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Hopalong

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Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« on: March 20, 2006, 11:39:56 PM »
see www.salon.com
(click at upper left to watch brief commercial, then you get your site pass by clicikng Enter Salon)
scroll down to Since You Asked, by Cary Tennis...you'll see which letter it is. Read the Letters in Response too, it's nice.

Let me know what you think, anybody...
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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #1 on: March 21, 2006, 07:15:32 AM »
Hiya Hops, somehow I got in, without watching the ad (because the ad wouldn’t load for me) but hey-ho, I’m happy!

I’ll quote some. I like this:

There is of course a name for the kind of adult behavior we are talking about -- narcissism. But I prefer to think of it in a more literal and vivid way, as the phenomenon of a child wearing an adult suit. It is more graphic and strange that way. Also it is easier to think of ways to deal with a narcissist if we think of the narcissist as a child. For instance, do you not occasionally lose your patience with a child? Do you live in fear of saying something that the child will not like? No, I do not think so. You accept that there is much that the child will not like but which is necessary. Do not children sometimes throw tantrums and pout for days?

…really hammering home that idea that here before me stands a five-year-old so why should I expect her to behave like an adult?

And:

But for a parent to seriously compete with her own daughter ... why would she do that? Unless she were still in some sense trying to become an adult by competition and imitation. That is another way in which viewing your mother's behavior as the struggles of a child may be instructive.

Yes I like this. And these days my mother has commented to me several times about how I seem like the adult and she’s still a child; about how she’s never even felt like a mother :shock:, but more like a child (yes, really) (((((Nmum)))))…and sometimes she’s tries to understand me….and then she reflects on herself (compares) and up go those building bricks, stuffing up the holes in the edifice.

I don’t know. It’s difficult for me not to have hope for something sometimes, but then I give myself a good talking to, and look at the reality: which is that although a five year old can learn skills, they don’t actually understand, the logic circuits aren’t in place. So it becomes copying behaviour. I think.

I don’t think narcissists need vilifying – I think we need more general understanding that we have adult children amongst us who will never grow up. Some are dangerous, some aren’t. Like us, they’re all different people.

I’ll defend narcissists I guess. There are worse things in the world and not every bad thing is a result of narcissism.   

Hopalong

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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2006, 07:26:39 AM »
Portia, oh yes:
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difficult for me not to have hope for something sometimes

The thing is...a five year old is a container of possibility. They change before your eyes.
The Ns just repeat (copy, as you say). In fact, there's repetition compulsion built into Nism, I'd swear

Oh-kaaaaay, off to work. I start Tuesdays with a meeting with my boss. Maybe not my boss for long!

Have a good day everybody.
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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2006, 08:14:15 AM »
Hiya ((((((((((((Hops))))))))))))) & ((((((((((((((((Portia))))))))))))))))

I found this really interesting…. Thanks for sharing.  There was one bit from one of the letters which leaped out at me and it was this:-

She has few feelings that she can really draw on, the rest is mostly just for looks. Sounds harsh, but that was what I needed to realize so that I did not have to be needing from her what she cannot give.

This kind of brings home that N’s are like…. An empty shell inside.

It’s sad.

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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2006, 04:45:02 PM »
It was interesting to read the different perspectives of people who didn't seem to think this woman's mother was a narcissist.  The cultural interpretations seemed like good possibilities as well.  I'd like to think that even if the mother is N, it's possible for her to improve if the daughter starts to stand up for herself.  I'm not sure I liked the one idea of the daughter just embracing the parent role.  She probably has already taken on somewhat of a parent perspective as it is.  That's no good, imo.

Probably a good thing mom is halfway around the world most of the time!   :D

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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2006, 08:15:47 PM »
Yes, I think there was a lot of cultural stuff too.
Mothers have an amazingly aggressive power in some cultures, that looks a whole lot like N-ish "entitlement"--but maybe it's a different kind of animal I don't quite get because I'm Western.

I love the Cary Tennis column as much for the letters as his writing. It's kind of forum-ish.

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moonlight52

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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2006, 07:08:02 PM »
Hi Hops I love the New Yorker  !   I have a dear friend and he is a poet in San Francisco,he  has a chance to be published in the new yorker magazine.
The history of the New Yorker is interesting . Dottie Parker and Harold Ross and the ALGONQUIN TABLE.

DOTTIE PARKER  quote "you can't teach an old dogma new tricks" .and all the others.

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Hopalong

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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2006, 01:08:07 AM »
Dottie Parker was amazing, Moon!
(boy what a brain you have...)

 :) Hops
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Re: Cary finally wrote about Nism!
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2006, 12:01:36 PM »
Hi Everyone   I was looking over some Dottie Parker quotes and here are some :"My train of thought just left the station"and Dottie sent a telegram to a friend who just had a baby
"We knew you you had it in you".And "Trapped like a trap in a trap".
MRS. PARKER was a mixture of laughter and sadness as we all are.
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