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zeene

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Nervous Breakdown
« on: June 11, 2005, 08:51:39 PM »
A few years ago I had a nervous breakdown and ended up in the mental ward of a big hospital.  The psychiatrist was trying to diagnose me with some kind of mental disorder.  After my interview with him he called my N mother in to ask her some questions.

I found out that she had said that when I was younger I used to "make up stories".  This is not true.  A complete lie.  She was trying to make out that I was a schizophrenic or something.  She is a B**** (sorry about the swearing)

I would like to get a copy of my file to see what else she has said about me that isn't true.

Anyone else had a similar experience?  or like to add to this?

Cheers


Zeene

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Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2005, 02:28:05 AM »
Howdy zeene,

I had a similar experience with my exN.  He told so many lies about me but I had to wonder what people thought about him when we would get back together time after time.  If someone was to tell me that their significant other was blah blah blah, then they got back with them, I would wonder what the flipn hell was wrong with them.  

The only thing I can say that might make you feel better about this is that if that psychiatrist was worth the paper his M.D. was written on, he or she would have seen right through your mum.  I have worked with many psychiatrist in my nursing days that I tend to wonder about some of them.  However, I have also been witness to interviews with parents and the comments from the psychiatrist after the parents leave.  

I'm not so sure I would want to know what else my mum said if I were you.  I would venture to guess that she pulled every N trick in the book so she could do the projection dealio and also wiggle her way out of any responsibility for your mental fragile state.  

I don't understand how N's minds work but I sure the heck understand how they can crack a persons psychi.  Constant mind games is enough to drive anyone to the brink.  Tisk tisk, some people should never be blessed with children.
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« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2005, 02:58:26 AM »
this poem:

‘I knew it…’


Interminable demanding wears me down,
I cannot call my mind my own.
Never mind, I’m trying hard as I’m able.

When I crack you can comfort yourself with that frown,
Posture: ‘yes, she was always unstable…’

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I think there is a touch of the 'Munchausen by proxy' in a lot of ns- they get narcissitic attention from discussing their family members and feeling superior and in control.

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2005, 12:50:14 PM »
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I think there is a touch of the 'Munchausen by proxy' in a lot of ns- they get narcissitic attention from discussing their family members and feeling superior and in control.


I agree.  My Nmum talks about me all the time with other people, but never with me.  I get coded messages back, such as 'your mother thinks the world of you' and 'your mother is very concerned about you, and would do anything for you'.  Usually from women relations, but also from dad.  

Generally I respond with a wry smile.  Then I describe the actual behaviour that Nmum uses, and ask whether in their view this amounts to what they experienced with their own mother or how they bahave with their daughter.  Generally they see the point for a minute or two, then the denial clouds over the sun again, and they say the same things again.  A mother who does not love her daughter is just too hard for them to see.

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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2005, 01:15:06 AM »
A few years ago I had a nervous breakdown and ended up in the mental ward of a big hospital.  The psychiatrist was trying to diagnose me with some kind of mental disorder.  After my interview with him he called my N mother in to ask her some questions.

I found out that she had said that when I was younger I used to "make up stories".  This is not true.  A complete lie.  She was trying to make out that I was a schizophrenic or something.  She is a B**** (sorry about the swearing)

Anyone else had a similar experience?  or like to add to this?

Cheers
Zeene
Almost verbatim, except no hospitalization when I had a nervous breakdown in '77. She still tries to pin some diagnostic gobblydigook on me. When I got serious about therapy in 1988 my Nmother made sure she told my h that, "I had a great imagination. So don't believe anything she tells you."

Her newest diagnosis, "Maybe you're bipolar?" That was her response when I asked her about something she did.

Several times she 'suggested' I see a psychiatrist. The insinuation, "you must be crazy. No one else in the family has problems like you!"
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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #5 on: July 14, 2005, 01:43:16 AM »
hi zeene :}......   i was committed for a year when I was 16, becuase i ran away from home..

my father - the N - drank excessively and beat me up a lot as a teenager.. there was physical, verbal, emotional abuse and sexually inappropriate behavior....  finally i ran away from home.. he caught me and committed me for a year.

the only thing i was 'crazy' with was wanting to get away from my crazy family... :} but my father the N was -chief of staff- of the mental hospital i was in.

therefore, all of my 'doctors' were his subordinates.

he controlled every aspect of my 'psychiatric treatment' for a year.

therefore, he told them anything he wanted about me, and they alllll believed him...... to this day, it evokes a terror and an anger in me that is difficult to describe.

to this day the thought of people (especially him) telling others lies about me, and them believing it, (which he does constantly) evokes feelings that are almost uncontrollable. especially combined with the dreaded 'mental illness' label which is so powerful to discount and disqualify someones entire reality....... its very frightening.. to me anyway........

its terrifying, and its infuriating. maybe you didnt feel as powerless as an adult having her lie about you, maybe you did..... i know when i was a kid, i felt very very powerless about it. and i hated it. even now as an adult, it makes me very very uncomfortable.

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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #6 on: July 14, 2005, 06:42:33 AM »
My mother accused me  when I was 11 years old of buying, on credit, an item less that $10.00.  I never did it.  However, my father after listening to my mother's account, dragged me down to the store to apologize.  My mother did this because she couldn't stop spending money that we did not have.  The legacy of this is that I am painfully honest.  I always have to need proof of what I have done.  I always suspect that people think I am not honest.  I also wish my mother had never been born but I am glad I am here....Catch 22?????  It's time to break the cycle and I am doing it.  :)

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« Reply #7 on: July 14, 2005, 07:54:21 AM »
My ex and I were in court on Monday. He is taking me to court for more contact with our son (8 weeks old now) and to change our son's surname from mine to my ex's. He has told many lies about me, the weirdest one that he told my solicitor was that I am going to get married again and get my new husband to adopt my son and rename him by my new husbands name. The weird thing about that? .... I don't have a boyfriend and have not even got any male friends! The thing that scares me about the way these people lie is that they start to believe it. After a while, my ex is no longer lying - he is quoting what he now sees as Gospel truth. That is what is so weird. I think he could take a lie detector test and pass it now because he honestly believes his own bullsh*t.Scary.

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« Reply #8 on: July 14, 2005, 08:09:23 AM »
dear the truth is in me

yes, your N sounds similar to my evil one.


When I was growing up she'd say these lies.  Don't know where she got this stuff from or why she said it...it beats me how she could be so evil to her own little daughter.


"No one will believe anything you ever say again"

"You're mad!"

"You've got a vivid imagination"

"you tell lies"


You see I had a habit of saying the truth and could see through her lies.... and she accused me of all this.  She's a B****.


lol

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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2005, 08:33:03 AM »
My abuser told several lies about me that were believed by family, friends and even the authorities.  My child was taken away from me as a result.

I still feel the agony of that experience and more than rage....deep despair.  This person is so convincing....lies so much and believes it all.

It's hard to write this. :cry:

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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2005, 10:55:19 AM »
Sela,

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My abuser told several lies about me that were believed by family, friends and even the authorities.  My child was taken away from me as a result.

I'm so sorry this happened to you.  How old was your child at the time?  How long were you separated?  (Only if you want to talk about it)  This is so evil that it is beyond my belief. 

It is amazing to me how these people can lie with such conviction and ease and with such total disregard for how it will affect others.

((((((Sela))))))))))

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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2005, 01:58:17 PM »


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My abuser told several lies about me that were believed by family, friends and even the authorities.  My child was taken away from me as a result.


oh sela...... i know you used to be gfn correct? i did not know this had also happened to you...!!! im so sorry. :( :( :(  i do hope you did get your child back??..... you know they told everyone horrible lies about my parenting. it was horribly insulting and painful.  there are few things worse to be accused of in this society than being an incompetent or uncaring mother. so sorry :(
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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2005, 03:09:00 PM »
What damage our Ns pathological lying and confabulation causes us!!! I totally relate. I'm bipolar and see a shrink, take meds and have been hospitalized for both depression and mania. The biggest hook for me with my ex N was the fact he told me early on" I have depression, I take meds, I know how it scews up jobs, marriages, friends etc". He knew I've always had a hard time finding a decent man who not only understands- or is willing to go down that road-, respects and is capable of giving me the support I need. He had absolutely no problems with any of it. Right!!! All he did was use any of my intimate disclosures as wespons against me. He';s told most of my friends- including new ones- I'm completely psychotic...ALL my friends and family agree and think I should be hospitalized..clearly only a crazy person would "accuse" him of lying, stealing, having other women, spending all day with satisfying his sex addiction, ripping me of financially etc etc. He treated me like shit as soon as I started to get depressed- " get your shit together...what about me in this relationship..don't you have any idea how unfair this is to me?". I had a toxic reaction to one of my meds and was in and out of hospital for 2 weeks and lost 20 lbs- I'm thin on a good day! He looked at me with open disgust and told me I had the sex appeal of a 10 year old boy and he couldn't even think about touching me until I gained weight. All of a sudden I was even farther removed from his perferred porn gals with large breasts- how dare I do that to him eh?! I was desperate one day for some Gravol and had none and couldn't walk to the drug store. He had an appt.- allegedly- with his shrink- a 45 minute comute max. one way. He promised he'd come right home with the Gravol. He called me 2 hours after the alleged appt. and told me the ferry was late. I didn't hear from him or see him till he sailed in 4 hours later- without the Gravol of course. His lies about what had happened to him were unbelievable and easily proved as lies- can't win that game with ns!. What he was really doing was psending 5-6 hours out of the house doing his sex addiction thing. How inconsiderate of me for being sick and didn't I realize he needed time out as a reward for having been stuck with me 24/7 while I was sick? He absolutely delighted in driving me crazy. I had to kick him out onto the street- poor baby- without a place to go, no money or food. My shrink was so worried I was heading into a major depression where I likely would have ended up in hospital. Growing up my N mother used to call behaviour related to my biplor illness- undiagnosed at the time- shit disturbing and I was physcially punished every time- for isolating, not eating and losing weight, skipping school and going from A's to failing, crying all the tiem, talking about dying, getting energized, not concentrating, being a huge and dangerous risk taker etc etc. Ns relish the crazy making and even if you're the most well adjusted person before you get i nvolved with Ns, they will make you crazy- guarantee. Gut wrenching to read other's stories and the pain and damage caused. Healing and strength to all!!
I've just ended abusive relationship of 1 yr. with male narcissist. I cycle between stages of anger and grieving and have accepted it. Hope I've alienated him so he won't recontact me- is this possible?     Moira

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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2005, 06:59:10 PM »
Thankyou Brigid for your kind words.  My child was 10 and she told lies too because she "wanted to try living with her dad to see what it was like".  She said some very disturbing things around that time.  That was 3 years ago and I gave custody to her father because I was afraid she would be put in a foster home (which was being threatened) and because I decided it was better than having custody taken away from me.  She was diagnosed a year before that with a mental disorder and I was terrified that no one but her own parents would have the patience needed to raise her.  She has since "changed her mind" about a lot of things, one being telling lies.  I'm very glad of that.  She still lives with her dad but we visit often so that's another good thing.

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...how these people can lie with such conviction and ease and with such total disregard for how it will affect others.

The person who did this... did it with the intention of destroying my life, as it was, and succeeded quite nicely.  You are right though...it is evil beyond belief the way it all went down.  It's actually easy to do, if you have good acting skills and a mouth the size of lake Ontario.

Thankyou too Anna.  Yes I was GFN.  I was made out to be  horrible parent but lucky for me, I am meticulous about keeping records and because of my child's diagnosis, the previous year, I had been doing that and was able to prove some stuff false because I had made notes on certain dates in detail.  I think that helped and it was just a fluke because normally I don't keep records of what goes on in my home.  No one, except myself and the psychiatrist knew of her diagnosis because I didn't want her labelled and I was hopeful that by doing some behavioural stuff and therapy, she would improve.  Instead, she rebelled against the whole shameal and decided it would be better living with her dad.  But the adult involved...took the opportunity to embelish, add lies, and spread all kinds of stuff about me to my family, ex-family, some friends and ofcourse, last but not least, the authorities.
They tried to disprove my child's diagnosis too, which backfired because the doc they hired, who had no knowledge of the previous one's opinion, came up with the same diagnosis.

The good thing is....the relationship I have with my child now is still very close and possibly closer than before all of this.  My abuser was unable to turn my child against me, even though she was regularly told she "should hate" me.   The attempts to discredit me continue, none the less.  And my daughter suffers as a result.

I've said some things against my ex-husband, on this board, but I have to also say that he has stood by me through out this and I would never have dreamed he would.  He called right away and said:  "I'm so sorry this has happened and I will do anything I can to help you", which was just about the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me.  He has his faults but he can tell the difference between the truth and bs and we did spend 17 years together, so he knows me well.  He also knows my abuser well.  It was another thing, no one anticipated, that we would fight these accusations as a team (imagine two divorced people doing that?).  We went to a different court, before this case of false accusations was heard, and changed custody, on our own.  There was nothing they could do about it.  There were no allegations against him.  I think we ticked some of the people in the "system" off by doing that.  Toooooooooo bad.

I feel ashamed even though I know I didn't do those things that were said.  I think that some people did believe it.  I ended relationships with a whole group of people, who I was friends with, because my abuser had infiltrated the group and was now a part of it (still is).

One of my closest friends, who was my maid of honour, at my wedding, passed away shortly after this began.  I went to her funeral and sat in the back by myself, while my abuser was planted in the center of the group of my ex-friends.  Afterward, some of them chased me down as I tried to make a quick exit and I couldn't even talk.  I was polite but I left as quickly as I could.  I don't want to go to any more of my ex-friends funerals, if I can't go to their lives, and I don't want to go to their lives because my abuser is there, continuing to spread crap, and I feel ashamed of the whole mess.  I will never know who believes what and who wants to know what for whom, or who will turn against me.

In a way, I have lost trust in a great many things, including friendship but then I tell myself...I have only lost trust in those particular friendships and certain things.  I also told myself that anyone who was my friend would stand beside me 100% and support me and anyone who didn't, I didn't need in my life....anyway.  I found out exactly who those supportive people are and there aren't many of them.  Another loss/lesson I learned but at least I know who I can trust now.

To use Moira's words:  the thing is "gut wrenching".  That about says it.  I feel sick thinking about it all and I know what people mean when they say they relive stuff because I relive it and relive it and relive it and haven't stopped doing that yet.  Soon I will though.  Sooon!!

Sela

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Re: Nervous Breakdown
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2005, 07:12:27 PM »
Sorry for highjacking your thread Zeene.

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