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« Reply #15 on: April 23, 2005, 06:05:24 PM »
Stormy:

I also had a long term realtionship with a girlfriend of 18 years.  I was supportive of her, helped her when she had no job, babysat for her children and it was also a one way street.  

The last straw came when I had the memorial service for my now deceased n husband.  She came to the memorial ok, but instead of supporting me........she took me to the side and started in on a major issue that was affecting she and her new husband.  I was aghast at  her insensitivity.  I slowly began to back out of the realtionship because it was only going to continue at my expense.  As long as she lived in the same town, it was convenient enough for  her to visit.  However, just like  you when she moved about 3 hours away, I was the one to visit and  make the calls.  I  have not heard from her in about 5 years.  

You need to let this relationship go.  There is no use in asking these folks for any support because they cannot give it.  They would have done so by now.  Also deciding not to decide about abusive situations is a decision within itself.  It is not only a sin of commission but of omission as well.

Unfortunately, I have found the only way I can protect myself is to contantly keep my antenna up for Nissh behaviour.  Does this make me hyperviligant.  No.  It just makes me more aware of my environment and the people in it.  

Patz

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« Reply #16 on: April 23, 2005, 06:41:39 PM »
Hi, Storm (and gang!)--

When I responded to your post on the other thread I didn't know you had started this one.  Cool.  Here we are :)

I guess it's clear I can relate to everything people are saying here.  There is some sort of loyalty thing that happens in friendship-- Bunny is right it is delicate.  But you sort of have to know they are there for you, in some sort of fundamental way.  I feel all the little and big "shrugs" of the friends in each  of our stories who, when we told them of deep pain, basically said back to us "so what?"  Screw that.

Mudpup, I have been thinking about your very logical question a lot today (before I even read it).  My borderline of all borderline friends called me yesterday, utterly distraught over something that is utterly her fault (she wants fertility treatments but can't afford them, and can't afford to raise the child she does have, and doesn't have a job or health insurance, even though she could easily have either).  She wanted to talk at length about everything she is going through.  I went through horrible treatments for  a year and a half and she never asked about them, never supported me through them, never was anything but dismissive of me.  In fact, when I went through the worst part she disappeared for three months, only to call me out of the blue one day and say "you have no idea what I've been going through."

So, nutshell, she's awful.  But today driving around I remembered that a great, sweet, wonderful friend I have told me that the BPD friend was mean and crazy a long time ago.  She told me that BPD lady had insulted her repeatedly and she didn't want to be around her.  What did I do?  I kept hanging out with the BPD friend and didn't spend as much time with my other friend.

Why?  Well, I am not sure (craziness cannot be explained) but I think it had to do with the fact that my BPD friend is beautiful and exciting and fun.  I liked the glamour of it.  It was a very sex in the city friendship, glamourous, parties, men, whatever.   In fact, imagine carrie on sex in the city and that's kind of like my BPD friend.

And at some level maybe being with people who truly love us in a deep way feels scary when we've been so injured? It's easy to be with shallow cynical selfish people who are "fun."  

And maybe at some level when we hear them insult our judgments, this confirms what our inner voices are telling us (we are wrong, confused, not being fair, etc.) and it all sounds "true."

For what it's worth, I am going to apologize to my wonderful friend as soon as possible and I'm not taking any more calls from BPD lady.  And I have cultivated the good friendship back to its previous level, or better, to my relief.

Boy am I long-winded.  Sorry.

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« Reply #17 on: April 23, 2005, 06:43:52 PM »
Wow, mum. Wow, Patz.

These folks seem to be about as prevalent as Ns. I am sorry that you've had this stuff too, but I am very glad I put up that post.

I have been so totally puzzled by this situation. People who can do such good where others are concerned, who have seen me come to their aid countless times, yet sit on their hands and go into a snitty sulk when I ask them to stand up for ME.

Time to say bye-bye for sure. I don't think these folks are N, I think they're just wimps, and N-ablers for sure, just as mud said.

I hope and pray that all of us here find loyal and staunch friends - in realspace as well as here in cyberspace. thanks mud for that idea. and thank God for this board.

Stormy

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« Reply #18 on: April 23, 2005, 07:10:24 PM »
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My take on this issue is that my sis had cheated on my BIL  several times, early in the marriage.  If they were to condemn my ex for his behavoir, what would that say?


Hey mum, one thing it suggests is that your sis is pretty derned N herself, and your BIL is in serious need of calcium supplements to regrow his backbone. Is she ***still*** cheating on him, mayhap?

Birds of a feather and all that.

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« Reply #19 on: April 23, 2005, 07:43:32 PM »
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today driving around I remembered that a great, sweet, wonderful friend I have told me that the BPD friend was mean and crazy a long time ago.  She told me that BPD lady had insulted her repeatedly and she didn't want to be around her.  What did I do?  I kept hanging out with the BPD friend and didn't spend as much time with my other friend.

For what it's worth, I am going to apologize to my wonderful friend as soon as possible and I'm not taking any more calls from BPD lady.  And I have cultivated the good friendship back to its previous level, or better, to my relief.


This is terrific Vunil, I'm so glad you were able to reclaim that good friend. You're just proving all the good stuff I said to you in the other post on the other thread  :D  :D . Sorry I didn't see this post sooner!

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« Reply #20 on: April 23, 2005, 07:47:09 PM »
Hi vunil and everyone,

I guess I get it a little better. Probably one of those 'you have to go through it to really understand it' things.

And vunil,
I think only women and gay men watch 'sex in the city'
so I really couldn't put a face to your friend. This carrie's a hot little number, no? :wink:

mudpup

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« Reply #21 on: April 23, 2005, 08:13:32 PM »
Mudpup,
Your questions are logical, but I have no reasonable answers.  I think it boils down to (at least for me) that I don't feel worthy of complete and equal relationships and I was loved so little for most of my life that if someone does or pretends to just a little bit, I latch on and am afraid to let go.  If I have learned nothing else, it is my great fear of abandonment and my willingness to do most anything to not lose that tiny image of love and caring.

Really sad I have to admit, but true nontheless.

Bunny, you are absolutely correct about my friend and her fears.  Several times during the last 20 months she has told me that I am living her worst nightmare.  I hope she never actually has to live it because then she will find out how important your friends really are.

Mum,
I totally understand your position with your BIL.  I would feel the same way.  I personally could not maintain a relationship with a friend who was cheating on their spouse or in any way abusing or abandoning their family.  I guess it comes down to character.  I cannot associate myself with people who do not have character and integrity.

I would agree with Stormy (I assume that was you because of your identifying asterisks) that your BIL is weak and spineless to choose your exH as a friend.  Even before my H had his affair, etc., he would have chosen to be friends with someone like that and would have told me I was too judgmental if I chose not to.

Vunil,
Good for you to start seeing what a good friend should "look like."  Hopefully we are all getting wiser as we move forward.

Mudpup again,

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I think only women and gay men watch 'sex in the city'


Guilty as charged.  It is one of my guilty pleasures.   :wink:

Brigid

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« Reply #22 on: April 23, 2005, 08:44:39 PM »
Hi Vunil,

You're making the right decision to reunite with your non-disordered friend. I hope you guys will have some good times together.  :)

bunny

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« Reply #23 on: April 23, 2005, 10:22:43 PM »
Hi Brigid and everyone,

I hope my questions didn't sound judgemental.  :oops:
Its just that when I see an N now, I head for the hills as fast as my little feets will carry me.
To someone who wasn't raised by N parents it would seem like the people least likely to get tangled up with them again would be those tormented by their own parents. I would figure anyone with an N parent would be blowing by me like the Roadrunner toward those Nless hills.
I'm sorry how they mess up your perception of what love or a healthy relationship is. And I hope everyone here can find someone who will love them right.

I don't know if it helps any, but you guys all seem like some of the most lovable people I've ever met.  :D

Take care everyone.

mudpup

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« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2005, 10:52:06 PM »
Stormy ( I ****think****): yup, this particular sis is decidedly Nish and her H an Nabler....no doubt.  She can be very sweet and she is trying to deal with a difficult situation with her addicted daughter, but for me, and probably most of us here, whose pain came from NOT thinking of ourselves first, it's a little hard for me to hear her talk about finally "taking care of her needs".  Um, that's all she ever did, from what I can tell.

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« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2005, 11:08:46 PM »
Hi GFN,

I had a question,
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I spare her feelings, which is the Christian thing to do.


Is it always?
If sparing her feelings prevents her from knowing how wrong her behavior is, is it the Christian thing to do?
Jude said "save some with compassion, but make a distinction and save others with fear." Maybe a little fear brought about by a flash of righteous anger from you would save her from harming people she professes to care about. Maybe?

mudpup

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« Reply #26 on: April 24, 2005, 09:14:14 AM »
Vunil is absolutely spot on, when we are raised by NPD or BPD or whatever people, we tend to attract and be drawn to similarly ill individuals. It feels like home, and even if home was a screaming nightmare, it's still the only home we've ever known.


Mudpup...To me this makes perfect sense but only after my T told me I had married my mother!  I couldn't have made a dynamic like this up.... :shock:  My Mom was an extreme N and my Dad made nice-nice and was not home a lot.  My brother self-isolated and so I was left to take care of things and try to make every day a 5 on a 1-10 scale.  That was my value to my family and I learned that "taking care of" neurotic people or just dysfunctinal people was what I did well.   I tended to gravitate toward people and situations that valued my "caring".  Normal, healthy people puzzled me and probably scared me as well since I had not had any real experience with any.  Fast forward many years and I meet Mr. Entitlement.  I am successful on the outside but on the inside, same old same old.  I offer up what I think I am best at and he latched on.  Married 23 years and I always thought his behaviours were my fault which was the same driving force in my family or birth...It was their way of keeping me hopping to make them happy.  I've only been working on this for a year and a half now...and I'm much wiser now and not hopping so fast...hope this helps.

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« Reply #27 on: April 24, 2005, 09:44:30 AM »
Storm:

Sounds like you are doing the right thing by distancing yourself from these folks.

You had a lot of time invested in these friendships so I'm sure it's not an easy decision to make.

This couple appears to act situationally.  In my opinion one stands for what is right all the time (consistently) and NOT just when it appeals to one's comfort level or when it will make one look like a hero.
Such people lack character.  Your *friends* learned early that they could slight you here and there and you would still be sticking around.  They took advantage of you. They consciously chose not act in a righteous manner. A good friend will always say, "I've got your back".  Everyone has lapses in judgement but to continually *diss* you as they did is offensive and hurtful. If it were me I know I wouldn't be able to trust them.

I'm sorry you were treated so unfairly.

If it offers any comfort you have plenty of cyber friends here.
:D
Mia

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« Reply #28 on: April 24, 2005, 02:35:46 PM »
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Storm: If it offers any comfort you have plenty of cyber friends here. :D


It is a tremendous comfort, Mia! ((((())))).

I was thinking this morning (en route to church) that I'd misspoken myself when I posted to Vunil that I wasn't getting good folks in my life now that I am moving less-good-intentioned folks out. I was thinking only of realspace, and even there, I now have this church to go to.  

Meanwhile here in cyberspace I've met the most incredible bunch of people. We joke, laugh, cry, argue, forgive and are forgiven, compare perspectives and respect one another's beliefs. A group dynamic I have never seen on this scale, really. Only cheap counterfeits of it presented by Ns as bait.

Do you remember the children's book "The Velveteen Rabbit"? What the leather horse tells the bunny... that it takes a long time to become real, and by the time you do, you may be looking pretty shabby on the outside, but that doesn't matter, because the one who truly loves you sees only what you really are?

Here are a lot of people seeking with all their heart and soul and mind and strength to become real, and as far as I'm concerned we most definitely are. Cyber or not. And the One who truly loves us must be absolutely delighted for our sakes.

Gonna quit there. Getting maudlin again.

Storm

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« Reply #29 on: April 24, 2005, 03:13:16 PM »
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Stormy ( I ****think****): yup, this particular sis is decidedly Nish and her H an Nabler....no doubt.  She can be very sweet and she is trying to deal with a difficult situation with her addicted daughter, but for me, and probably most of us here, whose pain came from NOT thinking of ourselves first, it's a little hard for me to hear her talk about finally "taking care of her needs".  Um, that's all she ever did, from what I can tell.


Yep, mum, that *****was***** me  :oops:  :oops: but someone else here has Asterisks Syndrome too. Dogbittles maybe. I was so tickled to see them in someone else's posting. As long as they aren't contagious.

I'm kind of on a snarky roll here, so I'll just say - naah, she wasn't taking care of her needs. She was indulging her urges, which is quite another thang.

I mean, cheatin' on yo' hubby is a "need"? Shyte.