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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2005, 06:32:28 PM »
Hi Sunshine,

Glad you explained the change in names,

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I was wrong-he accidentily ran it over-within a week


Do they do anything 'accidentally'? Just my suspicious nature after years of observing behind the scenes N planning. Maybe it was too much trouble to feed. :shock:  :?

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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2005, 07:13:18 PM »
Hey Sunshine:

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Oh, Thank you. I just got a belly laugh myself. Maybe there is hope for me. (But I reallly do feel bad for the dog and his son-it is sad, but true.)


Oh yes!!!  There's plenty of hope for you, I think!!!
Nothing wrong with your sense of humour either!! :D

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 I did have a hard time laughing at HIS jokes. They always included hurting or degrading people.


GEE!  Just like he treats dogs eh?  No kidding.  No wonder you didn't laugh.

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Maybe it was too much trouble to feed.


Ya Mudpup!  Or maybe he couldn't get enough off it to satisfy himself! :evil:

I'm glad you're away from this.........thing............Sunshine.

You'll be much better off!  You'll see. (((((((Sunshine)))))))

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« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2005, 11:09:20 AM »
Hey, Sunshine 22 (love the name) is this a new name for the former "guest" who started the thread?
Dog story: awful and soooo very angry N (my ex.....same type)

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« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2005, 08:51:01 PM »
Some of his behaviors sound similiar to my ex's! The "driving 20 miles to see him" I always had to go to my boyfriends home also. He never could come to mine and stay over. The "Defensiveness" I could never comment on a mistake he made. I couldn't tease him, or joke around with him, and if he took something the wrong way, he'd cut me down at the knees
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Your post sounds exactly..i mean exactly like my b/f. Everything. To never been being pretty enough,young enough,thin enough smart enough,or good enough. To driving to HIS house. To stopping to do things for him (when i have worked for 9 hours and have to get home to my 6 year old)  If he didnt get his way he became just like a three year old child. You know sometimes i lughed at him and walked away! It drove him nuts!! It goes on and on. I have no idea why we stay with such men. I think for me its the money and the time and the energy iH ave givne this jerk. I have lent (given as i know i will never see the money again)  him more money then i care to say. Its scary. I have given him almost 5 years and i have spent countless hours in trying to make something "work" for us. I too thought i was losing my mind,BUT I have always been very strong.But not strong enough,since i let myself day afdter day get stuck into such a horrible situation... My Mother,brother,and grandmother are all N's. My Motther is the worse. Living with her was not something words could discrible The only thing to do is to GET AWAY...They are sick.....
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« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2005, 06:40:06 PM »
Sunshine....
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I know throwing papers at someone can sound like only petty behavior.
But it can also be the beginning of a dangerous escalation.


I don't know who wrote that but it's true.  I thought my relationship with my ex was getting "closer" but it was steadily becoming more violent. As I was further under his control he ripped me apart emotionally and physically.

I now have a restraining order and a pending court case. If I hadn't been such a mouse I should have kicked his sorry ass the first time.  But I CHOSE to stay and took it. And it never gets better.

Since we HAVE FEELINGS, we forgive, try to forget, go back, placate these people cuz god forbid we upset their world. They don't care. And when they're done with us they move on.

I wake up each day with such a feeling of freedom now and my self esteem is not being beaten to death every day anymore.

All I know is once you're done and walk away, each day gets a little easier. One day you'll ask yourself what the hell were you doing with that man?

Keep on.

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« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2005, 09:48:48 PM »
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I wake up each day with such a feeling of freedom now and my self esteem is not being beaten to death every day anymore.

All I know is once you're done and walk away, each day gets a little easier. One day you'll ask yourself what the hell were you doing with that man?


YAY, Andrea!!!! I am so happy to hear that things are looking up!! You go, Girl!!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2005, 11:13:24 PM »
Sunshine, what you are describing is a classic emotional abuser. First he builds you up, then he knocks the props out from under you.

Why, why, why do you think he dropped you like a hot rock if a 'babe' came within range? If that man had loved you for a nanosecond, he wouldn't have considered any other woman on the planet. You would have been the only 'babe' he could see.

Please read The Verbally Abusive Relationship by Patricia Evans or look it up online, I think she has a web site now.

this man did not love you. He was gaming you. They bait the hook with a promise they never intend to keep.

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« Reply #37 on: April 17, 2005, 11:25:22 PM »
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It's only been 2 weeks since I left my N BF-and I need a fix!!


That's really what it was: a fix. Not love.  :cry:


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Everyday for 4 days in a row (I worked for him) I'd receive a cheerful "Hi Honey"-followed by a kiss. He would actually stop everything he was doing to greet me this way. I'D FEEL SO LOVED.  On the 5th day he'd say "Hi Honey-oh, you look pale, OR why are you wearing that, OR ughh, bad hair day, OR not enuf sleep last nite and on & on. He would then SKIP the kiss and walk away.


This is called "intermittent reinforcement." It's the most addictive kind of reinforcement and the most manipulative.


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I battle in my head. Doesn't being felt loved outweigh my personal insecurities? I need to be fixed-not him. Should I have not risen above the negative comments he threw at me? He was being who he was-strong. I'm the one who can't be me-I am weak.


If he loved you, he wouldn't do these jerk/sadistic behaviors.  This isn't about insecurity. It's about being brainwashed and manipulated by an N.

Keep posting and don't contact him. He is toxic to you!!!

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« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2005, 01:56:32 AM »
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Why do I feel that I need this trumoil in my life? Do I really believe that the reward is love? His love? Any love is better than no love?


Oh girl....I've said the same things to myself.

LOVE IS NOT A REWARD! I read somewhere that Love is a self-less GIFT.
 
And if you have to fight for it constantly, is it worth it? These guys make you practically beg for love and attention! Gosh, I've shut my mouth, never argued, pacified, complimented, stroked his ego, just so I wouldn't ruffle any feathers to keep him happy.

But he NEVER went out of HIS way to make me happy!

Honestly, I'd rather be single and ALONE now than put up with 10% affection when ALL OF US DESERVE 100%

Think of it this way....would you wear and "arm" of a sweater to keep warm? Bake a 1/4 of a pie for someone? Talk to someone and just walk away in the middle of the conversation? That's how these people treat us. Give you so much, then oops, Sorry! Got to go- something more important (ME) came up!

And lastly, honestly, when you start removing you self from the situation (which I know is hard cuz you work together) you will SEE the difference.
And NO YOU WILL NOT MISS THE TURMOIL.  Your eyes will be open and see how much crap you have put up with. And you're going to wonder how you did it!

And then one night, you will sleep peacefully-and alone. And that will be the best night of sleep you've known in a looooooong time.

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« Reply #39 on: April 18, 2005, 07:05:56 AM »
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I stopped myself from running to him this weekend. I actually had visions of me telling him he IS always right, he IS the wise person in our relationship. Had I done this, he would have congratulated me on my understanding of how things should be, that I have the problem-not him. I WOULD HAVE FELT LOVED---for awhile anyway.....



You may be right about your N, but some would respond differently, I  think.  Ns are very good at kicking you when you are down.  My Nmum wants me to apologise for something she did to me ( :lol: ) several years ago.  My dad, knowing the full situation, nonetheless told me to apologise to her, and let her say whatever she wanted to say for as long as she wanted, without responding back, and that, if I did that, eventually she would get over it and everything would be fine again.  He said 'it can't go on like this!' (Ie with me standing up for myself)

That is his way of dealing with marriage to an N.  I politely declined to behave in this way.  And it has gone on like that.  I don't allow lies without comment, although often just gentle comment, or laughter.  I don't go out of my way to abuse my Nmum, but I don't pander to her either.  She controls everyone else around her, but she does not control me in the same way.  There is an element of control as long as I carry on visiting, but it is much more limited, and it is there as an alternative for anyone with the eyes to see it.

So perhaps, just perhaps, if you had gone back to your 'friend', he would have taken a very aggrieved stance, and said something along the lines of 'Sorry is not enough.  You have really hurt me; I am not sure I can ever forgive you.'  Ns like us to grovel in the dirt for them, so they can step on us, and wipe their shoes clean.  Then they want us to say 'thank you'.

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« Reply #40 on: April 18, 2005, 11:26:50 AM »
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LOVE IS NOT A REWARD! I read somewhere that Love is a self-less GIFT.

Wow, I don't think I've ever seen this written as concisely as you did.  I really do look at things that if I'm "good enough" maybe one day I will get the "prize" of being loved.  Its hard to recognize what that would look like, because I don't think that I've ever really felt loved.  Not as in getting a gift of love or being loved for who I am.  Mostly the messages I've gotten were that I was "tolerated" despite who I was.

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And if you have to fight for it constantly, is it worth it? These guys make you practically beg for love and attention! Gosh, I've shut my mouth, never argued, pacified, complimented, stroked his ego, just so I wouldn't ruffle any feathers to keep him happy.

It isn't just guys who act this way.  "Women" act this way as well. :(  I have tried to appease my wife, but that just continues the same situation on and on.

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But he NEVER went out of HIS way to make me happy!

Honestly, I'd rather be single and ALONE now than put up with 10% affection when ALL OF US DESERVE 100%

I feel the same way, but why is is SOOSOOOOOO hard to just get up and leave this situation?

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Think of it this way....would you wear and "arm" of a sweater to keep warm? Bake a 1/4 of a pie for someone? Talk to someone and just walk away in the middle of the conversation? That's how these people treat us. Give you so much, then oops, Sorry! Got to go- something more important (ME) came up!

Yes, if there is anything else that my wife wants, she goes for that first.  Only when no one else is around and she is feeling generous does she bother to realize that I am there.  I am a "thing" to be used for its utility to her.

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And lastly, honestly, when you start removing you self from the situation (which I know is hard cuz you work together) you will SEE the difference.
And NO YOU WILL NOT MISS THE TURMOIL.  Your eyes will be open and see how much crap you have put up with. And you're going to wonder how you did it!

And then one night, you will sleep peacefully-and alone. And that will be the best night of sleep you've known in a looooooong time.

Promise?
longtire

- The only thing that was ever really wrong with me was that I used to think there was something wrong with *me*.  :)

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« Reply #41 on: April 18, 2005, 12:30:18 PM »
Andrea said:

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Since we HAVE FEELINGS, we forgive, try to forget, go back, placate these people cuz god forbid we upset their world.


When I was a child I watched & learned from my mother. She was so kind, so gentle-never wanted to rock the boat.

My father owned his own business.  He kept mom at hom -"barefoot & pregnant" (10 kids). Dad always had a smile on his face, was always happily whistling a tune.  He was handsome, funny, a real people person, and he loved kids. He was so active with us, playing games, taking us fishing,etc.

However, that was during the day. That was in public. The public didn't know what we knew.

Us kids would be awakened in the night by the sounds of a man's angry voice. When we got up my mon, trying to hide the tears, would be taping together a lamp or something. He never hit her, but he threw things and made her cry. My Dad, would be happy and cheerful, as he kissed us all good-bye for the day. Mom would make up excuses for what had happened.

I have memories of my dad calling my mom a whore-she was home always with a baby, there was no way on God's green Earth this would have even been possible. My dad however, would be out getting all sorts of attention from the ladies all day long. The benefits of having your own business, I guess. I would be so embarassed when he'd flirt in front of me.

I learned at a young age to keep my dad happy(and all future men possibly?)-I didn't want to get yelled at. I always blamed my mom when I was little. What was she doing to make my dad so mad? I'd pray "please mom, just be quiet and daddy will love you-don't make him mad".

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Andrea wrote:
LOVE IS NOT A REWARD! I read somewhere that Love is a self-less GIFT.

longtire wrote:
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen this written as concisely as you did. I really do look at things that if I'm "good enough" maybe one day I will get the "prize" of being loved


I loved my dad. He was fun. I felt I understood him. I tried really hard to make him proud of me. I would never do anything wrong. I wanted his love.

I learned that being perfect, is of course, not possible. I have suffered from an anxiety disorder for years, a by-product of my quest for "perfect".

And today, who am I angry at?? My mother! For not teaching us girls to be strong. I still feel sorry for dad. Yes, I'd say he too was a N.

I did recognize in early adulthood that my parents relatioinship was not healthy. I swore I'd never be with a man who was like my dad. I gagged when I heard the comments "girls often marry someone like dad". Not me, I thought. I wouldn't even date guys who had dark hair (like dads). I ended up marrying an alcoholic, but hey, dad did not drink.

Well, when I met my N BF he owned his own business. He had dark hair, was fun and alwalys had a smile on his face. He loved kids and was a real people person. Talk about "going full circle"......

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« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2005, 02:40:22 PM »
Sunshine22, there are a few things that really stick out at me from your last few posts.

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When I was a child I watched & learned from my mother. She was so kind, so gentle-never wanted to rock the boat. ...  Dad always had a smile on his face ... The public didn't know what we knew. Us kids would be awakened in the night by the sounds of a man's angry voice. ... He never hit her, but he threw things and made her cry. My Dad, would be happy and cheerful, as he kissed us all good-bye for the day. Mom would make up excuses for what had happened.  I have memories of my dad calling my mom a whore ...  My dad however, would be out getting all sorts of attention from the ladies all day long. ... I would be so embarassed when he'd flirt in front of me.


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And today, who am I angry at?? My mother! For not teaching us girls to be strong. I still feel sorry for dad. Yes, I'd say he too was a N.


I read that and then reread this from another earlier your post:

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Why do I need the FIX of him telling me I am unworthy, insecure, jealous, not able to trust, and a person that he "has to lie to because the truth only upsets me"??Why do I feel that I need this trumoil in my life?


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But the battle in my head isn't over yet. Over & over for 20 years, I listened to the fact that alcoholism is a disease. How can you leave someone who is ill? So, I start to feel guilty for this poor soul who has been cursed with the illness of NPD. I feel I need to forgive him and show him the care and understanding that any 6year old needs to grow.


And the following just keeps coming back at me:

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And today, who am I angry at?? My mother! For not teaching us girls to be strong. I still feel sorry for dad. Yes, I'd say he too was a N.


It seems to me that you relate yourself to your mother and the guy to your father, and you feel "unworthy" and you feel sorry for the guy.  I think it might be time for you to forgive your mother and yourself and stop feeling so sorry for your father and the guy.

LM

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« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2005, 10:08:01 PM »
Sunshine,
Good news all around.  Sounds like you have found a therapist with whom you have rapport and comfort.  Sounds like s/he also is quite familiar with the N personality.  My T has taught me so much and helped me to understand how I ended up accepting these kind of men into my life.  My T says even if you can get an N to therapy, they very rarely stay because they aren't willing to do the work necessary (or do they see the need to) to heal.  My N H sees a therapist who only deals with his external issues so he is OK with that.  When he saw my T when we were in couples counseling, he ran away as quickly as he could (and tried to charm his way through the few sessions he did go to).

Good for you.  I'll keep sending good thoughts your way.

Hugs,

Brigid

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« Reply #44 on: April 20, 2005, 03:43:52 AM »
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I think it might be time for you to forgive your mother and yourself and stop feeling so sorry for your father and the guy.
I realize now that the above statement of mine was rude and I truly apologize for that.

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I don't want to be a victim anymore.

And I will forgive my mother (and myself) when the time is right.
Yes you will.

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Years of being told to feel sorry for people doesn't go away that easy.

And years of brainwashing (being told or manipulated into believing I was worthless), or whatever it is these men do to you, just doesn't go away overnight either.
You are right.

You have a lot of understanding of what is going on and this therapist sounds like someone who can really help you work through all this.  Again I apologize for my insensitivity and rudeness.  

I can relate to how knowing these things and feeling them can be two different things.  Some I think it's a struggle that does continue on I don't know maybe forever.  I'm not saying that to try to be discouraging.  But it's an issue and struggle that continues because there is usually always someone around who feeds it.  I don't know if I'm making a whole lot of sense here with what I'm trying to say, can anyone help me out here?

LM