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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2005, 07:27:27 AM »
Hello Storm and all. I have two roasting tins and two tin plates (“made in China”) that my grandmother used to cook with. Roast beef to apple pie to cheese on toast. Been using them for the same things for 20 odd years. Don’t see any reason to buy new stuff when the old stuff works. I don’t know how ‘we’ manage to ‘consume’ all the stuff I see in shops. I guess most people don’t like old stuff and want everything new and shiny. On credit. I find that really quite nuts, I can’t understand it. My Nan wasn’t a great cook but she was my role model so I like to use her stuff.

My breadboard is one I rescued from the broken-down derelict house where I used to spend time, ‘live’ I guess, with the man who I walked away from and have not ‘got over’. Every day I guess it chides me, or something. He’d left and I found it amongst the broken stuff so I kept it. It’s also quite useful, practical. Probably.

I have a few items my grandfather brought back from 'foreign parts' when he was on business. I stole/removed these from their house, when he was dead and my grandmother was living in a care home. I treasure those things. No-one else would know that they were/are important to me. Their son, my father, is a compulsive keeper of stuff, without discrimination. Obsessed in a bad way with old stuff. Broken stuff, rubbish, things that he doesn’t even know who they belonged to or what they are. Drives step-mother to distraction.

I have my parents’ wedding album. Dad gave it to me when I was pre-teen. I don’t like it. The people getting married are clearly not together. They’re both doing it for some spectacle, like film stars. I asked my mother once for her engagement ring to my father (she was showing me her jewellery…?) and she refused.

I have love letters from my 17 year old not-yet-mother to my not-yet-father (discovered and stolen/removed from grandparents’ house). I have love letters from both grandparents to each other. And a half-penny from 1868. And a Gold Sovereign that my grandmother’s brother sent back (literally) from the WW1 trenches, before he died there. She gave it to me saying she’d know I’d look after it. She didn’t give it to my father?

When my step-father died, mother mentioned that perhaps she should give his ring (which was his mother’s) to his daughter by his first marriage. I said I thought that would be appropriate. I was shocked beyond words the next time I saw her, to see her wearing it. Like she’d appropriated his image, had swelled herself up with his personality, was feeding somehow. She carries his photo in her (man’s) wallet. She has never carried my photo. This is the man who “ruined her life”. This is the man who verbally tortured her. This is the man who controlled her every move. She forgets that this was the man I had to live with. Sorry.

I have my past life in a box, diaries, writings, photos, letters. I have many letters from my mother and father, sent to me from each others’ houses. I guess invading each other’s houses through me. People stick stuff through a hole in my house, I find that intrusive, don’t you? US-style box-on-a-post letterboxes are so much better.

It’s all tat. Other stuff I chuck out, although I do have every salary advice I’ve earned. (I can defend that little pile, quite illogically.) And I’m beginning to see how I’ve accepted the role as the repository for all the paternal family’s stuff. Another responsibility. What a responsible child I must have been.

Thanks Stormchild. Anything of interest/similarity for you there? Why are they ‘transitional’ objects (what does that mean please?).

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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2005, 07:31:40 AM »
Forgot to add:  You still hang on to stuff b/c things you're parents were stingy towards you after making promises to be otherwise.  You are afraid to let anything go b/c you don't think you'll be fortunate enough to get a *replacement* for them.  So you cling to things for dear life.  You tend to hoard things since you were constantly denied love and affection from Mom and Dad.

(I do realize I could be completely off base)

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2005, 07:53:07 AM »
it's just that this is very much not about materialism, but that's what almost everyone seems to be thinking about in response to it.

Maybe not materialsm but acquisitiveness.  Why do we like to acquire and keep what we do.   I've tried to hold on to a house which is the ultimate in materialsm but has little to do with why I do it.  If I could keep it, it meant I had a family past and present since we have owned it for almost 50 years.  It was my ultimate attempt to make everything alright.  Even though my n mom lived there, my present family could live there now and there would be music and laughter.  Hasn't worked out that way ... but in coming to terms with the fact that I couldn't keep it, I learned the real reason I wanted to.  Bittles

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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2005, 08:50:33 AM »
The owl story broke my heart also.  How can parents be so cruel.  Oh, yea, (slapping forehead), their own sad upbringing.

I am a lover of all things old.  Have an old  house, similar to one I grew up in.  Even as a child, new houses left me cold.  Like antiques, all things Victorian, 50's memorabilia, Indian artifacts.  History in general.  I do seem to have some longing for the past but it is beyond my lifespan so not sure where it comes from

Drive a 10 year old car and not particularly hung up on possessions as far as acquiring all the latest and greatest everything.  Stereo is over 30 years old.  Guess I am what some people would call a throwback.

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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2005, 10:30:47 AM »
I treasure my grandfather's tools and some of the things I drew/made way back in pre-school.  I also treasure pictures and videos of my daughter when she was little.

I also tend to hoard things and information for the day when "I might need them."  This definitely comes out of a scarcity mentality from my childhood.  I alwyas had things then, but not closeness which is what I really wanted.  I have been slowly cleaning things out and throwing away anything that I haven't used in the last year.  That is most of the junk that I have accumulated!  I am also taking the opportunity of my upcoming move to go through things as I unpack and toss anything that I no longer need.  A fresh start feels good!
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2005, 10:56:17 AM »
Hi - can't stay long, have to be somewhere today and need to get ready - wanted to check in though, say thanks. thanks everyone - this is really interesting 'stuff' being shared & thought through.

Transitional object is psychspeak... it applies to stuff like a kid's 'security blanket' or favorite teddy bear, the things a child holds on to as he or she ventures away from being a child. Since a lot of my 'trash treasures' are from my childhood the term seems appropriate.

I'm not exactly a hoarder, either. I moved coast to coast and twice transatlantically and all my stuff still fits into a smallish removal van. Furniture isn't buried under cartons and clutter, closets aren't rubbish tips.

It's just certain things, with really strong emotional tags on them. Not all related to my folks... several pieces of cat furniture that I still have, one even older than the 22 y.o. condo I mentioned.

But yeah, they all give me a feeling of having been safe and loved once, somewhere by someone, or at least of having thought I was. Hmmm.

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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2005, 11:03:53 AM »
(((((Oh, bittles.  What a terrible memory to have to carry.)))))

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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2005, 11:17:58 AM »
(((((((((((((((((Bittles)))))))))))))))))))))))

You're Mother sounds much like mine.  Everybody loved her at work and church, etc....if they only knew what went on behind closed doors. Material things were always more important than her children.  Unless of course they were ours.  I came home home many times and found much of my bedroom thrown out the window...2 stories down!  One time she cracked me with a wooden vase for talking during her soap and broke my wrist, to this day she denies that.  Anyway, lets' say it wasn't a happy home life, to which I rebelled.   I forgave her many years ago for what she did to me as I felt pity for her, thought her heart must of been a cold, dark and lonely place.  I have had a hard time of letting go with how she treated my father.  Now she is elderly and can show the love we so desperately wanted as children to her grandchildren.  She was a pack-rat as well held onto many things which to most were meaningless.  Funny, today I find very little meaning in posessions and seek more for the meaning in feelings....does that make sense?

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« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2005, 12:09:15 PM »
What a sad thread this is, because its not about the objects at all.
Its sad that so many people only have little keepsakes to remind them of the few pleasant memories they have from childhood, or keepsakes that remind them of the things they wished they could have, and maybe still hope for, even now when they know its impossible.
Or even worse things that remind them of how bad things were. Like little owls and wooden vases and broken figurines used to hurt little children by selfish 'adults'.

Off the top of my head I can think of virtually nothing I have kept with me from my childhood. Maybe because I had a relatively happy one?

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« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2005, 02:03:35 PM »
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Off the top of my head I can think of virtually nothing I have kept with me from my childhood. Maybe because I had a relatively happy one?


I can't either.  I would describe my childhood as happy too.

On the flip side of the coin:  I have been saving things for my kids and putting together memories (scrapbooks, journals, etc).  Hmmm...wonder if I'm overcompensating b/c I feel guilty that I gave them a N Dad?

Mia

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« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2005, 03:01:39 PM »
OMG, N!  It happened to someone else!!!  I don't know how you forgave her especially if she denied it happened.  I was scared of my mother for as long as I can remember and until the day she died.  She was 86 and I was 47.  I've never been as scared of someone  except for my husband.  It wasn't so much "what" happened but it was, at least for me, the absolute denial of my memories of it, My Reality!    I have to go think about this.  And, thank you for sharing.  It has been a leap of faith at times to acknowledge she was sick and not that I was a bad kid.  I was really a pretty good kid!  But when your parent does something like that to you, I carried around doubt about myself which my husband used quite skillfully to keep me in line.  So, the cycle continues but I'm breaking it now...sorry, I am rambling.  Thank you again.

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« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2005, 06:08:42 PM »
Quote from: dogbit
...sorry, I am rambling.


No, luv, you're healing.

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« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2005, 07:42:30 PM »
thank you guest

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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2005, 02:49:30 AM »
(((((Stormchild)))))  :)

Thanks for posting this thread.  There were two people, thank God, that I felt loved by as a child.  When they died I kept strange things that reminded me of them.  My dear Great Uncle used rubber bands to bind everything together.  To this day, he's been dead for 11 1/2 years, I can't throw away his rubberbands.  

My Baba (Grandmother) died about 5 years ago.  I keep one of her purses in a plastic ziplock bag because it preserves her scent.  I miss her scent.  I have a few other items from her, but everything with value was hoarded by her N children.  

I felt love from these people.  Without them I would probably be dead.  Their little momentos are priceless to me.  I don't care if people think I'm wierd for saving rubberbands or preserving my Grandmother's scent.  I suppose I'm a sentimental girl.   :?  

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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2005, 08:13:42 AM »
Hiya Stormy,

I was attatched to "stuff" when I was a kid, in the sense that it had an emotional meaning for me. We didn't have many toys, so we were careful with what we had. I can still remember my 2 plastic horses I had when I was seven or eight years old. Blackie and Cocoa. (Blacky was made of wood and had a broken leg and Cocoa was made of plastic and had a broken tail. Didn't matter - I loved them!) I also loved my books, and even had favourite clothing: my "adventure shorts" which were worn on adventures obviously were NOT to be confused for any ordinary pair of shorts under ANY circumstances!  :lol:

When I was 12 yrs old my parents decided we would move to another country, and that remains one of the most traumatic experiences of my life. The move was sudden and badly organised. We were only allowed to take what we could carry in a suitcase. I was devastated - MY library, which I had built all by myself, was decimated. (I had maybe a hundred books and ended up taking maybe 12 - including comics) in total. Each and every book meant something to me (and they weren't all new, some had covers falling off when I got them ) they were my treasures. The toys my kid brother and I had made ourselves (like a box that was REALLY a magic car) all gone. My "adventure" shorts? No room for those, so they were given away...

A huge part of my life was/is gone forever. There was no real monetary value to those things, it was what they represented. 2 years later my mother died, and my dad just left all her stuff in my room. Except, of course, that that wasn't MY room in any sense. It was a room that I slept in. 15 years after she died my dad moved and finally decided to do something about her stuff. He's still got her jewellry and her personal things, but the clothes THANK GOD are gone. The only thing of hers that I kept was a pair of her slippers that she really loved.

To this day (I'm now 30) I have never had a feeling of home. I have very few possessions and nothing of any financial value. The thing I value the most that I've picked up post adolescence is a mug I bought in Oxford in 1991 when I went there with a friend. That mug has travelled all over the world  with me and I never broke it. Then I moved back to this country (Holland) and lived with a woman who made my life a living hell for years. She was always "proud" of how non-materialistic she is while always wanting more and more STUFF, and getting into rages if "someone" used her things. I was ALWAYS careful with her things. Her boyfriend was doing the dishes one day and broke the ear off. She didn't even say "sorry". I've still got the mug.

I've tried buying stuff (like books) that I had when I was a kid, but it's not the same. I'm not really into receiving gifts either...

Sorry for the looooooooong raaaaaaaamble but I guess it's about the feelings that stuff represents. Thanks for starting this thread and letting me get some "stuff" of my chest,

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