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ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« on: July 10, 2005, 02:29:07 AM »
I thought I would introduce myself. This will most likely be a long read. :)

I found this board and Dr. Grossman's web site through doing a search for narcissistic in Google. At the suggestion of my therapist, I've begun to explore the reality that both my parents (and likely my oldest brother) are Narcissistic. I have yet to read any books on the subject but plan to order several of the recommended titles. Three of them, just their titles, really hit home with me. Longing For Dad, Father Loss & Its Impact, Trapped in the Mirror and Children of the Self-Absorbed.

The voicelessness.com web site has been the biggest eye-opener for me. Just the word, voicelessness, triggers deep pain within me. Almost every article made me cry and touched the depth of my soul where unspeakable pain has remained hidden for so many years. I was especially touched by the article titled, “Dreams, Imagined Dreams - Failed Therapy.” Seventeen years ago, early in my healing, I had a horrible experience of failed therapy. The effects of it still go on today. That failed therapy set me back more than 4 years. It also nearly destroyed my marriage.

All three people-brother, mother and father-were my emotional and mental torturers. I was their scapegoat. This began at an early age, with my Nmother & Nfather, around 18 months old, and with my brother by age 9. My Nparents torture included sexual abuse through defining me as something I was not.

I am still uncovering the true story of why the emotional and mental torture began. The catalyst is multi-faceted.  The first catalyst: I have suspected from an early age that my father is not my biological father. Whenever I asked my Nmother about this, saying "how come I don't look like anyone in my family?", I was told I look like her. The unsaid part was "shut up and don’t cause problems." However I didn't shut up. I continued to ask the question every couple of years. The response was always the same and my Nmother got more and more angry with my insistence. I did finally stop when I reached my adulthood yet I never stopped wondering about the truth.

There are many genetic markers which my father does NOT have and I do and vice versa. One web site says that I must be adopted if he doesn’t have them. Or the other option is, he’s not my father. All three of my brothers have characteristics of both my parents but I do not. I have characteristics like my mother and ???  I noticed this from about 9 years old. Also there is a condition which is hereditary and all my brothers and father have it. I don’t. I was tested for the marker in 2000. My doctor, a Rheumatologist, was shocked when the test results came back. He even had the test repeated because my entire family [except mother] has this condition and tested positive for it. The only reason I got the test is because I had similar symptoms to my brothers and father and assumed I must have the same condition. I was equally shocked with the test results. I do believe that doctor didn’t know how to handle the situation. He did say it was odd that I didn’t test positive even though the condition is more prevalent in males than females. He commented on the fact that my all brothers and father have it and tested positive. And that it is unusual that I didn’t. He said it would be very rare. And my father has the full blown condition unlike my brothers who have an aspect [at least at this point in time]. More symptoms show up later in life as they did for my father.

The second catalyst explains my user name: ITexperiment.  I was literally used in an experiment to create a gay boy from a girl. Or as I call say, an IT. I am writing a book series about my life where this is explained in detail. It is a long, long story - 4 books long. I call the experiment the ITexperiment because that is what I became to the men who used and abused me and to my Nmother,  Nfather and Nbrother. My main perpetrator was my biological father. My book series are about that sadistic relationship with him and how he has remained entrapped within me.  And the book series is about how I healed from the ITexperiment and became myself.

To survive what happened to me I created an elaborate inner world of people and places. In this elaborate inner world is also the truth about what happened to me. My books are based on and about this elaborate inner world. And I believe that when I finish the book series I will have dismantled this inner world. I will no longer need it to survive because I will be living!  :D

My inner world was the only safe place I had to live as a child. It was my sanity.

Two other catalysts were of course my Nparents. Both came from Nfamilies. My mother’s was destructive too. She had the opportunity to go to therapy, went to the first appointment, was asked about her childhood, promptly got up from her chair and walked out of the psychiatrist’s office. She thought she was being so brave and courageous!

All my brothers and I were lied to about my mother’s family background. We were lied to about who our cousins, uncles, aunts, and grandparents were to cover the truth of what really happened. My mother altered the lies when it served her purpose.

When I began my healing process I sent away for the truth-newspaper articles about what really happened in my mother’s family. No one in my family knows I have this information.  The reason is I’ve been labeled as the “nut case” in our family. I contend that our family was dysfunctional and my brothers say it was more functional than all the other families we knew as children.

I’ve always felt crazy, confused and ostracized in my family. No one else was treated like me so they wouldn’t think our family was dysfunctional.

When I began my healing journey, I stopped seeing my family from 1988 to 1998. My Nmother didn’t want me in therapy because I might “talk.” I tried to see my great aunt [who was always referred to as my aunt] when I first got into therapy. My Nmother put a stop to that by telling me she would be there too. In other words, “shut up.” I reconnected with my family again towards the end of 1998. By that time I thought I would not get drawn into my Nmother’s behavior and control but I was wrong. Any time I bring something up to ask her about she comes back with “Have you ever been tested for Bi-Polar?” or “Maybe you should see a psychiatrist. Your therapist must not know what he’s doing.” I understand full well the inference-“you’re crazy. Shut up and we’ll have you shut up.” Or if she doesn’t want to talk about something she’ll change the subject to avoid answering me and act like I never asked her anything.

Recently after reading a couple of books on controlling parents I’ve decided that my Nparents and Nbrother are never going to tell the truth. It’s a hopeless cause.

My focus is number one:  writing my book series and getting it published. This is a great deal of my healing and therapy because I very blatantly “tell it like it was and is.” The names of the perpetrators and the incidents have been changed to protect the guilty and the innocent. ;)

Number two focus: reading and healing and reading and healing, etc. and then embracing the new me.


Well this is the short version of my story. Glad I found the web site and this forum. Thank you for reading.
The truth is in me.[/color]

I'm Sallying Forth on a new adventure! :D :D :D

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2005, 08:21:04 AM »
What I picked up on in your post was that "you may talk".  When this lesson is ingrained on you at an early age, I, at least, thought it meant that I was stupid and didn't know what to think...That my description of what was going on was faulty.  And so for many years I could not trust my own perceptions of what was going on. 

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2005, 09:29:24 AM »
ITexperiment,
Welcome to this board.  I am very sorry for the tortuous childhood you were forced to endure.  I never ceased to be amazed at what cruelty children can be exposed to at the hands of the people who are suppose to love and care for them the most.

I'm glad you are finding a path to healing.  Therapy has been such a blessing for me and guided me toward the light at the end of the tunnel.  I wish you well as you continue on your journey.

God bless,

Brigid

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2005, 09:50:18 AM »
Welcome, ITexperiment. Your story was extremely moving and tragic. Your mother sounds like a psychopath, and it's amazing that you are still here to tell the tale. I'm SO GLAD!!!! I sure hope you get your book series published. Glad you found the group.

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2005, 10:16:07 AM »
ITE


Welcome to the board.
I found this board the same way as you looking for answers to questions on the strange behavior of the N.
I have found many here are so encouraged to help.
We all have  difficult people in our life and some of the stories are like they already know just what your going through.  

I'm not clear on the experimenting subject you speak of,  it sounds like a scary Natsi movie.
I knew a guy who excaped from the Natsi war on a small boat when he was 9 yrs old. His father was forced to experiment on children, his own son had been part of some eye experiments before his small boat was found by some fisherman.  

You must feel all alone sometimes wanting to scream out the truth.
I would wonder writing a book could bring back the pain of what happened to you, I'm praying you have the strength to press hard through the pain to continue in a truthful writing.
OH.. what would the family say ? I do believe a book could be healing to you and others who read it.

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Shut up and we’ll have you shut up

Don't shut up,  make the pain into something good so you can realize the pain had a good purpose not the bad thing they did to you.  Amen!


Keep strong..............OR

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #5 on: July 10, 2005, 10:18:33 AM »
OOPS! above that  was me OR not IT

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« Reply #6 on: July 10, 2005, 11:53:09 AM »
Welcome IT....

I am curious as to what the dynamics are for ITexperiment.  If I may ask, could you enlighten me, its drove me nuts trying to figure it out.  :shock: :wink:

Fool me once, shame on you.  Fool me twice, shame on me!

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #7 on: July 10, 2005, 04:23:58 PM »
Welcome IT....

I am curious as to what the dynamics are for ITexperiment.  If I may ask, could you enlighten me, its drove me nuts trying to figure it out.  :shock: :wink:

Hello Jaded911,
I'm not sure I understand your question. Dynamics?
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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #8 on: July 10, 2005, 04:48:32 PM »
ITE

I'm not clear on the experimenting subject you speak of,  it sounds like a scary Natsi movie.
I knew a guy who excaped from the Natsi war on a small boat when he was 9 yrs old. His father was forced to experiment on children, his own son had been part of some eye experiments before his small boat was found by some fisherman.  

You must feel all alone sometimes wanting to scream out the truth.
I would wonder writing a book could bring back the pain of what happened to you, I'm praying you have the strength to press hard through the pain to continue in a truthful writing.
OH.. what would the family say ? I do believe a book could be healing to you and others who read it.

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Shut up and we’ll have you shut up

Don't shut up,  make the pain into something good so you can realize the pain had a good purpose not the bad thing they did to you.  Amen!

Keep strong..............OR

Hello OR,
It was Natzi/govern./medical/military experiments.

My books actually help me. For the first time in my life I am saying exactly what happened to me AND no one is around to say, "Shut up. Don't talk. Zip it. Or we'll put you away forever." I have full license to speak the horrors of my childhood without censorship.

About 8 years ago I found a small group of people who had suffered similar attrocities and joined an email support group. [There are about 2000 + people who have been used in experiments.] I shared what happened to me BUT I felt censored. There was only so much I could say because people would get triggered. So I started my own support group where anyone could share anything they wanted to. For me that was finally the beginning of freedom to share my truth. Yet it was only half the story.

I've always kept a journal or diary and wanted to write a book. One day in 2002 sitting in church I decided to let go of the only thing holding me back from that-wanting to play my flute in church. It was clear I couldn't do both because of the commitment required to write. I let go of the one and the other began to be the focus of my healing and life. In 2001 I had a prophetic dream about writing. Although I didn't know it was about writing, I do now know. Part of the dream was about being given this huge book and knowing how to read between the lines. Hm, that's exactly what is happening right now through my writing.

It is a catharsis and a healing to express myself without censorship, without limits and to finally speak the truth.
The truth is in me.[/color]

I'm Sallying Forth on a new adventure! :D :D :D

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #9 on: July 10, 2005, 05:10:42 PM »
What I picked up on in your post was that "you may talk".  When this lesson is ingrained on you at an early age, I, at least, thought it meant that I was stupid and didn't know what to think...That my description of what was going on was faulty.  And so for many years I could not trust my own perceptions of what was going on. 

Yes, dogbit, I may talk and no one can stop me.

With this type of abuse there are great measures taken to "shut up" the survivor through intimidation, further abuse, torture, etc. It was all done to me for years even as an adult there were/are subtle threats sent through birthday cards and holiday greetings. They no longer have an effect on me.

The most difficult perception for me to trust is about my biological father. However in therapy this last session every time I mentioned that I always knew my Nfather wasn't my biological father, I got heart palpitations. I wanted to run out of that office and never come back. This truth has been the hardest to accept but the most life changing. I left his office and felt more free than I ever felt in my entire life.

"You shall know the truth, and the truth shall set you free!  :D
The truth is in me.[/color]

I'm Sallying Forth on a new adventure! :D :D :D

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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #10 on: July 10, 2005, 07:26:28 PM »
Welcome, ITexperiment. Your story was extremely moving and tragic. Your mother sounds like a psychopath, and it's amazing that you are still here to tell the tale. I'm SO GLAD!!!! I sure hope you get your book series published. Glad you found the group.

bunny

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Thank you!

The only way I survived and kept sane was my highly developed inner world. I'm an introvert so it wasn't difficult to go within and play in my mind.
The truth is in me.[/color]

I'm Sallying Forth on a new adventure! :D :D :D

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« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2005, 08:14:28 PM »
IT, Were you in this county when this happend? The other 2000 people you talk about were these people from this country? Has this thing that happend to you ever been investigated by the media?


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Do you want your book to motivate others to be triggered and speak out?

I wish you peace about your life IT.


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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2005, 09:58:38 PM »
IT, Were you in this country when this happend? The other 2000 people you talk about were these people from this country? Has this thing that happend to you ever been investigated by the media?

Hello OR,
This happened in the good ol' us of a for the most part! I have to say most part because I was taken to foreign countries quite often.

A handful of survivors are from Canada and rest from the US.

Some of this stuff has been investigated and actual lawsuits won in Canada. The rest of these people are VERY protected by the government. My purpose for writing is to tell my story NOT expose the people who did these things to me.

I haven't met someone yet who was experimented on like I was. Which is not to say I wont meet that person through publishing my books. Different things were done to different people for different purposes. Although some things which were done to me appeared to be a random act they were highly calculated and planned.

One I can think of which I re-remembered recently-my father referring to me as "son" when I'd ask him a question. My parents played as big a role in the govern.'s torturous game as did the govern. I got it from all fronts at once. Never a safe place.

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because people would get triggered

Do you want your book to motivate others to be triggered and speak out?

I wish you peace about your life IT.
OR

I don't know. That's something to think about.

Mostly it is written for myself as a gigantic catharsis. It is/will be very revealing about me, inside, and how I survived what happened to me and then how I healed.
The truth is in me.[/color]

I'm Sallying Forth on a new adventure! :D :D :D

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« Reply #13 on: July 11, 2005, 08:55:09 AM »
Hi ITexperiment:

Welcome.

I'm so sorry for all you have suffered and very glad you are here posting.  Good for you for writing your books and getting your story out.  Who knows what good that will instigate?  It's wonderful that you find it a purging excercise.

If you don't mind answering, when will they be published?  If not, no worries.

 :D Sela


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Re: ITexperiment: Why the name, intro
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2005, 03:55:39 AM »
Hi ITexperiment:

Welcome.

If you don't mind answering, when will they be published?  If not, no worries.

 :D Sela 

Thanks for the welcome Sela!  :D

Well I'm in the draft stage. I've finished the first drafts of three books. The fourth book is about 1/8 through on its first draft. I'm a prolific and fast writer; averaging 5,000 words a day. I had a very productive week just before the 4 of July, writing twelve, 12 to 16 page chapters in a week. That's a record for me. :D  :o

After the last book is finished [end of summer] then I'll do the rewriting. So I would say a year to publish the first book with the others coming close behind it.
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