
You've been out beating up fences, for so long now.
Well, you're an N one, but I know that you've got your reasons.
These things that are pleasin' you make you very irritating somehow.


[etc.]

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« Reply #31 on: March 15, 2005, 04:22:29 PM »
Hi vunil'
Your post made me think of 'Nowhere man' as in "he's a real narwhere man...."
Somebody else can fill in the rest. :D

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« Reply #32 on: March 15, 2005, 04:50:14 PM »
I don't think any changes need to be made to the lyrics.  So fitting of a N.

He's a real nowhere man
Sitting in his nowhere land
Making all his nowhere plans for nobody
Doesn't have a point of view
Knows not where he's going to
Isn't he a bit like you and me
Nowhere man please listen

You don't know what you're missing

He's as blind as he can be
Just sees what he wants to see
Nowhere man can you see me at all

Mia

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« Reply #33 on: March 15, 2005, 05:20:08 PM »
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Narbro actually gave me some work yesterday so maybe we are getting somewhere.  Also the work he dumped on me Friday was sitting in the completed basket Monday morning so he can't say I am too slow, which is one of his ridculously rubbish reasons why he gives new guy more work.  I will stay below the radar.


You realize, of course, that he'll find something else to complain about....

bunny

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« Reply #34 on: March 15, 2005, 07:54:29 PM »
Hey, I kind of got away from this post and down the other one.

Thanks, I guess, for reminding me that it will never be enough with Narbroro Man.  He says something to me today like  "oh you like me now?"   I said "your my brother.  I will always love you. " Didnt really want to get into a discussion about anything.  

It's funny or maybe not so, that after he hurls on everyone he thinks we were mean to him.  Somebody explain that one to me.

I guess I still have an awful lot to learn about this nar thing.  I hope I live long enough to figure it out. I want to be happy in life and usually am.  I want to be evolved and get the most out of everything.  i would like to have a half way decent relationshp with my family but not at my expense.
I hope to have a meaningful relationship with a non nar man.  But tempus is fugating and I may run out of time.   Just a thought.

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« Reply #35 on: March 15, 2005, 08:53:46 PM »
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after he hurls on everyone he thinks we were mean to him.  Somebody explain that one to me.


Projection. He is mean but twists it around so that the other person was mean to him. He's behaving like a 4-year-old who doesn't want to own up to something. He quickly turns it around so the meanness and badness belong elsewhere. What I call "tossing the hot potato" so he doesn't have to feel something painful.

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« Reply #36 on: March 15, 2005, 09:21:12 PM »
That's it Bunny! Exactly it.  Tossing the hot potatoe.  I have been feeling that a very early memory is coming up for me...not real clear, but it's a frustration at having things turned on me when I KNEW very well that my meaning was clear and my opinion was valid...but I was silenced, had my words twisted by someone very jealous of me. One of my sisters (N ish) would do this to me. I always thought my exN reminded me of her (at least when we were little kids!...she has, for the most part grown out of it, my ex is still 6 years old!)
Bliz brought it up.....the "why are you mean to ME?  Look what you did to me...you're really the bad person.." after they have just kicked the S...t out of someone!  Yes.  This is making sense.
The sheer frustration of it all!

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« Reply #37 on: March 15, 2005, 09:34:46 PM »
Holy crap! I am sitting here crying like a baby. I think I uncovered something.  I need to talk to my therapist about it.
I'm really sorry if I "hijacked" something.  I'm not meaning to...just have to get this out.
I'm young. Pre-school perhaps.  I am the baby of the family.   I am resented, I think,  by one of my sisters.  She is 3 years older than me, and there is another sister between us.
I think I am held down, screaming and swinging wildly at someone.  I know I am so frustrated! I feel so powerless and small and weak.   Dont' know who....but I am not believed, some story is twisted against me, and I am told to be nice.  I KNOW I am nice, and that I just got a whif of injustice.
Ok, I can't go there yet.  This is  really hard.  WOW. I'll have to sit with this.

Maybe this is nothing.  But early on, I learned to allow angry people to silence me.  I learned to make everyone happy and not rock the boat.

It has driven my choices my whole life.  I don't hate that part of me, really. It is also what makes me a kind teacher and mother, and keeps me compassionate. I know what pain is for people. I know they need to be treated well.
But oh boy........what is this THING that just came up for me?

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« Reply #38 on: March 15, 2005, 10:09:48 PM »
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Maybe this is nothing.



No, it definitely seems like something...  If you are remembering it now, even in a fuzzy way, it's in your head, affecting you.

It sounds like a sad toddler memory.  I'm so sorry

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« Reply #39 on: March 15, 2005, 10:26:44 PM »
mum,

I'm sorry you are upset about the traumatic memory. We never know what is going to traumatize a child for decades. And unfortunately children can be pretty brutal at times (Lord of the Flies and all that). Hopefully this will open up some new options for you.

{{{ mum }}}

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« Reply #40 on: March 15, 2005, 11:00:02 PM »
Thanks so much, Bunny and Vunil.  I am actually kind of excited about this, now. I feel I am on a precepice (I know my spelling lacks...sorry)...
so I am not still sad or anything. I am finding my reaction to this memory very interesting.  There is something there.  It will come.  I really appreciate the responses...you know the old N victim thing, always thinking she's being selfish in simply speaking, never sure she's worthy of a response!  I know there are people here who have been through absolute brutality, so this little sibling thing may sound petty to someone else.
You guys are great.  Thank you.

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« Reply #41 on: March 16, 2005, 06:43:25 AM »
"I think I am held down, screaming and swinging wildly at someone. I know I am so frustrated! I feel so powerless and small and weak. Dont' know who....but I am not believed, some story is twisted against me, and I am told to be nice. I KNOW I am nice, and that I just got a whif of injustice.
Ok, I can't go there yet. This is really hard. WOW. I'll have to sit with this.
"

Mum, This IS something.  I have these memories too.  Not being held down, but I specifically remember when the tide changed as a child.  More and more credence was given to my next younger brother. All of a sudden the rules didnt apply to him.  He didnt have to do chores. He had football practice etc.  Often discounted for his lack of academic skills, now he was cherished for something (???).  

Gradually the rules were changing and I was no longer cherished for my abilities.  I was never truly cherished for just being me.  I think that is one of the saddest things about living in the Nar world.  You are not "Ok" as you are.  You must do this or be that ,to be loved.  Again, all about externals.  

I remember a specific incident in our driveway when I was about 16.  I dont remember exactly what happened but the oldest brother was getting away with murder.  Somehow I was blamed.  I pretty much threw a fit.  I remember it just came out.  It got people's attention.  

Maybe I should have raged more as a child.  I did not know what to do with my rage so turned it inward into destructive habits. (Be nice, don't make waves). In retrospect I can see my rage mounting from 16-18, my final years in the house.  My response to the anger was often to do more.  Get more honors in school, more school activities etc. By college I had run myself into the ground.

The sad thing is our efforts and being are still discounted today by the Nar family members.  As many  have said to me here, they will never change and we can only change ourselves to strengthen our boundaries and aquire new or more copoing skills.

Still something has to be done with the anger. Recognizing it must be the first step.  I know physical exercise has helped me alot. I am a runner and the training and general movement really help.  

Also  David Berneson's tool called , "The map of emotions".  Has anyone heard of it?  It's about allowing yourself and making space in your body to feel your emotions.  Often if I will do this exercise the emotion will be felt and released and I am back to centered.  Sometimes I just do a crazy witch dance to.  Setting the whole mood to music and dance.  Hey whatever works, right?

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« Reply #42 on: March 16, 2005, 09:29:33 AM »
Mum
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I know there are people here who have been through absolute brutality, so this little sibling thing may sound petty to someone else.


If it sounds petty, the person hearing isn't listening so well.

It doesn't matter so much what the actual event was: what matters is your reaction, your emotions, your thoughts, your interpretation, your perception and the way those things have shaped your thinking ever since.

Everyone's experiences are equally valid and important.

(((Mum))) (((Bliz)))