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seasons

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Starting new is easier for us, but the kids?
« on: November 25, 2005, 02:16:12 PM »
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Re: Starting new is easier for us, but the kids?
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2005, 02:28:24 PM »
Oh that's hard.
I wonder if you could fling yourselves, as a familly, into some form of service for Christmas Day?
Like all working in a soup kitchen together, serving the hungry, visiting kids in the hospital with sacks of little toys and treats. You, hubby, and your daughter could all wear Santa hats and have a day just filled with joy. Come home worn out with love and good feelings from having spent the time focused outward that way.

She is sweet, and kind, your child. I bet a day like that would be so meaningful and memorable for her it might really just shove out any concern about family parties.

I think an almost-insane focus on BIOfamily attachments and traditions can cut us off so much from the human family...and directing her attention, with your company, to OTHER people who aren't having the Norman Rockwell Christmas either...could really be a huge gift to her.

What do you think?
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Re: Starting new is easier for us, but the kids?
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2005, 02:44:54 PM »
Hello Seasons,

I wrote all this during Hoppy's reply.  Great ideas Hoppy!

I feel for you.  This all becomes very tangled up very quickly.  

I don't know if I have answers for you but I can share some of what we talked about with our own kids.

1. The pathological psycho.  We sat our kids down and very calmly explained that Aunt Evil had a very hard life and this affects how she treats other people.  We hope that she can see her way through but in the mean time it is our job (H and I as parents) to protect our children from mistreatment.  We then gave specific examples along with how we felt about that.  We made the point over and over that it is never OK for ANYONE to treat another X way (fill in your own example of over the top abuse), not even a family member.  We also illustrated some situations that our PathPsycho would create and pull them into, and then completed the picture of what would happen if H and I didn't intervene.  Eg. Our six year old was put "in charge" of their extremely destructive toddler.  Toddler was about to throw a china plate on the ground and six year old would not be able to stop that...this really happened and I pointed it out to my brother who simply said "Oh?!  Thanks!"  I asked my kids, now, whose fault would it be for the broken plate?  Their eyes just popped open.  I said, you would feel like it was your fault because you were "in charge" but really, who was the adult making the decision to put you in charge?  Aunt Evil.
How did you feel when toddler kept hitting you and Aunt Evil was the adult in the room and she did nothing to stop it?  They said, yeah, that was weird.

2. Just this year another relative was coming to town because her d had a competition in our part of the country.  This was the only reason money was spent.  This relative is very selfish and always puts her kids on "show" for the rest of us and ignores whatever is going on in the rest of the family.  We are her audience.  We had run the "I'm in town" gauntlet with her before.  This means becoming an accessory for her to show off to her local friends, standing there like a lamp while she talks to the friends whose kids also travelled to this event, whom she sees all the time at home, and having her d blow off our kids as complete irrelevant nuisances.  One of my kids really wanted to see them, and I told her all of the above and that we just didn't have time.  I felt a little guilty for her sake but wasn't going to inconvenience myself for several hours to get...nothing.

3. Same family as #2.  We would have extended family get together for vacation.  Total disaster due to competition between cousins and no refereeing from above relative and her H.  Her H is the epitome of the absentee father.  He will not engage in any interaction.  Totally hands off as far as the kids are concerned.  His son drills a football into my d's face.  His son slams a chair leg down into another kids foot.  All of these cousins act out their anger at their mother on my kids.  Verbally abusive, etc.  Not my idea of vacation.  So we just don't do it anymore.  Again, we explained this to our kids.  We do still get together, but with much less exposure time.

If you are looking for a legitimate way out of christmas, you could plan a trip to some special place.  Some special experience that also counts as a gift to your kids.  It may be too late for this year, but how about next year?  Knowing that might enable you to tough it through this year.  How about you use this year as a learning experience for your kids.  Say, OK, I know family is precious, but here are the problems we have with it.  Make your own observations of the good and the bad.  Maybe give your kids a chance to turn your motivations around?  So if you have to go, you are doing it for your kids?  And vice versa, they might realize, hmm, maybe mom and dad are right.  Your kids might agree also if you have a worthy fun alternative.  

Another idea.  If your d is attached to one cousin in particular and the feeling is mutual, can they come over by themselves for a special visit?  They might love to get away from the Ns in their family too.  :)

Your daughter has love in her heart and wants to give it to her family, whether they deserve it, appreciate it or not.  So kudos to you for wanting to respect that and give it some consideration.  

Hope this helps a little bit.  Hugs, MP

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Re: Starting new is easier for us, but the kids?
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2005, 04:16:44 PM »
Hi seasons,

If your families are too screwy to be around then maybe you could start making your own traditions.
Go someplace special or begin a routine that just you and your husband do with the kids.

I wouldn't worry about your kids. They will figure out why you kept them away from their nutty relatives as they get older and see them for what they are.

Just make sure you do what's best for your family and not what the whackos try to shame you into doing.

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Re: Starting new is easier for us, but the kids?
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2005, 06:01:59 PM »
Oh, Seasons, I feel for you...and I feel the same quandry.  My kids have visions of hanging out at the aunt and uncle's house...the same aunt (my SIL) who is still stewing about my wedding not going exactly according to HER plans...geeez.
My brother is a bunch of laughs and when SIL is not pissed about something...she is drinking (I guess that's pissed in GB, right?)
and although my kids see that (and my daughter makes some jokes about it) they still want to be "around" extended family, and especially that brother, because he is great and one of his kids is still in college, so still around.

 I tell the kids that when we move to that area next year...OUR house will be the one everyone will come to hang out in....(and we won't be drunk and or angry). But for these holidays, we are traveling back there....and my husband and my sister and my other brother are going to keep us all very occupied and busy so my sweet kids don't notice the lack of "hangin" with SIL/meanie.  No, my kids don't know she just slighted my husband...nor do they know a lot of other not great things.  As they get older they can sort that out for themselves, I guess. I just don't see how helpful it will be to make them all paranoid about what is essentially between "adults"  :lol:.

I say, let them have their fantasy and then distract them.