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« Reply #45 on: June 06, 2005, 03:48:15 PM »
Oh, man, Cat!  This is the stuff that makes sensitive people just sooooo uncomfortable. I am so sorry.  Can you focus on: that you are getting OUT of that rotten situation, getting away from those people, having a better living situation, etc etc etc.  I would bet the only complaint these people would have is animal care related, and maybe this new situation doesn't involve that?  Think of the good things.....how strong you are, how you are no longer taking low man status, no matter what the looneys say, etc.  I know it's tough, believe me, when you are being attacked to stay positive and focused and strong.  Post here.  I think you are doing so well.  Stick with it, sister.
Sending you peace and power and good thoughts.  Let us know how things go.  Stay focused on what you want, not what you don't.

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« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2005, 09:17:29 PM »
<I wrote back apologizing - and stating I could no longer handle the stress of watching their animals. Felt the responsibility on my shoulders was too great with room for liability, and I was thinking of moving out August 1st.

The email back stated they'd like me to move out July 15th, as it would work better for them. They'd like to get someone in as soon as possible. They were sorry that I was not emotionally healthy! >

Yes....there are jerks all over the place!   They took your (unfounded) apology and rammed it down your throat, along with the (unnecessary) reason/taking blame that you were stressed out.  That was so rude! And so uncalled-for.

Take solace that there is no way that you could stay with these people, and they are just showing what they are made of.  And try to absorb this lesson, that I have been taught over and over;  do not give them the ammunition to slay you with.

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« Reply #47 on: June 07, 2005, 08:49:31 AM »
Oh Cat!

That was so mean of them!  That bites!  I'm sorry this happened.

I'm with mum in that Yay! for two less weeks of the stress, of their silly emails, of the work of caring for their animals, of trying to communicate with people who haven't got a clue!

Here's to a new, more comfortable place to live, a life away from these selfish, uncaring, totally self-centred bunch!   Here's to peace for you!!

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« Reply #48 on: June 07, 2005, 11:12:49 PM »
So I've found a place to move - but guess who has to give the payment history references? Yep - the people I'm moving away from.

Don't worry about that.  They cannot give out false information - if so you would have grounds to sue them.

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« Reply #49 on: June 13, 2005, 06:22:35 PM »
You were right!  They could only give good references, and I was approved.  It's been a little less than a week now since I was approved.  

Today I received an email from the landlords telling me I could continue renting and still stay at their place without caring for the animals. I knew that it might take a bit of time to realize what they had lost, but a week is not a long time!

Anyway, I will be moving, as requested, before the 15th.  The landlords are still out of town - so packing and cleaning will continue unhampered!  

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« Reply #50 on: June 13, 2005, 06:54:38 PM »
Great news, cat.

They'll be sorry they lost you.
Too bad the feeling won't be mutual. :twisted:  :wink:

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« Reply #51 on: June 15, 2005, 10:48:15 AM »
Thinking of you today Cat

And wishing you happiness and peace in your new abode!

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« Reply #52 on: June 17, 2005, 11:42:42 PM »
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I was just wondering if anyone know of any books or resources that deal with the topic of learning how to believe in yourself.


I've been grappling with a closely related issue, that of 'autonomy', and one book I just found that includes exercises on how to build one's automony (read: self-confidence, agency, belief-in-oneself) is:

The Real 13th Step, by Tina Tessina

As the title implies the book is oriented at people in the 12-step recovery programs, which the author sees tremendous value in for purposes of stopping destructive habits, but having the danger of replacing one addiction with another dependency, this time upon group-think, rather than one's own inner resources.  The author believes that the source of most/all addictions is the failure at a very early age (due to parenting) to develop natural skills for automony...the supported explorations from ages 3-8, where a child nervously ventures away (physically or emotionally) from the protective parent, and can run back to them for appropriate advice/comfort, to help deal with failture, uncertainty, until such time these inner resources are developed within the older child, young adult.

I'm generally familiar with the 12-step approach but never immersed in it, so the first couple of chapters weren't of direct interest, but when it shifts to the core questions of whether/how/why someone is autonomous (or not), the bells went off in recognition of the profound self-doubt I've been struggling with, both throughout my life, but even more so when I've realized the extent to which my birth-family has been warped by N-mother, and continues to be.  And not surprising, when many of our stories on this BBS relate the classic N patterns of being treated as an object/ends to the affected parent...that one core value children of N-parents learn is to be a 'family asset' (sort of property with obligation to the family, versus one's own right of self-assertion).

In my therapy, I was told that I may be in the midst of a much delayed (like 30+ years) of developing this autonomy.  That I can/should/will have the confidence to go forth, set achieve personal goals, etc, in a way that has been inhibited, until very recently as I've been confronting the realities of a N-mother.  But in that process, there is a huge amount of self-doubt, fear and anxiety (imagine the terror of the lost 3 year-old in a crowded party, when can't find way back to parent after venturing out...mapped onto a middle-aged guy...ain't pretty).

There are many exercises in this book that seem promising, I've not tried them yet, but even if you don't, I suspect just a quick skim of this book might be helpful.

And the good news...I think...that I hope to convey to you, and anyone else on this BBS who suffers from self-doubt, etc...is that faced with the circumstances we have been with NPD, simply the act of breaking out of that trap (in one form or another, even if just initial recognition of the problem) appears to be a solid example of autonomy (based on this books framework), and should make each of us proud of ourselves to have merely made the attempt, and in many cases, profound and important changes in our lives, in spite of the pain of the process.  The contrast/alternative is the life-of-quiet-desperation, that itself fosters all kinds of self-abuse, or propogation of this awful N-thing to another generation.  Just reading this book and reflecting on the tone/nature of nearly all the posts I've read on this BBS, seems this is a very solid way-station for folks who have already put some miles behind them on the road to autonomy.

BG

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« Reply #53 on: June 18, 2005, 06:40:33 PM »
BG: thank you for this resource. I will look into it. Your description of your journey sounds all too familiar....the finding of voice at a much later time in life... You said it very well.
And thank you for the encouragement that even the recognition of this, is a huge step toward healing.

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« Reply #54 on: July 18, 2005, 02:56:07 PM »
from Cat-Guesting

I finally moved out of the situation on July 13th (and it was such a relief) . . .until I get a call at 8p telling me to get back over and do some deep-cleaning.  Didn't answer the call - instead emailed them stating I would send $100 to get someone to clean out the bathroom and kitchen.

And I got another email back complaining things were left in a pig stye - etc and that they would hire someone to come in and clean.  Makes me wonder why they just couldn't leave enough alone.  Just graciously accept the $100 and get over it.  Things were not left like a  pig-stye.  The landlords came down all the time to cook (when their stove was broken) and to root through my Videos and DVD's to watch upstairs in their area.  Friends from work came over and have said the place was fine.  But, I think at this point, disagreeing with the woman now means that nothing was good enough.  I've now built a rule on the email address from her to automatically delete when I receive it.  They do not have my new address or phone number - only the cell and work number.  With caller ID I can avoid them.

It just is so frustrating to take the high-road when it is so very lonely.  The new place is wonderful!  I've got a trash bin, and a parking place. You'd think that would be a given - but you never know until you don't have them.

I know this frustration and anger will pass eventually - and it's easy to say - calm down than to actually calm down.  It's hard to read awful stuff about you - and then second guess yourself to see if you're really like that.  It is so helpful to be able to have wise-people as a sounding board - who really know you.

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« Reply #55 on: July 19, 2005, 09:03:38 AM »
Hiya Cat:

I'm so glad your move is over and you are away from that uncomfortable (to say the least) situation.  Good for you for blocking their calls, emails and screening the rest.  Now you can get on with your life in your new place.   I'm glad to hear it's wonderful!!  Very glad to hear that!!!

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It just is so frustrating to take the high-road when it is so very lonely.


Maybe you will meet some of the neighbours and that will help a little.  It is a change to go from living where people come into your place to use your stove, root through videos/DVD's on a whim to a place where you have your privacy and self-respect.   Will it help to try to think of this as ....now you won't have to put up with those kinds of interuptions/invasions?

For the record, I think you were very generous to care for those people's animals, home, etc, to worry the way you did when the dog got out, to spend your time and energy searching for the dog, to not respond angrily when they accused you of being away from the phone and when they failed to thank you for your effort, never mind appologise for their rudeness to you.  I think it was also generous of you to give them $100 for cleaning when things "were not left like a pig-stye" and very thankless and ignorant of them not to accept the money politely.  I think you showed self-restraint, not to give them a tongue lashing, when they "told" you "to get back over and do some deep cleaning".  I might have been tempted to suggest they deep clean their brain cells because they're plugged up with junk....not working properly....need to be freshened up. :mrgreen:

It hurts to lose people we thought were our friends.  I'm sorry for that hurt, Cat.  These people aren't your friends and certainly didn't treat you like a friend.   It seems like they treated you more like a servant.  So sorry for that Cat. :( :(  There are plenty of nice people in the world to be friends with.  You don't need friends like that.

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« Reply #56 on: July 23, 2005, 05:12:39 AM »
"Healing The Shame That Binds You" John Bradshaw


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« Reply #57 on: July 24, 2005, 12:05:41 AM »
When Hope Can Kill is essentially a workbook for finding yourself. The author repeats over and over again, there are no wrong answers. Although the author is writing to those in unhealthy relationships the workbook is for anyone who is searching to know themselves. Three-quarters of the book is a question and answer format with journaling.

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The Transformation of the Inner Man is a careful and slow read. Very good. I read it about 14 years ago. It literally transformed my life within 9 months.
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